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[-PG-Skyre]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

Thank you Europeans, Aussies and Korea for keeping the thread alive while we were asleep.

Its what we do, Commander o7 (<- That is an emote salute from EVE. Too lazy to do anything else xD)

[nitefyre410]

Feraiin wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Let him rant... he is insignificant. 

Ohhh, we seem to have a Reaper among us! Thanks for the chuckle!

And yes, he is insignificant. He touches our cause, fumbling in ignorance. Unable to comprehend.

 

LOL... yeah that was very  Reaper like but hey its a good way of putting it.  

[Nharia1]

Xyalon wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Psht as if I don't have any from beating up on people with foam swords every weekend? please a little light bashing of my skull with a tv remote, isn't going to do anything to me.... at least I hope it doesnt... 

Larper huh? Cool

Made a Foam Omniblade yet?

Something like that, but I go all out, I wear freaking plate mail... okay this is getting off topic....
:innocent:

[Xyalon]

A quick generic response for all you people who are presented with the "It is art, if you don't like it don't buy it" argument. Just came to me.

When you buy "art" you get to see it first, usually in a gallery. You see the whole, thing, not just a square inch in the corner. You see it, you admire and appreciate it, and then you buy it. No-one buys artwork that they have never seen based solely on the name of the artist or piece itself unless it is for purely for financial reasons. With a game, you buy it, you play it, then you find out what it is like. Once done this cannot be undone. The very nature of your argument is invalid.

[nitefyre410]

Pilzz wrote...

Dont know it this has been posted yet:

www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5695/article/mass-effect-3-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/

Some details I would have loved if they were included in the ending

 

Priestly has stated that this was a fake but i take that with a grain of salt...

I don't buy it all the way but there is no way to prove its not a fake... so just got leave it.

[MysticBinary82]

Nharia1 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...


Wow... now I feel really stupid.... *bashes head with tv remote*

That's how I felt after I played the ending.

What's that say about me..... I just beat it... for the fourth time... :crying::crying: Why do I keep putting myself through that torture!?!

Maybe in the hope you could find something you missed? I miss playing ME very much and I'd like to play the first one but I don't want to hurt myself and I would hurt as hell.

[Queenie4000]

So I've been following this since before the game came out and hoped desperately that there was some ending that I would magically find playing the game that would be satisfying. But, alas...no...

So sad....

Anyways...I don't post often, mostly just try to keep up and read through all the news....

I have a question. I'm seeing some people post that they are changing the endings, however, that is not the take away I got from Ray Muzyka though. Can someone enlighten me?

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Nharia1 wrote...
What's that say about me..... I just beat it... for the fourth time... :crying::crying: Why do I keep putting myself through that torture!?!

It's like watching any movie based on the Titanic's accident.
You secretly hope that sometime the ship won't hit the iceberg.

But it always does.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Queenie4000 wrote...

So I've been following this since before the game came out and hoped desperately that there was some ending that I would magically find playing the game that would be satisfying. But, alas...no...

So sad....

Anyways...I don't post often, mostly just try to keep up and read through all the news....

I have a question. I'm seeing some people post that they are changing the endings, however, that is not the take away I got from Ray Muzyka though. Can someone enlighten me?

I also seek enlightenment because stuff popping up saying they are changing the ending is confusing me, where is this said exactly? 

[DifferentD17]

Xyalon wrote...

A quick generic response for all you people who are presented with the "It is art, if you don't like it don't buy it" argument. Just came to me.

When you buy "art" you get to see it first, usually in a gallery. You see the whole, thing, not just a square inch in the corner. You see it, you admire and appreciate it, and then you buy it. No-one buys artwork that they have never seen based solely on the name of the artist or piece itself unless it is for purely for financial reasons. With a game, you buy it, you play it, then you find out what it is like. Once done this cannot be undone. The very nature of your argument is invalid.

If you listen to a preview of music, another form of art, and it sounds upbeat and happy, you wouldn't think it would turn into death metal in the end.

[nitefyre410]

xHezz90 wrote...

Queenie4000 wrote...

