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Chief Savage Man

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BobSmith101 wrote...

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Chief Savage Man wrote...

dw99027 wrote...

A 'Reapers win' ending would fit the tone they seem to have gone for, so it not being implemented further strengthens the theory that they're planning something set in the future.


dude i'm telling you, they should get obsidian to do a mass effect game

obsidian made an excellent fallout game, the mass effect universe will really benefit from their excellent story-telling skills


Obsidian??
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Oh God, please no :crying:


Serious question. What do you have against Obsidian ? 

If it's bugs/KOTOR2' being half finished totally get that (not 100% their fault though , the planned ending would have made the downer of ME3 look like sunshine and flowers).

Obsidians FO was so much more involving than FO3 as an RPG it's worth giving them the benifit of the doubt , even if you approach with caution.


Seriously man, try out Alpha Protocol. If you can look past the issues it has (because Sega pulled out the carpet from under them), it is an incredibly engaging story with great characters. Even the romances are tasteful and understated instead of this 'OH MAN MY HERO CAN DICK EVERYTHING IN SIGHT' clownery that Bioware has been pushing as of late.

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Bioware should have asked their fans and the people on this website how they think the game should end. Look at what Paradox does. They ask their players what they want to play and it all works out great. No flame wars, hardly any trolling and things like what's happening right now doesn't happen. Why? Because they give their players what they want not what some corporation that's only out for money wants. That's the disconnect and that's why people are pissed off.

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Tesclo wrote...
So in a thread talking about how bad Mass Effect's ending is going to be, you come along and ask for Obsidian (the company that left kotor 2 without an ending at all) to make the next Mass Effect? Did I get that right?


They were not 100% to blame for that. But I totally get where you are coming from.

AP's endings were great , FO:NV's endings were great and even DS3 which was a hack and slash had great endings based on your actions.

I'd say they have more than proved they are capable of crafting endings,and it's probably time to let the whole KOTOR2 thing go.

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i have the most briliant or idiotic idea ever. regardless of the events in me3 if a future mass effect game that is set after the events of me3 and the galaxy has rebuildt itself.

you culd have made a new character or if you romanced liara and she survived and she had a shepard kid you culd choose her as your character and voiced by jenifar hale XD
since asari live a long time and the time it takes for rebuilding takes probably a long time

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ratzerman wrote...

The question now changes from if to why.

Why end the series on such an arbitrarily cruel note?


Need a setting for the MMO, each expansion will be about a new Mass Relay being built.

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Tesclo wrote...

Bioware should have asked their fans and the people on this website how they think the game should end. Look at what Paradox does. They ask their players what they want to play and it all works out great. No flame wars, hardly any trolling and things like what's happening right now doesn't happen. Why? Because they give their players what they want not what some corporation that's only out for money wants. That's the disconnect and that's why people are pissed off.


if you asked the Paradox forums how ME3 should end, it would involve serbia being the capital of the universe and serbian spaceships conquering the bosnian aliens probably

but yeah theres a disconnect with the fanbase bigtime here

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DiegoProgMetal wrote...

Boa Rage, eu já tava cansado desse palhacinhos que provavelmente não tem nem 20 anos ainda nos chamando de "teenagers" só porque nós queríamos um final que valesse a pena jogar de novo.


What you said in Portuguese is so important that I'm translating that. It is also what I've been asking for:

An ending that makes the game worthy replaying it.

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To be fair, Obsidian are very talented but that KOTOR 2 thing is hard to shake off your back... ratzerman, just read a few pages of this thread and others... there are many obvious reasons why that could be, although it's all supposition.

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i think the previus endings are so good and happy that i have a savegame before each one so i can play it just for fun. chanses are i wont be doing it with this game

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Fafner_Ni wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

The question now changes from if to why.

Why end the series on such an arbitrarily cruel note?


Need a setting for the MMO, each expansion will be about a new Mass Relay being built.


Another series ruined by an unecessary mmo?
please, god, no :(

Oh well, CDProjekt, you'll never kickme in the teeth, will you?

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I wanted a 'Reapers win' ending. I'm not getting that unfortunately.


yeah I want one reapers winning ending as well. and Spore DLC :D



That would be great idea 1 ending reapers wins 1 ending Shepard survived and get his girl Normandy and the crew also survived 1 Shepard dies but Normandy and the crew survived 1 Shepard and everyone from Normandy dying 1 Shepard and part from his crew survived

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dw99027 wrote...

