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[VivaLaWhatsername]

Guys I'm responding to that IGN video (didn't even realise I had an IGN account lol) what do you think of this?:

"Most consumers/fans of ME3 are hardly a vocal minority, a poll done by IGN yourselves proves this( https://www.facebook...50639359051633/) the majority of people voting on most polls are against the ending. The ending is full of plot holes, and is simply nonsensical, personally I think you are much nastier than anyone who hates the ending. Most of us have been extremely civil and respectful, and to have you throw at us that we are being nasty about it is ridiculous. I respect the fact you liked the ending and I respect everyone else who also liked the ending, but that does not make you a majority. From all I have seen regarding all this, the people who liked the ending are much more disrespectful and rude than anyone who hated the ending, I personally think you have to be more objective. You don't work for Bioware, you don't work for EA, but yet you still seem to get a kick out of calling us "entitled" when we are clearly not, we were promised a certain product which in the end we did not receive. Our choices did not matter in the end, though they were supposed to. There were supposed to be 16 endings, but there weren't. The ending goes against, everything Mass Effect was by not giving you more choice, Red, Green or Blue is more a matter of "What's your favourite colour?" and I'm sorry but Colin Moriarty you are a very unpleasant arrogant man and I have lost all respect for IGN during this debacle."

Edit: typo

Modifié par xHezz90, 22 mars 2012 - 08:57 .

[ErMacPE]

Looking at the gamefaqs poll, I'm seriously trying to figure out just how they've managed to get that many votes for not changing the ending... if you look at the polls both here on BSN and those on the other game sites that we've had linked here in the past, it's been nothing like this...

I'm suspecting that they may or may not have been indoctrinated by some means

[Atrocity]

xHezz90 wrote...

Guys I'm responding to that IGN video (didn't even realise I had an IGN account lol) what do you think of this?:

"Most consumers/fans of ME3 are hardly a vocal minority, a poll done by IGN yourselves proves this( https://www.facebook...50639359051633/) the majority of people voting on most polls are against the ending. The ending is full of plot holes, and is simply nonsensical, personally I think you are much nastier than anyone who hates the ending. Most of us have been extremely civil and respectful, and to have you throw at us that we are being nasty about it is ridiculous. I respect the fact you liked the ending and I respect everyone else who also liked the ending, but that does not make you a majority. From all I have seen regarding all this, the people who liked the ending are much more disrespectful and rude than anyone who hated the ending, I personally think you have to be more objective. You don't work for Bioware, you don't work for EA, but yeah you still seem to get a kick out of calling us "entitled" when we are clearly not, we were promised a certain product which in the end we did not receive. Our choices did not matter in the end, though they were supposed to. There were supposed to be 16 endings, but there weren't. The ending goes against, everything Mass Effect was by not giving you more choice, Red, Green or Blue is more a matter of "What's your favourite colour?" and I'm sorry but Colin Moriarty you are a very unpleasant arrogant man and I have lost all respect for IGN during this debacle."

I'd remove all the 'nasties' from the response, and simply just ask him to do his research before posting/making videos about this issue in the future, since this video is lacking on that department. We gain nothing from sinking to his level, on the contrary, it might hurt our cause. If they want to play the martyr inside theri heads, let them, play to the facts, be polite, be cool, be as objective as you can.

[Mr Chr15topher]

2185: the year ME3 is set in.

[DeathsAudit]

@xHezz90: I like that you are going to comment, but that last part is not going to further our cause at all. Even if he is all of those things xD I do agree with what you were saying with the rest of that though!

[Atrocity]

OK, I have to run again to my class, keep it civil people, ESPECIALLY when commenting on ign etc.

Atrocity out.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Atrocity wrote...

I'd remove all the 'nasties' from the response, and simply just ask him to do his research before posting/making videos about this issue in the future, since this video is lacking on that department. We gain nothing from sinking to his level, on the contrary, it might hurt our cause. If they want to play the martyr inside theri heads, let them, play to the facts, be polite, be cool, be as objective as you can.

