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[eternalshiva]

To be honest, I'd rather have the Normandy blow up than stranded with no hope of rescue. Seriously, that ending blows no matter how you look at it. I'm glad Shepard can survive and make it back to earth, since the Citadel is in orbit around earth, but the Normandy and its crew got the shaft for no good reason at all. I'm perfectly happy sacrificing Shepard, I expected to, actually. But the normandy suffering as well? and the LI forced to magically teleport on the ship after you send them away to earth?

Something is not right here. I'd rather not romance anyone or rekindle any old flings to avoid that horrid ending of being stranded and forced to procreate with Normandy crew.

Seriously? How is that a good ending for the LI? "OH SHEP'S DEAD, AGAIN, SHOULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING. I AM FOREVER ALONE AND MISERABLE, AGAIN."

[DeinonSlayer]

Abram730 wrote...
I think Me3 is only the beginning of Mass Effect. It's the setting required for the games that follow. It provides a clean slate and a rise from the ashes for our next protagonist. I think ME3 is the start point for the next hero of humanity.. Did you look at how few systems we really had? How many relays were probably never activated by advanced races? a million?
ME hasn't touched 1% of possibilities and it has flushed out the basics.. I think they should plan 3 at a time for better flow and build up.. Humanities rise from the ashes.
Do we kill the reapers or just strand them? If we kill them they can still get into your heads if they crash to a planet... Some nuts may rebuild one. Was that all of them or do they take turns.
I think this is just the beginning of Mass effect.

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't think so. Bioware gave us an ending where some sort of space-magic energy wave spontaneously converts the entire galactic population into husks. How can the series continue from that point, except in a prequel format which ignores everything you've done? We've been given the choice of three endings which are similar only in that the galaxy is left in shambles and every one of the characters we've been made to care about are effectively dead. Bioware would have to put their foot down and say one of them is canon in order to do anything with the series in the future. They've really shot themselves in the foot with this one.

[Chromes]

Hendrik3 wrote...

Seriously, the panic on this forum is painful to read.
So they found a few vids with bad endings... *shrug* sure, if you mess up your playthrough the crap is going to hit the fan... and that includes dramatic cinematics with the entire galaxy getting messed up.

My gut feeling says there are choice-related happy endings, like in ME2. Proof? I have none. Why? Because you can't make cinematics for choice related endings for every combination of LI and every casualty along the way, and you can't really datamine it. You can only find out about the fixed endings, like for not-imported quick playthroughs. I'm sticking to the BW employee interviews and believe ME3 will be a stunner based on choices from ME1 and 2 - up to the end.

In cinematics (bink files, like in ME2: destruction of base or not ) for every colour (blue, green, red) there are 3 endingds - bad, good, outro.
And, as many people assume (me including) choices will be reflected in ingame cutscenes. However, in all outros relays are destroyed and Normandy gets damaged, and then probably will be a scene made with game engine.

[Kaidan Fan]

It makes me sad that I finally get Garrus/Tali/Kaidan and Liara back for the last game but I need to not recruit them to make sure they have a chance at living and not being on the Normandy when it get sucked into the exploding relay. So in the final game I only get to have Vega and Liara with me at all times?

I almost had myself talked into accepting the endings. But now I'm disappointed again.

Btw...I'm 44 and I wanted my lollipops and rainbows, dangit! :-P

[crimzontearz]

so do we have proof Shepard can survive the Destroy ending?

[Chief Savage Man]

You're all acting like Bioware wouldn't just handwave away the ending of an entire game if they wanted to. If EA wants another Mass Effect game, they will get another Mass Effect game.

[Capeo]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Capeo wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Chief Savage Man wrote...

dw99027 wrote...

To be fair, Obsidian are very talented but that KOTOR 2 thing is hard to shake off your back... ratzerman, just read a few pages of this thread and others... there are many obvious reasons why that could be, although it's all supposition.

on the other hand it was 8 years ago.

I get that Bioware fans would have strong feelings about KOTOR 2 since it was a sequel to many bioware people's favorite game, but you have to look at their recent efforts to judge them properly.

Dunno, New Vegas could have spent another six months in Dev so they could have spent more time fixing glitches, making the ending continue the game, and actually make the damage in combat reliable, not copying and pasting FO3. 
Instead of relying on 5 botchy patches.

Oh, and they could have not rehashed the same enemies and designs over and over again.

NV definetely could have used more time for the glitches but a true FO game never continues after the end.  FO games have a defined end.  FO3 was just a bad joke by Bethesda because they don't understand what makes FO games good.