So I've been following this since before the game came out and hoped desperately that there was some ending that I would magically find playing the game that would be satisfying. But, alas...no...

So sad....

Anyways...I don't post often, mostly just try to keep up and read through all the news....

I have a question. I'm seeing some people post that they are changing the endings, however, that is not the take away I got from Ray Muzyka though. Can someone enlighten me?

I also seek enlightenment because stuff popping up saying they are changing the ending is confusing me, where is this said exactly? 

 

Wishful thinking on their part... don't believe it... stay on him . Its just PR talk and him being  very underhanded, trying to "Defend" his staff from  what they feel is an insult.   Because it seems that Bioware is above being critized in the writing and presentation , they feel they can do no wrong.  <_<

[g_bassi13]

xHezz90 wrote...

Queenie4000 wrote...

So I've been following this since before the game came out and hoped desperately that there was some ending that I would magically find playing the game that would be satisfying. But, alas...no...

So sad....

Anyways...I don't post often, mostly just try to keep up and read through all the news....

I have a question. I'm seeing some people post that they are changing the endings, however, that is not the take away I got from Ray Muzyka though. Can someone enlighten me?

I also seek enlightenment because stuff popping up saying they are changing the ending is confusing me, where is this said exactly? 

It wasn't said. It's just a lot of optimisim from some comments made by Ray Muzyka. I felt the opposite. It sounded more like they were wanting to tag on an epilogue to the ending they already have, rather then replace it.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 22 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[N085]

Queenie4000 wrote...

So I've been following this since before the game came out and hoped desperately that there was some ending that I would magically find playing the game that would be satisfying. But, alas...no...

So sad....

Anyways...I don't post often, mostly just try to keep up and read through all the news....

I have a question. I'm seeing some people post that they are changing the endings, however, that is not the take away I got from Ray Muzyka though. Can someone enlighten me?

All i know right now is that nothing is certain. To me it didn't really sound like they will change the endings or at least they don't know yet. Short answer would be. It wasn't a yes but also wasn't a no. I'm going to keep holding the line untill the very end.

[RPGmom28]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...
What's that say about me..... I just beat it... for the fourth time... :crying::crying: Why do I keep putting myself through that torture!?!

Because you're a masochist? nah I'm just kidding, I envy you. Wish I could pluck up the motivation to play it again, especially since the Journey was so amazing 

The combat is so incredibly fun, though. What I'm doing is playing through to the last 15 minutes again and then stopping. I wish I didn't like James so much, or Kaidan's luscious romance (I love the last kiss!), or... yeah, I can't help but be sad they screwed up the end when the rest was so awesome. 

[MeldarthX]

Alikan wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs.....html?poll=4666

we seem to be loosing a bit, but so what?

still over 40% (if You sum 1 and 2 option) want better ending

I don't think Bioware may just "overlook" the concerns of 40% of fans, that would be suicidal for it's business

Its just 1 poll among many and not even close to being the largest one. Most have a very heavy dislike %.

Its also abit strangely set up, at least in my opinion.

Well like any poll - got to vote if you want the results.

[Denethar]

I wake up today and see that Mass Effect 3 is on sale at a big store here in Sweden, 25% off.

[Queenie4000]

@ nitefyre410 - thanks for the info. Didn't think anything had change. Still boycotting MP in ME3.

Also, you guys might be interested in this article, comments on Ken Levines statement about the ME3 endings and what we as fans so "passionately" ask for...

http://www.egmnow.co...fect-3s-ending/

[chmarr]

dear bioware

i am a 37 year old network engineer and i am also an avid gamer, i have bought games on developer promises and good previews.

i have gotten all of the other bioware rpg-type games such as the dragon age series and all of the downloadable content, and also the other mass effect 1 and mass effect 2 games along with all of the other DLC (some how 2 of the other dlc has NOT turned up on my account for mass effect 2).

i pre-ordered the collectors edtion of mass effect 3 because of 3 reasons which are listed here

1)- i have the other 2 games and dlc with them

2)- it is the final of the series (which has now been debunked due to patent and copyright registrations under the bioware / electronic arts name)

3)- the biggest reason by far on why i pre-ordered the game was based on the promises made by bioware staff in interviews guaranteeing things.

