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[AVPen]

AllThatJazz wrote...

AVPen wrote...

Incorrect, the Synergy "Merge" ending is NOT the Perfect Ending (not by a long shot, apparently), nor is it the NG+ Ending (which no one has seen as of yet).

How do you know this? I'm not meaning that question in a horrible 'RAAAWWWRRRR YOU KNOW NOTHING' kind of way, it's a genuine question

According to the source that we're getting these endings information from, the Synergy ending was not consider to be the "perfect ending" that a player could achieve providing that he made the "correct" choices (which would allow you to get the "best" ending in the game with a GAW score of 4000 points instead of 5000 points) in the game, and that the 3 choices you make at the end to choose ME3's ending (Destroy, Control, and Merge) are all presented to the player regardless of your previous decisions in the game.

[_Martyr_]

Also, if Bioware wanted the script gone, it would've been.

[Capeo]

Teredan wrote...

Xayoz wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Actually the "ultimate sacrifice" archetype is the far more prevelant one.

Heh. No.

Depends on what medium of fiction.
Nevertheless I also wouldn't agree that it's the far more prevelant one looking at fiction as a whole.
What I would argue is that it's common enough that I don't get people praising creators for going for that ending on the merit of it being original, unusual etc...

The whole basis of film noir and neo-noir is the unhappy ending as is the vast majority or serious american sci-fi.  Gibson, Dick, etc.

[scotkrow]

Heather Cline wrote...

In Ocarina of Time Link got sent back in time to his past to grow up again after defeating Gannon. So in fact there was a happy ending.

That's not the point there, just the example of everyone celebrating.  (what I got out of it.)

[tanuki]

If those abominations of [supposed] endings are true (which I hope not), are you guys seriously compare that with DA:O endings?
*imagines DA:O endings ME3 style*:



*****kinda spoilers in a sense that it reflects supposed ME3 endings******

1. Warden kills Archdemon and dies, friends and LI are trapped somewhere in the Deep Roads with no chance to find an exit.
2. Warden kills Archdemon and is send forever to the Fade, alone. Friends and LI are trapped somewhere in the Deep Roads with no chance to find an exit.
3. Warden becomes an Archdemon and get control over darkspawn. Friends and LI are trapped somewhere in the Deep Roads with no chance to find an exit.
4. Warden performs the ritual which merges all races in Thedas with darkspawn and dies. No more Blights! Shining new future! Friends and LI are trapped somewhere in the Deep Roads with no chance to find an exit. But now they are partly darkspawn so they can survive somehow;)
Yay.

That said, I really hope for some decent semi-happy end in ME3...

[magnuskn]

eye basher wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

Harvoification wrote...

Why is everyone complaining? You wanted a happy ending where very little is sacrificed? The Reapers continued the cycle for millions of years, stopping them should be a huge sacrifice. It should be sad. There should be no ultimate happy ending where Shepard settles down for retirement with his LI because it just isn't realistic and breaks the immersion and isn't believable.

For those that say "It makes everything Shepard does seem pointless" are illogical. Without the actions of Shepard in ME1 the Reapers would've gained access to the Citadel and all spacefaring life would have been exterminated within centuries.

Shepard broke the cycle. At huge cost, yes, but wasn't that his true goal? To save the galaxy from the Reapers? He did, and saved all future civilizations as well.

What exactly gives you the authority to decide whether a more happy ending is appropiate or not? There has been tons of fiction where you could get a good ending, is all of that fiction wrong? Because you say so?

You are not the sole arbiter of what is good writing and what is not.

And you are like a pot calling the ketle black.

No. I am perfectly happy that there are bad endings and I think the people who want them have every right to get them. It's their right.

It's the other side who hates that we want our own option and just loves gloating that we won't get it. And this anti-choice stance is sickening.

