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[evisneffo]

CitizenSnips28 wrote...

I think things will be fine. Those feeling bummed or frustrated, please take a bit of time off. Nothings going to be made pointless official for a few weeks. Get a break from all this and come back whenever you genuinely want to. No point burning yourselves out. Honestly I think alot of people are starting to lash out at us so bad lately because its become more and more clear that we're being effective and its turning them desperate. They want to call us entitled? Damn right we are. We're entitled to expressing our opinion and offering feedback on a product as consumers. The LAST thing BW wants is for half their base to quietly lose interest and develop a meh attitude towards their products. That's the kind of stuff that turns powerhouse companies into has beens.

Thanks for the pep talk. I should check out for a while. As much as this thread is like a support group it occasionally feels like being hit in the head with a shoe.

Keep up that persistence.

[Welsh Inferno]

Geda173 wrote...

Was Colin Moriarty the same when the Fallout 3 ending was altered? I mean, I just watched the precedence video again and now I want to punch him in the face again.

He has one of those voices that make you just want to slap him silly.

[XTiferethX]

Phoenix NL wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Thrawn81 wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

IGN put up a vid aimed to burn us and make us out to be the worst people in history. Apparently we're the gaming industries version of Hitler.

link pls!!!

http://au.ign.com/vi...erous-precedent

Just to be facetious, the game already turned us into Space Hitler so at least we're sticking to the trend?

Did they announce there will be a new ending for ME3?

[Iconoclaste]

Phoenix NL wrote...

I don't think this is an earth shattering defining moment for the industry because this relationship with the fans is something the Bioware actively cultivated and asked for. They wanted us to care and be involved, which is why they're taking what we're saying seriously.

If they succeed in tying the loose ends together and still get everyone satisfied, then the "dangerous precedent" announced in IGN's article will reveal itself to be a wise corporate decision. Others might reconsider dismissing this approach, and maybe game design will be oriented to leave more room for additional content /modifications to be integrated seamlessly in the final releases, with less difficulties.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 22 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[Memengwa]

Mhgasa wrote...

Im not really understanding this whole hate campaign against fans, considering they are the same people they are hoping will buy their products in the future. If anything it would make sense to defend the fans right to express themselves, wether bioware agrees or not. Everytime they do that, they come off as extremely passive agressive towards the fans, saying we respect you and then saying f*** you right afterwards.
 
I must admit im pretty tied of this whole debacle and it seems obvious that calm discussion is just put in the same category as whiner/nerdrage/entitled, so what is the point.? I can except bioware standing their ground if they believe thats the right thing. What i wont accept being taken for a entitled child throwing a tantrum, for expressing an opinion they themselves asked for, in order for them to win the opinion war.

I dont know why i havent just returned the game and moved on to other companies like CDproject.

We should press the fact that this changes everything when we are no longer "fans". I actually see that particular word as the core of the problem of dismissing our claims. Even if we are fans, we are first and foremost consumers.

This is what gets forgotten - We are consumers, stop calling us fans.

As long as we are called fans, and not consumers, it is OK to redicule us, and not take us seriously. but as soon as we are consumers, things are seen differently.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...

Agreed~! SO what's your take on the whole thing from the Cofounder of BW? And the new IGN vid?

The whole co-founder thing just confuses me, and as far as I could tell seems to be all double-speak PR stuff again.
The new IGN video annoys me and I cannot believe how unpleasant and arrogant that Colin guy is <_<

[Mavaras]

B.Shep wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

It is very interesting to know that, if we keep the arguments on the civilized ground, we might just be defining now the way game developers will interact with their customers in the future, and what to expect from them.

IGN is not leading, it's merely following.

Indeed. We are leading this movement.

Sometimes i feel really proudy of everyone who is here holding the line without give in to hate and flame wars like some IGNorant site is doing.
Let's keep showing them we aren't a buch of spoiled brats.

Me too. The IGNs of the world don't matter anyways. I am impressed by the discussion on these forums, and that is enough for me =)

[Phaedros]

Geda173 wrote...

Was Colin Moriarty the same when the Fallout 3 ending was altered? I mean, I just watched the precedence video again and now I want to punch him in the face again.

He changed one of his own books due to feedback.

He's a class A hypocrit.

[AmaraDark]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

I don't think this is an earth shattering defining moment for the industry because this relationship with the fans is something the Bioware actively cultivated and asked for. They wanted us to care and be involved, which is why they're taking what we're saying seriously.

If they succeed in tying the loose ends together and still get everyone satisfied, then the "dangerous precedent" announced in IGN's article will reveal itself to be a wise corporate decision. Others might reconsider dismissing this approach, and maybe game design will be oriented to leave more room for additional content /modifications to be integrated seamlessly in the final releases, with less difficulties.

Or game developers could just pay attention to the Evil Overlord rules.

Rule Number 12. One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws
in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before
implementation.

(http://www.eviloverl...s/overlord.html)

[Goikiu]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

http://au.ign.com/vi...erous-precedent

I laughed so loud that i've got an echo into my office. 

I've laughed a lot from the comments too.... most of them aren't explaining it really well... 

[Nharia1]

B.Shep wrote...

Indeed. We are leading this movement.

Sometimes i feel really proudy of everyone who is here holding the line without give in to hate and flame wars like some IGNorant site is doing.
Let's keep showing them we aren't a buch of spoiled brats.

I like what you did with IGN there~! xD Good one!

And I agree, they do seem to be treating everyone of us like spoiled brats. I for one, don't kindly to being called either one of those two words. They're degrading to the ones who say them, more than to whom they are aimed at.

[Geda173]

Phaedros wrote...

He changed one of his own books due to feedback.

He's a class A hypocrit.

What book?

[Gi-Joe-Ge]

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[Xyalon]

Good to see the line is being held strong, and glad to see I missed those pages that would make me an emotional wreck all over again.

Keep it steady chaps.

Gosh, I need more sleep...

[Darth Taurus]

Good morning people! Any news from the trenchline?

[Welsh Inferno]

'd by previous page..

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[VivaLaWhatsername]

I suck but hey-ho what do you guys think?

[Iconoclaste]

Bookmarking those links...

[Phoenix NL]

Maybe we should just send Bioware many many cupcakes to cheer them up - surely no one can write a doom and gloom ending when on a cupcake sugar high lol

[nitefyre410]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Maybe we should just send Bioware many many cupcakes to cheer them up - surely no one can write a doom and gloom ending when on a cupcake sugar high lol

 


but they don't deserve delicous  sweet  treats..you don't treats when you do wrong...  <_< 

[Memengwa]

Gi-Joe-Ge wrote...

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[AmaraDark]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Maybe we should just send Bioware many many cupcakes to cheer them up - surely no one can write a doom and gloom ending when on a cupcake sugar high lol

I can bake some mean mint-chocolate chip cookies. I'll bake 'em a few hundred for Shep.

[Alikan]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Maybe we should just send Bioware many many cupcakes to cheer them up - surely no one can write a doom and gloom ending when on a cupcake sugar high lol

Oh god...no....

with a massive sugarhigh we might actually get frolicking unicorns farting rainbows......gah....

[Phoenix NL]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Maybe we should just send Bioware many many cupcakes to cheer them up - surely no one can write a doom and gloom ending when on a cupcake sugar high lol

 


but they don't deserve delicous  sweet  treats..you don't treats when you do wrong...  <_< 

Think of it as an incentive instead of a reward!

[Silasqtx]

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