Better?:

"Most consumers/fans of ME3 are hardly a vocal minority, a poll done by IGN yourselves proves this( https://www.facebook...50639359051633/) the majority of people voting on most polls are against the ending. The ending is full of plot holes, and is simply nonsensical. Most of us have been extremely civil and respectful. I respect the fact you liked the ending and I respect everyone else who also liked the ending, but that does not make you a majority. I personally think you have to be more objective. You don't work for Bioware, you don't work for EA, but yet you still seem to get a kick out of calling us "entitled" when we are clearly not, we were promised a certain product which in the end we did not receive. Our choices did not matter in the end, though they were supposed to. There were supposed to be 16 endings, but there weren't. The ending goes against, everything Mass Effect was by not giving you more choice, Red, Green or Blue is more a matter of "What's your favourite colour?" "

[captainbob8383]

Guys i've created a topic to ask biowareto create an official poll about ME3 ending here:
http://social.biowar.../index/10396307

We really need them to acknowledge real numbers. They will stop speaking of minority then.

Modifié par captainbob8383, 22 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Alikan]

Silasqtx wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/

VOTE, we're losing atm.

Voted but....it will happen now and again, because:

* Anyone can toss up a poll, muddle the answering options and even as one poll did allow unlimited voting from a person.

* There are a large number of people voting that never even played the game and of course those will generally be more in favour of the ending not being changed.

* There are literally dozens of polls up about this. its hard to participate in them all.

* as long as the majority of major polls still show a clear trend in one direction, "loosing" one poll or another means nothing.

* People become fatiqued. a number of people i know that disliked the ending already turned their game copies in and washed their hands of Bioware. They do not go to any forums or polls any longer, are not interested in any dlc's etc. The effect from them will just be felt in future failed sales for new releases

Modifié par Alikan, 22 mars 2012 - 09:13 .

[captainbob8383]

Alikan wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/

VOTE, we're losing atm.

Voted but....it will happen now and again, because:

* Anyone can toss up a poll, muddle the answering options and even as one poll did allow unlimited voting from a person.

* There are a large number of people voting that never even played a game and of course those will generally be more in favour of the ending not being changed.

* There are literally dozens of polls up about this. its impossible to participate in them all.

* as long as the majority of major polls still show a clear trend in one direction, "loosing" one poll or another means nothing.

* People become fatiqued. a numbe rof people i knwo that disliked the ending alreayde truned their game copies in adn washed their hands of Bioware. They do not go to any forums or polls any longer, are not interested in any dlc's etc. The effect from them will just be felt in future failed sales for new releases

That's why we need an official one. Go ask for it here:
http://social.biowar.../index/10396307

[Hiyanu]

It seems to me that Bioware is really working hard to slap all of us in the face and expect us to turn the other cheek if they decide to do nothing about the ending or ignore us or both.

The facts stand.
Sure there may be 75+ perfect scores from 'professional' critics and writers for mass effect 3...
However there are tens of thousands of very different USER reviews showing a much lesser opinion...USUALLY pointing out that the ending is weighing pretty heavy on the total scores from those reviews.

The attempts that BW is using backhand comments / statements about us being the "minority" and hiding behind these reviews from magazines and such. It shows just how annoying they seem to find us. We are not annoying, we are a voice with strength and will. Until they realize this, we will remain their "minority".

And it's only the beginning. They need to see their error and correct it. They may be 'listening' but they definitely aren't hearing us. I think our words of criticism constructive or not are just words to them at the moment. As we grow they will begin to truly hear us and begin to see that the weight of our line will be held by many more than they could have imagined.

We're already at the point where there is no giving up.

For changes to be of any true value, they've got to be lasting and consistent.
-Tony Robbins

Hope this helps a little for everyone... Hold the line.

[BlackDevil06]

ErMacPE wrote...

Looking at the gamefaqs poll, I'm seriously trying to figure out just how they've managed to get that many votes for not changing the ending... if you look at the polls both here on BSN and those on the other game sites that we've had linked here in the past, it's been nothing like this...

I'm suspecting that they may or may not have been indoctrinated by some means

You know, if only this poll turns out in favor for keeping the endings, this poll will always be the one referred to. Not the thousands of other polls where people clearly say the endings is...not the best.