Problem is, they tried the defined end with FO3. The fans revolted and we got Broken Steel.

Fans revolted because the ending sucked and forced you to die.  There were no choices.  Nobody revolted over NV nor 1 & 2 which all have defined endings.  They just have many defined endings.  If you head over to the Beth forums you'll find NV has replaced 1 & 2 as the best in the series for a lot of die hard FO fans.

[cotheer]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Abram730 wrote...
I think Me3 is only the beginning of Mass Effect. It's the setting required for the games that follow. It provides a clean slate and a rise from the ashes for our next protagonist. I think ME3 is the start point for the next hero of humanity.. Did you look at how few systems we really had? How many relays were probably never activated by advanced races? a million?
ME hasn't touched 1% of possibilities and it has flushed out the basics.. I think they should plan 3 at a time for better flow and build up.. Humanities rise from the ashes.
Do we kill the reapers or just strand them? If we kill them they can still get into your heads if they crash to a planet... Some nuts may rebuild one. Was that all of them or do they take turns.
I think this is just the beginning of Mass effect.

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't think so. Bioware gave us an ending where some sort of space-magic energy wave spontaneously converts the entire galactic population into husks. How can the series continue from that point, except in a prequel format which ignores everything you've done? We've been given the choice of three endings which are similar only in that the galaxy is left in shambles and every one of the characters we've been made to care about are effectively dead. Bioware would have to put their foot down and say one of them is canon in order to do anything with the series in the future. They've really shot themselves in the foot with this one.

This.
I personally can't see any sequel without it being completely in a different galaxy with only a slight hint on what happened in this trilogy in respect what kind of ending is chosen in ME3.
So prequels are more likely, BUT on the other hand they've said to save our savegames.

[Hedera]

Tesclo wrote...
I think that was the point. For whatever reason, I think Bioware really just wants to be done with Mass Effect. The endings all ruin everything so much that it's almost impossible to continue the series. Unless there is a prequel, I honestly believe this is it. The entire universe is ruined beyond repair and I think that was the intention.

They do keep talking about how it's been 6 years and whatnot.

I refuse to cave and get all mopey about this (read: I'm in denial), but if these are the only endings, That could very well be the case.  They got to a certain point, said F this S, ragequit the series, and are in the process of moving on.

Oh, to have an hour alone with one of the writers...  To ask him/her what they really think.

And no, that's not a threat.  I'd honestly just talk.

Modifié par cgrimm54, 01 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[Capeo]

crimzontearz wrote...

so do we have proof Shepard can survive the Destroy ending?

Yeah, the video of he/she surviving is around somewhere.  Around page 140-150 I believe.  Doesn't change anything though.  Everyone is still stranded apart from each other as far as people who have played the game said.

[Nerevar-as]

Tesclo wrote...

Chief Savage Man wrote...

You're all acting like Bioware wouldn't just handwave away the ending of an entire game if they wanted to. If EA wants another Mass Effect game, they will get another Mass Effect game.

At this point, I wouldn't put it past them.

If the endings are as they seem they have to know no amount of marketing will get them good sales, not after throwing away common sense and lore to produce such disasters.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 01 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[Chief Savage Man]

Capeo wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Capeo wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Chief Savage Man wrote...

dw99027 wrote...

To be fair, Obsidian are very talented but that KOTOR 2 thing is hard to shake off your back... ratzerman, just read a few pages of this thread and others... there are many obvious reasons why that could be, although it's all supposition.

on the other hand it was 8 years ago.

I get that Bioware fans would have strong feelings about KOTOR 2 since it was a sequel to many bioware people's favorite game, but you have to look at their recent efforts to judge them properly.

Dunno, New Vegas could have spent another six months in Dev so they could have spent more time fixing glitches, making the ending continue the game, and actually make the damage in combat reliable, not copying and pasting FO3. 
Instead of relying on 5 botchy patches.

Oh, and they could have not rehashed the same enemies and designs over and over again.

NV definetely could have used more time for the glitches but a true FO game never continues after the end.  FO games have a defined end.  FO3 was just a bad joke by Bethesda because they don't understand what makes FO games good.

Problem is, they tried the defined end with FO3. The fans revolted and we got Broken Steel.

Fans revolted because the ending sucked and forced you to die.  There were no choices.  Nobody revolted over NV nor 1 & 2 which all have defined endings.  They just have many defined endings.  If you head over to the Beth forums you'll find NV has replaced 1 & 2 as the best in the series for a lot of die hard FO fans.

The funniest thing about Fallout 3 is that you could bring a Super Mutant with you (Super Mutants are immune to radiation) and he could have gone into it and done it himself and everybody would have been fine. But instead he just refuses to go in for no discernible reason. That was a laugh.