To be fair, Obsidian are very talented but that KOTOR 2 thing is hard to shake off your back... ratzerman, just read a few pages of this thread and others... there are many obvious reasons why that could be, although it's all supposition.


on the other hand it was 8 years ago.

I get that Bioware fans would have strong feelings about KOTOR 2 since it was a sequel to many bioware people's favorite game, but you have to look at their recent efforts to judge them properly.

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DragonRageGT wrote...

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

Boa Rage, eu já tava cansado desse palhacinhos que provavelmente não tem nem 20 anos ainda nos chamando de "teenagers" só porque nós queríamos um final que valesse a pena jogar de novo.


What you said in Portuguese is so important that I'm translating that. It is also what I've been asking for:

An ending that makes the game worthy replaying it.



If they cornhole modding the way it looks like they will, then the replay value is already knocked down a few notches. 

If all the endings are basically pyrrhic and converge on one outcome, then what's the point of playing it even once?

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Chief Savage Man wrote...

dw99027 wrote...

To be fair, Obsidian are very talented but that KOTOR 2 thing is hard to shake off your back... ratzerman, just read a few pages of this thread and others... there are many obvious reasons why that could be, although it's all supposition.


on the other hand it was 8 years ago.

I get that Bioware fans would have strong feelings about KOTOR 2 since it was a sequel to many bioware people's favorite game, but you have to look at their recent efforts to judge them properly.


Dunno, New Vegas could have spent another six months in Dev so they could have spent more time fixing glitches, making the ending continue the game, and actually make the damage in combat reliable, not copying and pasting FO3. 
Instead of relying on 5 botchy patches.

Oh, and they could have not rehashed the same enemies and designs over and over again.

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At least I have one more thing to be very very excited about:

Changes done based on fan feedback from the original PC players

But wait, that is not about ME3. It is about The Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition, 100% free and coming to us together with then X-box release which will already include all of it.

Enhanced graphics
Enhanced controls
Enhanced camera system
More detailed tutorial
More complex leveling system
4 hours of new content
New characters
New Locations
New Quests
Almost 40 minutes of new cinematics
Changes done based on fan feedback from the original PC players
Keeping it a niche game at the expense of alienating casual and the majority of console players
All built on an in house engine.


And here is the best RPG developers EVA doing it again! Screw the fans!

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incinerator950 wrote...

Chief Savage Man wrote...

dw99027 wrote...

To be fair, Obsidian are very talented but that KOTOR 2 thing is hard to shake off your back... ratzerman, just read a few pages of this thread and others... there are many obvious reasons why that could be, although it's all supposition.


on the other hand it was 8 years ago.

I get that Bioware fans would have strong feelings about KOTOR 2 since it was a sequel to many bioware people's favorite game, but you have to look at their recent efforts to judge them properly.


Dunno, New Vegas could have spent another six months in Dev so they could have spent more time fixing glitches, making the ending continue the game, and actually make the damage in combat reliable, not copying and pasting FO3. 
Instead of relying on 5 botchy patches.

Oh, and they could have not rehashed the same enemies and designs over and over again.


that's the point dude, that game would have stayed in development longer if Obsidian didn't get constantly shafted by their publishers. You think if Obsidian was developing ME3, they would have delayed it to March? Hell no, EA would have sat on Obsidian to get it out the door in time for Christmas and it would have been an even bigger turd. The point is that Obsidian makes better games than Bioware with a fraction of the resources. Put a Bioware-sized budget in their hands and they would make absolute gold.

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I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to romance the Citadel. So I'm going to be very happy. I'll adopt all the keepers as my children and the Citadel will have me inside her/him.

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as long as my shep and his romance intrest survive(miri/ash), i'd be happy with bioware

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Choice.

It all comes down to choice. ME3 comes packed with it.
Single player, multiplayer and three different play modes to boot.
There's also all the variations in choices made in the last two games.

But... there's no choice for a more uplifting farewell? Talking about anticlimax, eh?

Being
that true, this kind of reminds me of BSG. A great show but with a
really disappointing ending. That final part of the last episode eroded any interest I had for that series and the people who produced it.

