My only option is gone
Smile as they break and they fall
You want a simpler life
You can't erase what was mine
You must be out of your mind
This was a simple design
You **** it up every time
How could you leave me behind?
~Breaking Benjamin
So we can't get the ending we want after all?
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#5452
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 02:54
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I will have to respectfully disagree. Forget about this ending, BioWare is an artist and a company. An artist creates whatever he feels, in hopes of others grasping it and sharing the same feeling. Would I go to Picasso and tell him to change his painting style because I don't like it, or because it "doesn't sell"? I would be labeled as an idiot, and rightfully so. I didn't like the direction many bands chose to go, and I simply stopped listening to and buying their new albums. I didn't feel like I had the right to judge each and every of their moves, and went on rants on discussion boards about it.Tesclo wrote...
Bioware isn't an artist. Bioware is a company. At the end of the day, a company needs to make money. To make money a company needs people to buy their product. So now if the customer is telling you that they don't want to purchase a product that you made because you "went your own way", that should tell you stop going "your own way" and that you should probably go back to giving the customers what they want.
Give customer what they want = good business.
Doing whatever the hell you want = being a homeless person.
It's as simple as that. But see what Bioware does is insult the customer when they don't like the direction Bioware chose to go. There is no "hey they didn't like this let's see what they would like better" thought process because it's a "how dare they not like what we gave them?!" mentality. Add in EA rushing everything out the door to make as much money as possible and we have the reason why Bioware sucks.
Are video games a form of art? Yes, they are, proved to be so many times over. Do I like/not like what BioWare puts out? I answer with my wallet. And on top of all the bashing and refusing to accept the fact that they're free to develop what they want, as we all are free to choose whether we'll buy it or not, you have people threatening the life of BioWare's writer en masse; that was a recent incident, not to mention invididuals who do it all the time on the forums, against many different employees. People are constantly insulting BioWare and EA - even in your post, you say they "suck". Why do you feel they "have" to please you to be a good business? For all I know, EA and BioWare have some best sellers, and Mass Effect 3 will be another hit. Are they not good business?
To a point, you are right. Games can be considered art. I'm not going to argue that. The problem I have is when a company says one thing and does another. Bioware says they create rpgs, but as of late, all we're seeing is rushed first person shooters and action games. So if Picasso said he was going to paint a lake and then turns around and shows you a mountain and claims it to be a lake, you're obviously going to tell him it's a mountain. If Bioware wants to make shooters and action games and whatever else EA tells them to make to compete with CoD or whatever other garbage 13 year olds like... then so be it. Let them. Just come out and say it though. But you don't string people along on this false fantasy that Bioware is still true to it's roots. They're obviously not.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 02:54
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Sia_Sinblade wrote...
You know what would be really funny?
After release, the people spoilering now come out and say: Haha, tricked ya. TROLLOLOL
Not likely, but it would be hilarious. XD
P.S.: I have no problems with the endings. I'm gonna be epicly depressed and simultaneously awed. It takes some guts to end a series like this on a note that the writers think is appropriate but they know fans will hate.
Not saying it's a smart thing...just saying it's nice to see someone sticking to their story, even if people may not be happy with it. Also not excusing the marketing and other BS that has been released.
Divinity 2 - Ego Draconis is one of my most memorable games. Not because of epic gameplay or awesome story...but because it completely and utterly shocked me with the ending.
You mean how the Dragon Knight swept the floor with the ***** who tricked us earlier? The cat from Divine Divinity was also a nice touch.
And the ending makes no sense: merge seems like space magic out of the blue, Normandy stranded is both stupid in execution and the implications are horrible, ...
It´s like the writing team ignored the lore and the tone of the setting to troll us.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 02:55
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Tesclo wrote...
Bioware should have asked their fans and the people on this website how they think the game should end. Look at what Paradox does. They ask their players what they want to play and it all works out great. No flame wars, hardly any trolling and things like what's happening right now doesn't happen. Why? Because they give their players what they want not what some corporation that's only out for money wants. That's the disconnect and that's why people are pissed off.
There is a small window when they may look at forums.. then they get too busy to do anything but make the game... I and many others asked for this and they did it..... Nobody was offering anything else other then they were in love with tali, or angry about liara and they fixed that. What ideas did the now angry "fans" offer and ask for? More Love interests? Big bootie hoes? You get that.. Cough cough... Ashley Williams?
They did listen... They did. I asked to see the earth invaded and burning. An epic battle with all races fighting the reapers, relays destroyed, fighting Cerberus and Shepperd dead. I asked for weapon mods and offered a rough system. What did you ask for?