"As Mass Effect 3 is the end of the planned trilogy, the developers are not constrained by the necessity of allowing the story to diverge, yet also continue into the next chapter. This will result in a story that diverges into wildly
different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters."
--Casey Hudson

"We wouldn't do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can't say any more than that..."
--Mike Gamble

"Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending. Bioware will not do a 'Lost' and leave fans with more questions than answers after finishing the game."
--Mike Gamble

"Pretty much everything that people want to see wrapped up, or to be given answers, will be."
--Dr. Ray Muzyka

"I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people."
--Mike Gamble

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”
--Casey Hudson

"[The presence of the rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers."
--Mac Walters

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people."
--Casey Hudson

"Of course you don’t have to play
multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in
single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and
same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing."
--Casey Hudson

"Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”
--Caseuy Hudson

these were printed in everything from newspapers, gaming magazines even in live interviews these promises were made.

it is these that we purchased mass effect.

i have also been lucky enough to work part time at CVG in the uk who got a preview version of mass effect 3 and due to an NDA i could not discuss what i had played and what i had seen.

i would want an answer to this, why was the prothean removed from the game and made into day-one DLC when the edtion we recived had it already part of the full version preview game on xbox360.

why was there a 3rd disc for the xbox version which was inacessable without a developer xbox360 console, once installed the disc used 7.4gig of space, that is 7.4 = disc 1, 7.0 gig = disc 2 and the 3rd was 7.4 = gig thats a total of 20.8 gig.

why was there weapons that were only avalible on pc and ps3 in the xbox360 version.

why was a lot of dialog's and cut scenes cut from the retail version and the biggest of all, why is there a lot of side missions removed, some of these side missions were really intresting, such as the asarii and human female who were having an affair, a side mission to either expose them to the human females husband and the assari's life partner, convincing the vol whos talking about sanctuary where you can convince them to go there or to avoid it.

and the one side mission that had me laughing was an interactive game of poker with james in dock with the refugee's, the dialog was funny and a breath of freshair, the other side mission was with the 2 c-sec guards outside purgatory.

the extended dialog narratives at the start, the extended council dialogs in the citidel, the extended dialog with anderson at the end was tear jerking and would have been pivotal.

so many cut-scenes and the extended battle scene when the "retake the earth" battle was movie grade kick ass, how often do you see a heavy damaged sword ship ramming a reaper while shooting its cannons then cut to inside where the camera pans round to show primark victus standing proud and injured shouting "if were going down, were taking these bastards with us" then it cuts to the outside where his ship impacts the reaper and explodes taking the reaper with it.

the normandy doing manuvers that is just pure unadultirated awesomness, joker going hell for leather, garrus in the cockpit on the weapons seat shooting the upgraded thanx cannons, the normandy taking a direct hit from the flying orbs and shakes it off due to the heavy upgraded kinetic shielding (which was exposed by talking to engineer adams),
tali literly ripping parts out of the walls to shut off plasma leaks.
liara using her shadow broker database to hack some of the orbs to fight for them.

the geth fleet taking a pounding and a geth prime standing n the bridge of a dreadnought screaming "FOR LEGION".

the extended battle scene should have been kept in as it would have made the endings have some meaning, also where did the 3rd option come in, the version CVG recived in january 2012 dident even have that option, even with maxed out war readyness, and when did multiplayer play be required to increase the war readyness, i know its a preview version but a single line of coding changed that in retail which i found was bizar and un-needed.

bioware if you removed the content which i have seen from the full game ONLY to sell it at a later date then this is by far the WORST EVER PR STUNT for DLC ever thought of.

not a single game company would remove and entire section of a NECESSARY INTEGRAL part of the game to sell later on.