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GPjessica73 wrote...

Fafner_Ni wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

The question now changes from if to why.

Why end the series on such an arbitrarily cruel note?


Need a setting for the MMO, each expansion will be about a new Mass Relay being built.


Another series ruined by an unecessary mmo?
please, god, no :(

Oh well, CDProjekt, you'll never kickme in the teeth, will you?


I don't like MMO there's no story in that games

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It's kinda weird that they went with a mage/templar thing. Synthetics vs Organics.Seriously Bioware. Come on now. It's getting silly.

Dead on with your analysis - this ending would be downright silly at best and sadastic at worst. I was replaying ME2 to get at best a near perfect ending with pits but now I've lost interest - totally. That's the real issue BW has on its hands. I'll remember YOU BW - never good or nostalgic just bitter at your claim BW to let me have choices. YOU (BW) failed me when it really counted most. And my wallet will NEVER open for you again. That you can take to the bank!.


I just bought ME1 on steam last week in anticipation of my CE order next tuesday. And to think i was all "Wow! A space epic trilogy 5 years in the making!"

Right now, i dun even know what to do with my ME 1 anymore...:crying:


Play it and love it, then buy ME2 and do the same.

Regardless of what happens, those two were amazing games.


me2 was not amazing...it was.....ok


That's your opinion; I think it was great.

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Chief Savage Man wrote...

Tesclo wrote...

Bioware should have asked their fans and the people on this website how they think the game should end. Look at what Paradox does. They ask their players what they want to play and it all works out great. No flame wars, hardly any trolling and things like what's happening right now doesn't happen. Why? Because they give their players what they want not what some corporation that's only out for money wants. That's the disconnect and that's why people are pissed off.


if you asked the Paradox forums how ME3 should end, it would involve serbia being the capital of the universe and serbian spaceships conquering the bosnian aliens probably

but yeah theres a disconnect with the fanbase bigtime here


And see I simply don't understand why... I understand the EA merger. Tor needed the funds. I really do understand that. But look what's been done under EA:

Dragon Origins was already too far along for EA to screw it up.

Mass Effect 2 was stripped of almost everything that made the original good, but it was still a decent game in it's own right.

Dragon Age 2 was a rushed piece of garbage that didn't even resemble the original game. To be honest it shouldn't even be called Dragon Age.

Tor was rushed out the door to hit their Christmas deadline even though we told them it wasn't ready. It was and still is full of bugs that beta testers were talking about for months prior to release. Bioware chose to completely ignore their testers and release it.

And now we have this. The EA relationship here just isn't working because each game released is worse than the last. And do you know why? Because they cater to the consoles and the COD people. This isn't about making the best rpgs on the market anymore. I'm wrong? Really? Mass Effect multiplayer? How much more obvious does it need to get?

People can sit here and act like it doesn't matter, but I've been playing Bioware games since NWN and I can see the decline in quality. The problem is Bioware doesn't care. They know best and they refuse to listen to the people that pay their salary - us. It's all about making as much money as possible now and the customer be damned. It's a shame too because Bioware used to have the best reputation in the industry.

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DragonRageGT wrote...

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

Boa Rage, eu já tava cansado desse palhacinhos que provavelmente não tem nem 20 anos ainda nos chamando de "teenagers" só porque nós queríamos um final que valesse a pena jogar de novo.


What you said in Portuguese is so important that I'm translating that. It is also what I've been asking for:

An ending that makes the game worthy replaying it.



THIS SO MUCH. I will probably enjoy the journey and dread the end but I won't be able replay the series for a long time when I know the sweet journey has a really really bitter end.

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Fafner_Ni wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

The question now changes from if to why.

Why end the series on such an arbitrarily cruel note?


Need a setting for the MMO, each expansion will be about a new Mass Relay being built.

Is Bioware really going to run two MMOs concurrently? And doesn't the destroy ending imply that all tech is wiped out? Not just the relays?

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as long as my shep and his romance intrest survive(miri/ash), i'd be happy with bioware


Yeah... I'd hate to disappoint you but.... I'm pretty sure Ashley will get marooned or killed, if Xio is to be believed.

He says that all the squad gets "teleported" back to the Normandy before it crash lands.

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