Where were you then?
ME2 I wanted for area specific damage. It made repetively shooting things more interesting. IE better gameplay, but not something people always notice objectively. It's not something people know to ask for but they like it. The fan base grew from the gameplay. The game works as a shooter too.
I think they understand the IP and can keep from painting them self into corners so quickly now.
A 200GB 5 hour game would be quite a corner, due to plot branching. This is a clean slate with a wonderful galaxy to return to.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 02:59
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Everything up to the endings is good, IMO. But the final mission? I think they were just burnt out and threw in some space magic.Nerevar-as wrote...
Sia_Sinblade wrote...
You know what would be really funny?
After release, the people spoilering now come out and say: Haha, tricked ya. TROLLOLOL
Not likely, but it would be hilarious. XD
P.S.: I have no problems with the endings. I'm gonna be epicly depressed and simultaneously awed. It takes some guts to end a series like this on a note that the writers think is appropriate but they know fans will hate.
Not saying it's a smart thing...just saying it's nice to see someone sticking to their story, even if people may not be happy with it. Also not excusing the marketing and other BS that has been released.
Divinity 2 - Ego Draconis is one of my most memorable games. Not because of epic gameplay or awesome story...but because it completely and utterly shocked me with the ending.
You mean how the Dragon Knight swept the floor with the ***** who tricked us earlier? The cat from Divine Divinity was also a nice touch.
And the ending makes no sense: merge seems like space magic out of the blue, Normandy stranded is both stupid in execution and the implications are horrible, ...
It´s like the writing team ignored the lore and the tone of the setting to troll us.
#5456
Posté 01 mars 2012 - 02:59
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Abram730 wrote...
There is a small window when they may look at forums.. then they get too busy to do anything but make the game... I and many others asked for this and they did it..... Nobody was offering anything else other then they were in love with tali, or angry about liara and they fixed that. What ideas did the now angry "fans" offer and ask for? More Love interests? Big bootie hoes? You get that.. Cough cough... Ashley Williams?
They did listen... They did. I asked to see the earth invaded and burning. An epic battle with all races fighting the reapers, relays destroyed, fighting Cerberus and Shepperd dead. I asked for weapon mods and offered a rough system. What did you ask for?
Where were you then?
ME2 I wanted for area specific damage. It made repetively shooting things more interesting. IE better gameplay, but not something people always notice objectively. It's not something people know to ask for but they like it. The fan base grew from the gameplay. The game works as a shooter too.
I think they understand the IP and can keep from painting them self into corners so quickly now.
A 200GB 5 hour game would be quite a corner, due to plot branching. This is a clean slate with a wonderful galaxy to return to.
There were dozens of threads about whether there should be an option for a happy ending. The large majority in those threads said yes. It could be difficult, but it needed to be possible. Many people felt very strongly on this question and stated their opinions very clearly.
Those who only wanted dark endings were a clear minority.
But I guess Bioware has to stay true to their artistic vision, even if it costs them the trust of a million or two fans. They're likely writing for the awards now.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:00
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Abram730 wrote...
A 200GB 5 hour game would be quite a corner, due to plot branching. This is a clean slate with a wonderful galaxy to return to.
Well, since the mass relays are destroyed, it's like having a hacking game and in the end destroying the internet. You might go into smaller hacking stuff, but it won't be the same.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:00
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Nerevar-as wrote...
Tesclo wrote...
Chief Savage Man wrote...
You're all acting like Bioware wouldn't just handwave away the ending of an entire game if they wanted to. If EA wants another Mass Effect game, they will get another Mass Effect game.
At this point, I wouldn't put it past them.
If the endings are as they seem they have to know no amount of marketing will get them good sales, not after throwing away common sense and lore to produce such disasters.
Flying space monkeys could shoot from Shep's ass and tickle the Reapers to death as the ending and this game is still going to sell incredibly well. It's their next game that may be effected by the disenchanted fanbase.
#5460
Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:01
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Abram730 wrote...
Tesclo wrote...
Bioware should have asked their fans and the people on this website how they think the game should end. Look at what Paradox does. They ask their players what they want to play and it all works out great. No flame wars, hardly any trolling and things like what's happening right now doesn't happen. Why? Because they give their players what they want not what some corporation that's only out for money wants. That's the disconnect and that's why people are pissed off.
There is a small window when they may look at forums.. then they get too busy to do anything but make the game... I and many others asked for this and they did it..... Nobody was offering anything else other then they were in love with tali, or angry about liara and they fixed that. What ideas did the now angry "fans" offer and ask for? More Love interests? Big bootie hoes? You get that.. Cough cough... Ashley Williams?