[albertalad]

Happy endings are as common to real life as are unhappy endings - those of us who have invested hundreds of hours in the Mass Effect Universe deserve at least that option. For instance the Reaper need NOT be defeated just bloodied to the point that the cost to themslves (given how difficult it is for Reapers to make new copies of themselves to begin with as shown in ME2) is more than the Reapers can tolerate and still be a formidale force onto themselves. Then the Mass Effect universe would have countless opportunities for more franchizes dealing with the Reapers with other heroes. Moreover, the Galatic community would have been left intact while Earth was devestated - a vicious price to pay for Earth - who must now rely on her colonies as humanity's hope for the future. That at least seems reasonable and as an outcome. Moreover, there is no sane reason Sheppard would be written just to die twice - that was already pulled in Mass Effect 2 and to have Sheppard die again - NOW that's cheezy writing. Having said gthat however, TIM recreated Sheppard and still has ALL the technology to recreate a virtual army of Sheppards. Which is it Bioware? Your writing is sloppy and sappy to say the least among other screw ups - like Ashley jumping in rank to a sudden officer barley under Sheppard, Ashley looking like a lump of plastic with no more expression than a rock. Captian Anderson, once councelor Anderson, now Admiral Anderson while Sheppard did all the diry work and hardly moved in rank at all? Writing off all the great team in ME2 only to dump them. That's really, really bad writing verging on downright silly.

[turian councilor Knockout]

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

yeah your poor dear LI will die a horrible death while the rest of the galaxy just " Ah well you're stranded we've already dismissed that claim" and they slowly fade away from the harsh environment so if you wanna be happy then you damn well take as many reapers with you as you can.

Words to live by.

yes because Bioware already portrayed them next to unbeateble so in a sense a happy ending don't make sense, why should we win if even the protheans failed because it's da fukin shepard 

[RiouHotaru]

Again, I point out the obvious.

It's clear anyone "leaking" the endings is full of it. There'd be huge legal ramifications for anyone who owns a space copy to break NDA since the game isn't even official yet.

I doubt anything they're saying at this point is even remotely true, since the writing in now way follows Bioware's usual style.

[cerberus1701]

Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Xayoz wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...


BW told us, the endings won't make everybody happy.
Truth is: the endings will make everybody sad.

Thats the intent. The endings are supposed to be sad.

Gotta give some props to Bioware for daring to bend the glorious US archetype of 'good guys always win'.

Actually the "ultimate sacrifice" archetype is the far more prevelant one.

To be honest, ALL the possible options (including the fanboy demanded "hearts and flowers, eveything goes on perfectly, Shep gets schools and planets named after him and the galaxy erupts in parades") are well-treaded archetypes.

True.  So give them to us as possible outcomes.

Why?

Because you want them?

So? I want to win the Mega Millions lottery tonight.

Let me let you in on a ME secret: Choice was/is an illusion. It is in ANY RPG. You are and always were confined to acting within the narrative the developers choose.

So, if they think the "Return of the Jedi" ending is stupid, you're not getting it.

[Heather Cline]

The point is that Link the hero still got his happy ending. The same should go for Shepard yeah sure the galaxy is screwed and people are celebrating but Shepard should still get a happy ending living out her/his life with her/his LI even if it's stranded on an alien planet.

[Nerevar-as]

Ashley_82 wrote...

If those abominations of [supposed] endings are true (which I hope not), are you guys seriously compare that with DA:O endings?
*imagines DA:O endings ME3 style*:



*****kinda spoilers in a sense that it reflects supposed ME3 endings******

1. Warden kills Archdemon and dies, friends and LI are trapped somewhere in the Deep Roads with no chance to find an exit.
2. Warden kills Archdemon and is send forever to the Fade, alone. Friends and LI are trapped somewhere in the Deep Roads with no chance to find an exit.
3. Warden becomes an Archdemon and get control over darkspawn. Friends and LI are trapped somewhere in the Deep Roads with no chance to find an exit.
4. Warden performs the ritual which merges all races in Thedas with darkspawn and dies. No more Blights! Shining new future! Friends and LI are trapped somewhere in the Deep Roads with no chance to find an exit. But now they are partly darkspawn so they can survive somehow;)
Yay.

That said, I really hope for some decent semi-happy end in ME3...

I knew the merge ending rang a bell! It´s the Architect plan in Awakening again.

[Treopod]

okay i really shouldnt have entered this topic but since everyone on the internet forums seemed so upset about the endings i had to look, and now i regret it lol.

but anyway, does anyone have a clue what the surprise ending in NG+ is? maybe that changes things dramatically.

[scotkrow]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Again, I point out the obvious.