[chmarr]

what i find HILARIOUS is that freddie prinze jnr WORKS as producer for the WWE, and his RL pictures ... well he's skinny and not much muscle mass yet in the game he's BIGGER than "THE GAME" triple H, and whats even more funny is that his in game char looks like chris masters

[Ampmaster]

Jytra wrote...

Well, here's something kinda funny, for those who just love Mr. Moriarty's posts...

http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1114043p1.html

Colin Moriarty, Guides Guru:


Obviously, the fact that Cole has been reverted back to his old self
(somewhat) is great news. After all, Greg and I did our fair share of
whining on Podcast Beyond after the new Cole was first shown on the
cover of Game Informer some months back. Of course, I'd love for Sucker
Punch to bring back Cole's old voice, too, but hey – beggars can't be
choosers.




But beyond
the excitement I feel to have old Cole back in Infamous 2, I think the
sudden change in character model says a lot more. Indeed, it says a
great deal about Sucker Punch itself. This is a studio that listens to
its fans, cares what they want, and attempts to cater to as many of them
as possible. There's no doubt that fans of a franchise can't be trusted
with every little thing (after all, look at how many people were
completely and utterly wrong when they predicted Wind Waker would suck
based solely on its graphics – I still laugh at those people today), but
it still delivers a rather important point.




But with the new Cole design, Sucker Punch heard loud and clear what
fans of Infamous wanted, and they delivered. Infinite amounts of kudos
to them for doing right by their community. Fans of Infamous won't soon
forget it. Sucker Punch is one of Sony's most valuable developers. They
are tuned-in with the PS3 faithful, and it's things like this that prove
it.



What a bloddy hippocrite.

Worth reposting me thinks, ahhhh so amusing. I really hope Colin addresses this at some point, the explanation and ensuing game of CYA would be an entertaining diversion

[Hiyanu]

ErMacPE wrote...

Looking at the gamefaqs poll, I'm seriously trying to figure out just how they've managed to get that many votes for not changing the ending... if you look at the polls both here on BSN and those on the other game sites that we've had linked here in the past, it's been nothing like this...

I'm suspecting that they may or may not have been indoctrinated by some means

This poll is also on a website that does not reflect any of those people having completed mass effect 3, or weather or not they have even played it.


Correct me if i'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that Gamefaqs.com is a website mainly used for finding cheat codes and walkthroughs. A much younger playerbase than that of what Mass Effect games would be aiming for.

Modifié par Hiyanu, 22 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[Giguelingueling]

Koobarex wrote...

It's that time again.

Marauder Shields: Shepard's Last Foe
EPISODE 9: The Thin Blue Line

In this episode... We take a peek inside the Alliance's flagship and join a familiar character in a gutsy decision. To ensure the best reading experience, play "Two Steps from Hell - Heart of Courage" in the background while reading.


Open the full version here:  http://i.imgur.com/TmzoQ.jpg

If you have any problems viewing the full version, find it at my DA profile, here: http://koobismo.deviantart.com (be sure to comment or say "hi" ). 

Previous episodes:
Episode 1: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg
Episode 2: http://i.imgur.com/SU6Lq.jpg
Episode 3: http://i.imgur.com/eBrxF.jpg
Episode 4: http://i.imgur.com/59whH.jpg
Episode 5: http://i.imgur.com/6zyaQ.jpg
Episode 6: http://i.imgur.com/kw8MV.jpg
Episode 7: http://i.imgur.com/W2hfn.jpg 
Episode 8: http://i.imgur.com/ySrw1.jpg
Also available on: http://koobismo.deviantart.com

HOLD THE LINE!

P.S. As a set of additional info - I will be no longer able to produce these daily, the process is getting a little lengthy and complicated and I want to keep it that way to ensure I can tell the stories I really want to. As of today, expect these comics every 2 days.

:wizard:

Those are simply amazing 

[Phoenix NL]

I don't think that we should worry too much about polls on Gamefaqs etc. Alot of people might be reacting because they don't like the concept that a game company might be forced to change the ending because of player demand. People may be voting out of ignorance, we don't know. Remember though - Bioware IS listening to us and taking us seriously, regardless what other people out there are saying. We don't know yet exactly what will come of Bioware listening to us but they are taking it on board and that is the first important step. This comes down to the relationship between us and Bioware and I do think that they value that, I just think they've been taken aback by all of this.