They did listen... They did. I asked to see the earth invaded and burning. An epic battle with all races fighting the reapers, relays destroyed, fighting Cerberus and Shepperd dead. I asked for weapon mods and offered a rough system. What did you ask for?
Where were you then?
ME2 I wanted for area specific damage. It made repetively shooting things more interesting. IE better gameplay, but not something people always notice objectively. It's not something people know to ask for but they like it. The fan base grew from the gameplay. The game works as a shooter too.
I think they understand the IP and can keep from painting them self into corners so quickly now.
A 200GB 5 hour game would be quite a corner, due to plot branching. This is a clean slate with a wonderful galaxy to return to.
And who asked for:
- Normandy-crashlanding somewhere in the middle of nowhere?
- No differences in the endings regarding the Mass Relays (they're always gone)
And why did BW not give us a happy ending - there were far more voices for asking for such ending than for "extra stuffing with the females". So to speak.
Just asking, seriously. I kinda concur with the rest of your posting.
Except offending Ash, of course
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:04
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Abram730 wrote...
Tesclo wrote...
Bioware should have asked their fans and the people on this website how they think the game should end. Look at what Paradox does. They ask their players what they want to play and it all works out great. No flame wars, hardly any trolling and things like what's happening right now doesn't happen. Why? Because they give their players what they want not what some corporation that's only out for money wants. That's the disconnect and that's why people are pissed off.
There is a small window when they may look at forums.. then they get too busy to do anything but make the game... I and many others asked for this and they did it..... Nobody was offering anything else other then they were in love with tali, or angry about liara and they fixed that. What ideas did the now angry "fans" offer and ask for? More Love interests? Big bootie hoes? You get that.. Cough cough... Ashley Williams?
They did listen... They did. I asked to see the earth invaded and burning. An epic battle with all races fighting the reapers, relays destroyed, fighting Cerberus and Shepperd dead. I asked for weapon mods and offered a rough system. What did you ask for?
Where were you then?
ME2 I wanted for area specific damage. It made repetively shooting things more interesting. IE better gameplay, but not something people always notice objectively. It's not something people know to ask for but they like it. The fan base grew from the gameplay. The game works as a shooter too.
I think they understand the IP and can keep from painting them self into corners so quickly now.
A 200GB 5 hour game would be quite a corner, due to plot branching. This is a clean slate with a wonderful galaxy to return to.
To be honest, I personally have no problem with the endings. It seems right to me. The problem I have is that alot of what was done in the original 2 games was thrown out the window. Where is Miranda? Right she's probably working for Cerberus... like my character would like to. But see I'm being boxed into a corner being forced to have Ashley instead of Miranda and being forced to fight with Alliance instead of Cerberus. The only problem I have with the ending is that only 3 Li matter. I've also heard rumors that Ashley won't even have dialogue beyond a Zaeed type thing. If that's true or not I don't know.
Where was I? I was on these boards. I had to create a new account becaust I lost my log in info and the email to it. I was on these boards when they launched from the old site. So yes I was here and I remember Chris Priestly saying that this was a place for the team to talk to their fans. That idea went completely out the window. Now you're more likely to be banned for speaking your mind than be listened to by a developer. Whatever though. Bioware doesn't want to listen to their fans. Bioware only listens to EA.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:05
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well with the mass relays gone we might get to invent our own method of galactic travel - see warp travel / jump gates (my fave)
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:05
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Anyone know to what effect the collector base decision has on the story? Seems like squat.
#5464
Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:05
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^same goes for future DLC who will ever buy anything when u still get a crappy ending
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:07
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Rdubs wrote...
Anyone know to what effect the collector base decision has on the story? Seems like squat.
CB kept: you get the human Reaper's brain - which makes the Control Ending easier to achieve.
CB destroyed: you get the human Reaper's heart - which might act as power source in the Crucible.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:08
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The mass relays were jump gates...
It'd be pretty easy to recreate space-travel if we had the corpses of the Reapers around.
It'd be pretty easy to recreate space-travel if we had the corpses of the Reapers around.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:08
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CptData wrote...
And who asked for:
- Normandy-crashlanding somewhere in the middle of nowhere?
- No differences in the endings regarding the Mass Relays (they're always gone)
And why did BW not give us a happy ending - there were far more voices for asking for such ending than for "extra stuffing with the females". So to speak.
Just asking, seriously. I kinda concur with the rest of your posting.
Except offending Ash, of course
Why isn't there an ending where the reapers end like they said there would be.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:09
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*snip*
Yeah. Went into reason mode after being pretty bent out of shape. I've got my setting set up for "head canon" so, i'll be going for the 5k GAW points! I still gotta see this for myself even with what i've learned so far. Decided to edit my giganto post for that reason.