It's clear anyone "leaking" the endings is full of it. There'd be huge legal ramifications for anyone who owns a space copy to break NDA since the game isn't even official yet.

I doubt anything they're saying at this point is even remotely true, since the writing in now way follows Bioware's usual style.

I love you logic speaker!!!!

[cerberus1701]

"Happy endings are as common to real life as are unhappy endings -"

What a charmed life you've led.

[Teredan]

Heather Cline wrote...

In Ocarina of Time Link got sent back in time to his past to grow up again after defeating Gannon. So in fact there was a happy ending.

Never argued that. Just thought about how a shepard dies ending could be sweetened up.
And even if the OoT were a bad ending the notion of showing the world going on in that manner through the characters that were integral part of the adventure is pretty nice in my opinion.

[Teredan]

Heather Cline wrote...

The point is that Link the hero still got his happy ending. The same should go for Shepard yeah sure the galaxy is screwed and people are celebrating but Shepard should still get a happy ending living out her/his life with her/his LI even if it's stranded on an alien planet.

Not denying that either. I just threw an idea in because many say the endings are bittersweet whereas I don't see them as sweet at all. Just to make an example of a bittersweet ending so to say.

Modifié par Teredan, 28 février 2012 - 05:56 .

[Heather Cline]

Teredan I get your point. My point is Shepard should get to be with her/his LI in the end. That is my point. Even if you get the ending where your crew is stranded on an alien planet, Shepard should at least be with her/his LI. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

[albertalad]

cerberus1701 wrote...

"Happy endings are as common to real life as are unhappy endings -"

What a charmed life you've led.

Well, most of us marry the lady we choose, get a job in the field of our choice, and live longer that an other humans in the history of the world to this point in time. What's not to love about life?

[Teredan]

Heather Cline wrote...

Teredan I get your point. My point is Shepard should get to be with her/his LI in the end. That is my point. Even if you get the ending where your crew is stranded on an alien planet, Shepard should at least be with her/his LI. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

I'm with you on that. Although like I stated earlier I'm not into the romance subplot but hell in game that was about the option of different outcomes give fans as many options as possible.

albertalad wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

"Happy endings are as common to real life as are unhappy endings -"

What a charmed life you've led.

Well,
most of us marry the lady we choose, get a job in the field of our
choice, and live longer that an other humans in the history of the world
to this point in time. What's not to love about life?

Ok even if this is on a tangent and totally unrelated to the experience I have. Just going off some statistics about divorces and such and about how many workers exists for muscle work I have to conclude that this statement is very wrong.

Modifié par Teredan, 28 février 2012 - 06:00 .

[Arch1eviathan]

Treopod wrote...

okay i really shouldnt have entered this topic but since everyone on the internet forums seemed so upset about the endings i had to look, and now i regret it lol.

but anyway, does anyone have a clue what the surprise ending in NG+ is? maybe that changes things dramatically.

Ok, what is "NG+"? You people and your abbreviations!

[turian councilor Knockout]

cerberus1701 wrote...

"Happy endings are as common to real life as are unhappy endings -"

What a charmed life you've led.

Indeed things are great up to a certain point then you're comletely f*cked either way  perhaps that's why so many want to get laid by all ladies in ME and have a happy ending before you reach zero but still it's naive but that's the way BSN works nowadays.

[PretaxAle95]

then there is an ending where shepard survive? or dies because it is stuck in the space?

[Heather Cline]

smecky kitteh that is called New Game Plus. If you ever played Chrono Trigger or Chrono Cross those were the first games in the industry to introduce the New Game Plus feature. In ME1 they had it where after you beat the game the first time around you could do the game again with your Shepard with the exact same level and stats you had from the end of the first play through. ME2 didn't really do that all that well.

That should help.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

Treopod wrote...

okay i really shouldnt have entered this topic but since everyone on the internet forums seemed so upset about the endings i had to look, and now i regret it lol.

but anyway, does anyone have a clue what the surprise ending in NG+ is? maybe that changes things dramatically.

Ok, what is "NG+"? You people and your abbreviations!

The special ending you can get after importing a ME3 save file to start up a second game in ME3. No one, not even a Space Copy person, has played enough yet as it is to know what that ending entails.

Of course many of us want it to be the ending where the Mass Relays are saved and Team Shepard stays intact.