thats like cutting the last 60 minutes of terminator 2 then telling people "oh yeah you need to pay more to see the ending which you wont see for 2 months"

this has been a PR nightmare for bioware and EA as this has actually effected the fiscal year profits due to the refunds from most of the well known outlets even from EA themself are giving refunds,

this has damaged the reputation of bioware and EA in a really bad way as the "retake mass effect" gains support due to the removal of integral missions and broken promises,

its gotten as far as raising $80,000 for the childs play charity which has gotten a LOT of positive support from stars and other game developers.

we have been called brats, attention ****s, greedy ****s and then be classed as needy spoiled brats by BIOWARE PR STAFF.

just because we are VERY vocal about what we feel about what we know is wrong only to be told "this is art".

as i said i have kept most information of what i have played / seen at CVG offices in the uk about mass effect 3 and the mystery 3rd disc has gotten me annoyied

[Nilofeliu]

honourshield wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

In April Retake Mass Effect 3 movement may face unity issue.

While we are all united about necessity for Bioware to change the endings, many people have different opinions whether hopefully coming DLC is free or we should pay for it.

I fear that Bioware may play with us to crush that unity.

They'll offer us some DLC and vaguely say that it addresses our concerns about total lack of promised endings.

They'll say "it is our response for fanbase protest; buy it for 10$".

Some say "hell with it", some will outright buy DLC.

Bioware might then say that ReME3 is divided, because some of us pay for content, some not.

I fear we have only ONE chance to make it right. If they offer us only some - forgive me saying it - garbage explanation about Godchild and Normandy leaving they will say "we did want You wanted and dealt with the issue, there will no more changes".

What do You think?

It's one thing me and my friend who I frequently discuss this whole mess with worry about. I mean, I can't speak for everyone of course but if Bioware indulge us and give us the ending dlc we want, and if it does cost us money (which I'm suspecting it probably will) then I can't see many not buying it, because lets face it: Most of us want an ending fix.

I just hope that any ending fix they do is going to be sufficiently good enough and address all of the concerns we have. instead of being a text based epilogue that clarifies the ending. >.< I so hope we get more than that if they do an ending dlc.

I hope you are right my friend.

But if BW decides to make the paid DLC just a few lines in an epilogue plus a few scenematics without any real content addition (boss fight, remove AI child add something instead, etc.) hell  will break lose and they will basically be signing the companies death sentence..

It is one thing to s... us over with the original ending and call it "artistic license", but it's another to make an ending because we asked for it, and are paying extra for it, and come up with some piece of junk and then say "you ask for it, now take it".

[beyondsolo]

chmarr wrote...

why was a lot of dialog's and cut scenes cut from the retail version and the biggest of all, why is there a lot of side missions removed, some of these side missions were really intresting, such as the asarii and human female who were having an affair, a side mission to either expose them to the human females husband and the assari's life partner, convincing the vol whos talking about sanctuary where you can convince them to go there or to avoid it.

and the one side mission that had me laughing was an interactive game of poker with james in dock with the refugee's, the dialog was funny and a breath of freshair, the other side mission was with the 2 c-sec guards outside purgatory.

the extended dialog narratives at the start, the extended council dialogs in the citidel, the extended dialog with anderson at the end was tear jerking and would have been pivotal.

so many cut-scenes and the extended battle scene when the "retake the earth" battle was movie grade kick ass, how often do you see a heavy damaged sword ship ramming a reaper while shooting its cannons then cut to inside where the camera pans round to show primark victus standing proud and injured shouting "if were going down, were taking these bastards with us" then it cuts to the outside where his ship impacts the reaper and explodes taking the reaper with it.

the normandy doing manuvers that is just pure unadultirated awesomness, joker going hell for leather, garrus in the cockpit on the weapons seat shooting the upgraded thanx cannons, the normandy taking a direct hit from the flying orbs and shakes it off due to the heavy upgraded kinetic shielding (which was exposed by talking to engineer adams),
tali literly ripping parts out of the walls to shut off plasma leaks.
liara using her shadow broker database to hack some of the orbs to fight for them.

the geth fleet taking a pounding and a geth prime standing n the bridge of a dreadnought screaming "FOR LEGION".

the extended battle scene should have been kept in as it would have made the endings have some meaning, also where did the 3rd option come in, the version CVG recived in january 2012 dident even have that option, even with maxed out war readyness, and when did multiplayer play be required to increase the war readyness, i know its a preview version but a single line of coding changed that in retail which i found was bizar and un-needed.