[DifferentD17]

Why not just make a new galaxy, instead of destroying the current one?

[Sia_Sinblade]

You know what would be really funny?

After release, the people spoilering now come out and say: Haha, tricked ya. TROLLOLOL

Not likely, but it would be hilarious. XD

P.S.: I have no problems with the endings. I'm gonna be epicly depressed and simultaneously awed. It takes some guts to end a series like this on a note that the writers think is appropriate but they know fans will hate.

Not saying it's a smart thing...just saying it's nice to see someone sticking to their story, even if people may not be happy with it. Also not excusing the marketing and other BS that has been released.

Divinity 2 - Ego Draconis is one of my most memorable games. Not because of epic gameplay or awesome story...but because it completely and utterly shocked me with the ending.

[CrashTagger]

Tesclo wrote...
Bioware isn't an artist. Bioware is a company. At the end of the day, a company needs to make money. To make money a company needs people to buy their product. So now if the customer is telling you that they don't want to purchase a product that you made because you "went your own way", that should tell you stop going "your own way" and that you should probably go back to giving the customers what they want.

Give customer what they want = good business.
Doing whatever the hell you want = being a homeless person.

It's as simple as that. But see what Bioware does is insult the customer when they don't like the direction Bioware chose to go. There is no "hey they didn't like this let's see what they would like better" thought process because it's a "how dare they not like what we gave them?!" mentality. Add in EA rushing everything out the door to make as much money as possible and we have the reason why Bioware sucks.

I will have to respectfully disagree. Forget about this ending, BioWare is an artist and a company. An artist creates whatever he feels, in hopes of others grasping it and sharing the same feeling. Would I go to Picasso and tell him to change his painting style because I don't like it, or because it "doesn't sell"? I would be labeled as an idiot, and rightfully so. I didn't like the direction many bands chose to go, and I simply stopped listening to and buying their new albums. I didn't feel like I had the right to judge each and every of their moves, and went on rants on discussion boards about it.

Are video games a form of art? Yes, they are, proved to be so many times over. Do I like/not like what BioWare puts out? I answer with my wallet. And on top of all the bashing and refusing to accept the fact that they're free to develop what they want, as we all are free to choose whether we'll buy it or not, you have people threatening the life of BioWare's writer en masse; that was a recent incident, not to mention invididuals who do it all the time on the forums, against many different employees. People are constantly insulting BioWare and EA - even in your post, you say they "suck". Why do you feel they "have" to please you to be a good business? For all I know, EA and BioWare have some best sellers, and Mass Effect 3 will be another hit. Are they not good business?

[DeinonSlayer]

I find Linkin Park's "In The End" does a really ironically good job of describing the situation here:
I tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn't even matter

[Chief Savage Man]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Why not just make a new galaxy, instead of destroying the current one?

I think part of Mass Effect's appeal is that its a continuation of our own timeline and it actually feels kind of plausible in that sense. Especially when you read the codex entries about the politics of Earth, it makes it feel a bit more real I guess.

[Sia_Sinblade]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I find Linkin Park's "In The End" does a really ironically good job of describing the situation here:
I tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn't even matter

I think I need to do an Music Video for the ME Trilogy to this song. XD

[crimzontearz]

groans I saw the Vid

Anche la Speme, ultima Dea fugge is sepolcri

I am deeply saddened....even with the best possible ending....I honestly am not sure I want to play ME3. I'm sorry....I don't play BW games that I am unable to play more than once (I played ME1&2 at least 20 times each) and with these endings I am not sure I could play ME3 more than once

[Dilos01]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I find Linkin Park's "In The End" does a really ironically good job of describing the situation here:
I tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn't even matter

That's a great theme to go with, regarding this whole series.  And this whole thread is getting close to 220 pages!



Oh and good morning everyone. 

[AkiKishi]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...
Divinity 2 - Ego Draconis is one of my most memorable games. Not because of epic gameplay or awesome story...but because it completely and utterly shocked me with the ending.

Killzone 3 for me . I just sat there stunned by the enormity of what I had just done.

It never felt contrived or forced though. As long as ME3 is the same I'll be ok with the endings. But not about putting in hours getting assets/GR for no real difference in them.

[CptData]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I find Linkin Park's "In The End" does a really ironically good job of describing the situation here:
I tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn't even matter

Pretty much describes the meaning of life. There's none.
Whatever you do, whatever you change, in the long run you'll die.

Must say, although it's 100% reality, it also doesn't fit into a game series most players used to escape said truth.