[KLGChaos]

BlackDevil06 wrote...

You know, if only this poll turns out in favor for keeping the endings, this poll will always be the one referred to. Not the thousands of other polls where people clearly say the endings is...not the best.

Well, you still have to add the top two and the bottom two together to get the general gist of people's feelings. More importantly, even if the pro-ending camp takes the poll... it's nearly neck and neck. Whether they win or not, nearly half the voters aren't happy with the ending. That's never a good sign.


And still holding the line over on IGN. Countering flames with facts. I think my favorite was someone comparing ME to Star Wars and saying "This isn't a choose your own adventure book", when in reality, ME is much close to that than a movie. The whole game is about choice.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 22 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[evisneffo]

Hiyanu wrote...

ErMacPE wrote...

Looking at the gamefaqs poll, I'm seriously trying to figure out just how they've managed to get that many votes for not changing the ending... if you look at the polls both here on BSN and those on the other game sites that we've had linked here in the past, it's been nothing like this...
I'm suspecting that they may or may not have been indoctrinated by some means [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

This poll is also on a website that does not reflect any of those people having completed mass effect 3, or weather or not they have even played it.

And it's framed entirely as Entitlement versus Artistic Integrity. So people can confidently make an uninformed decision, and let's be honest, how many members of the general public (or at least, those with no interest in Mass Effect) will pick "do what the angry fans are demanding" over "have some respect for the people who owned and worked hard on this story"?

BlackDevil06 wrote...

You know, if only this poll turns out in favor for keeping the endings, this poll will always be the one referred to. Not the thousands of other polls where people clearly say the endings is...not the best.

Way too true unfortunately.

Modifié par evisneffo, 22 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[-PG-Skyre]

*twitches* The IGN team are so freaking payed for that its beyond a joke...and making a vid just to burn us...thats low...I dont think even EA would stoop that low.

[Hexi329]

You know, I see a lot of talk about "video games as art" from a variety of people who attempt to defend Bioware's right to defend their product from change.

Can anyone please clarify/define what the concept of "art" entails for me? Currently, "artistic vision" and "artistic integrity" appear to be buzzwords, poorly defined, thrown around by people both opposing and supporting potential changes to the game.

[Hendrik.III]

Seriously, how "dangerous" would this precedent be? EA wanted to stand out and be innovative - so here's their big chance. Just goes to show to what lengths you'll go to satisy your customers after you failed to deliver what you promised.

We're not creating jurisprudence here, it doesn't work that way. Their fear of change is saddening, really. IGN may glorify mediocrity, but is it that wrong to demand for better?

Seriously, we can't force Bioware/EA to do anything - we're just speaking out in the hope that they'll listen. It's then our choice to not trust them to deliver quality anymore. But we MUST speak up to at least make ourselves heard. We can improve this game greatly - especially the replayability - if BW would only listen to us.

Whatever they throw at us and no matter how dirty it is... HOLD THE LINE!

Modifié par Hendrik.III, 22 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[TumblingBumblebee]

Lately every time I pop in to check this and other threads... I get the impression things got quieter... slowed down and there are less and less active people. It looks like many of us are just waiting for things to move and that is actually making us less "visible".
The poll on gamefaqs is just depressing but I guess we can't no longer gather as many people as those who voted on the first polls about the ending...

Keep it civil and Hold the line I guess.

[Seryndras]

Good morning fellow line holders!

There is a new poll at German magazine GameStar, and I  think it might be nice if they got a similair impact as with their last poll.

Just visit www.gamestar.de and scroll down until you see the radio boxes on the right. I'll translate and let you decide what to choose:

"Poll
BioWare gives in and alters the ending of Mass Effect 3. Is this the right decision?

1. Great, now I get what I want!
2. Yes, because BioWare depends on its fans.
3. No, I liked the original ending.
4. No, artistic vision must not be compromised from the outside."

Have a nice day everyone!