Good luck. Try and stay sane!<3
Yeah. Went into reason mode after being pretty bent out of shape. I've got my setting set up for "head canon" so, i'll be going for the 5k GAW points! I still gotta see this for myself even with what i've learned so far. Decided to edit my giganto post for that reason.
Good luck. Try and stay sane!<3
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:09
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SnakeSNMF wrote...
The mass relays were jump gates...
It'd be pretty easy to recreate space-travel if we had the corpses of the Reapers around.
And what if everyone is running around as husks now? I'm guessing that's not going to be the cannon.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:10
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DifferentD17 wrote...
CptData wrote...
And who asked for:
- Normandy-crashlanding somewhere in the middle of nowhere?
- No differences in the endings regarding the Mass Relays (they're always gone)
And why did BW not give us a happy ending - there were far more voices for asking for such ending than for "extra stuffing with the females". So to speak.
Just asking, seriously. I kinda concur with the rest of your posting.
Except offending Ash, of course
Why isn't there an ending where the reapers end like they said there would be.
Agreed. I should be able to side with the reapers if the series is over. I mean it's almost just as bad to make everything half whatever with glowing eyes.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:13
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marstor05 wrote...
well with the mass relays gone we might get to invent our own method of galactic travel - see warp travel / jump gates (my fave)
Well, it might be just me, but I always relate the jumping/fast travel method of each sci-fi universe with said universe.
Hyperspace effect for Star Wars, Nicely colored jump gates for Babylon 5, Swirly jump gates for Wing Commander series and well, Mass Relays with their "slingshot" effect for Mass Effect.
Using something new will feel out of place.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:14
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Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...
marstor05 wrote...
well with the mass relays gone we might get to invent our own method of galactic travel - see warp travel / jump gates (my fave)
Well, it might be just me, but I always relate the jumping/fast travel method of each sci-fi universe with said universe.
Hyperspace effect for Star Wars, Nicely colored jump gates for Babylon 5, Swirly jump gates for Wing Commander series and well, Mass Relays with their "slingshot" effect for Mass Effect.
Using something new will feel out of place.
Maybe we'll all get lightsabers and Bioware will finally make a Kotor 3?
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:15
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Deludedcon wrote...
So, let's see. A lot of the "endings" have been exposed. Videos have been pulled, but NOT the gameplay. Before blowing up on that about the "space" versions, did this guy REALLY get the "best" ending? Consider this. Are the mutiplayer servers for the main game even up?
Why does multiplayer matter? It shouldn't.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:16
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Just a few remarks
When I listen to the audiofiles of the old man in the end who's talking to the boy it seems as if many years later there still isn't any space travel.
At least in the destroy ending the citadel blows up, so in 1 out of 3 they are dead.
Yes there is a way. You only have to play the singleplayer and solve the sidequests to raise your readiness level.Deludedcon wrote...
If there is a "single" player option to get the best ending, i'm curious to know exactly what that is. If he's supposedly done all this, I take it back...but again, it's something to consider. I have nothing against the people who have the game, I just am not sure how true what is what right now. I mean, what is it that you have to do single player that doesn't involved the GAW/MP to get the "best ending" anyway? Another thought to consider.
Now for some other points. Many have have been saying destroying the relays will ruin the galaxy. At first I jumped at this and felt everything was in ruins and agreed, but after reading up quite a bit of commentary - people are right. Sure, we can't get to the other Star Clusters as easily, especially across the galaxy, but at least on Earth (if Earth IS still there in your playthrough) we are probably close enough to some other worlds that we can get there via FTL. Now the whole deal with all "Reaper" tech being destroyed...it may take sometime, but if you've got enough people working on it to fix it - well, I mean, there is hope. But this is just a throw out, basically to quell some minds. FTL can be fixed and if you've got people with you who have an idea how it works. Say, the people up on the Citadel or the aliens and humans now piddling around on Earth.
When I listen to the audiofiles of the old man in the end who's talking to the boy it seems as if many years later there still isn't any space travel.
Also, despite everything...are the Keepers still alive? They'd fix that thing up anyway even if it is in ruins.
At least in the destroy ending the citadel blows up, so in 1 out of 3 they are dead.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 03:16
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I wonder if people would be in such an uproar if BioWare including another ending, complete with all the rainbows and unicorns (not literally, you get the point), along with the current ones, and then said "the dark one is canonical". Would people still complain then? Knowing the gaming community, I say yes. We all just like to complain endlessly.