I am speechless. Utterly speechless. This is probably as devastating as playing through the endings. Ouch.

Modifié par beyondsolo, 22 mars 2012 - 12:33 .

[pikey1969]

xHezz90 wrote...

 If anything should be compared to art it is this.

http://www.gamesrada...-story-telling/ 

[silencemayday]

anyone mind summing up yesterdays events for me?
i read the statement, also just found the article about patrick weekes allegedly commenting on the endings, but now i just feel bummed out anyway.. good thing i finally got myself drunk yesterday evening. (might also have talked someone into starting with me1+me2. not too sure, need to follow up on that. maybe also ask what the hell i've been talking about anyway.)

so, any other news on the front?

[XTiferethX]

Nilofeliu wrote...

honourshield wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

In April Retake Mass Effect 3 movement may face unity issue.

While we are all united about necessity for Bioware to change the endings, many people have different opinions whether hopefully coming DLC is free or we should pay for it.

I fear that Bioware may play with us to crush that unity.

They'll offer us some DLC and vaguely say that it addresses our concerns about total lack of promised endings.

They'll say "it is our response for fanbase protest; buy it for 10$".

Some say "hell with it", some will outright buy DLC.

Bioware might then say that ReME3 is divided, because some of us pay for content, some not.

I fear we have only ONE chance to make it right. If they offer us only some - forgive me saying it - garbage explanation about Godchild and Normandy leaving they will say "we did want You wanted and dealt with the issue, there will no more changes".

What do You think?

It's one thing me and my friend who I frequently discuss this whole mess with worry about. I mean, I can't speak for everyone of course but if Bioware indulge us and give us the ending dlc we want, and if it does cost us money (which I'm suspecting it probably will) then I can't see many not buying it, because lets face it: Most of us want an ending fix.

I just hope that any ending fix they do is going to be sufficiently good enough and address all of the concerns we have. instead of being a text based epilogue that clarifies the ending. >.< I so hope we get more than that if they do an ending dlc.

I hope you are right my friend.

But if BW decides to make the paid DLC just a few lines in an epilogue plus a few scenematics without any real content addition (boss fight, remove AI child add something instead, etc.) hell  will break lose and they will basically be signing the companies death sentence..

It is one thing to s... us over with the original ending and call it "artistic license", but it's another to make an ending because we asked for it, and are paying extra for it, and come up with some piece of junk and then say "you ask for it, now take it".

If they do that then then they will lose me as a fan for good.

[Nharia1]

RPGmom28 wrote...

The combat is so incredibly fun, though. What I'm doing is playing through to the last 15 minutes again and then stopping. I wish I didn't like James so much, or Kaidan's luscious romance (I love the last kiss!), or... yeah, I can't help but be sad they screwed up the end when the rest was so awesome. 

Haha, I'm Liaramancer myself... mm, damn what a fine looking blue girl~! Damn't I want my little blue children now! Not later, now! I was promised Little Blue Children, and I want my gawd damn blue children! They said I would get closure, but no sir, I never got my closure, instead I got some weird little GodChild(StarChild) thing and no closure, just plotholes so big you could fling the enitre Milky Way through them! I mean what's the point for giving such promises, then turn around and give us a lackluster "ending"... 

[Goikiu]

mmm,
read a news article here (Italian) -http://www.spaziogam...s-effect-3.aspx

is only a "link" to the bioware blog last statement.
Well, is only a link but i've read the "italian" comments... talking about 90 comments and so near 60 people who have bought it... (others article on that site have the same statistics) a lot of Italian People think that we are digging our grave... because if we yell "end, end, end" they will make a unfree dlc.

I cannot see intelligence inside those people... they haven't really read the statement... they have only see what they wanted to see.... however i'm sorry for those other italian people....

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