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Goikiu wrote...

It's hard to say... i can only say that italians player (90% of them) don't go here , so i truly cannot say anything about them, i've read some comments on some italian game magazine... better not reporting my "opinion" about them.

back to global:
Some will probably not join the movement now, because they want to wait and see
A lot have already returned their ME3 copyes and haven't joined the movement
Some will probably flee from the movement...

Some can be added to the movement, too...

There are a really huge numbers of variable here... it's hard to say :mellow:


There is always people who do not care too; they finish it, they get mad at it, and since they don't use BSN, they just toss their ME3 copy aside and never touch it again. 
I'm assuming that's what has been happening to most players (especially casual)

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We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...

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The Big Palooka wrote...

It seems like just straight-up oversimplification, that's all.  I'm not sure whether it will help or hurt us, or do either - I feel like if somebody has to hear about it first through their mainstream newspaper or whatever, they probably weren't about to jump on board with Retake anyway.

Dr. Ray's actual statement does concern me, though.  If Bioware comes out in April and announces 'expansion' dlc that doesn't actually change anything, just defends the current endings, I'm worried we'll either A. roll over and take it, or B. not roll over and then be labeled as impossible to please by the gaming press.


Or C, give up on Bioware forever and never buy one of their products again.

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Namz89 wrote...

By the way...does anyone of you think that there still might be the possibility, that BW planned that all along? They planned something like the "Indoctrination Theory" as a PR action - so they can come out after some weeks with the "real" ending, saying - "Ah! Those of you who believed in the "fake" endings have been tricked - "indoctrinated" by us, the rEApers."?
After all interacting with players to that extend would be...totally new and impressive.

They just didn't count on the fans to be that passionate?


I think it's quite possible
At least if i was good at english i could think of this... to make players feel what indocrination is and take big sh... for a while so then everyone to mention me (if i have this (endings beforehand for greater stun )) and at least if i menage to fool around (deceive players about ending) at the end of so great series it will be great. And it will be remembered so Players to pay closer looks on the things they do when they play So Great Series of games as ME.

For me Indocrination theory is quite right (but i admit i couldnt figure it out cause i didn't pay attention i just wanted to finish the game for first time and then as usual in segond replay i go deep into game)

PS.Bad English

PPS. And as i mentioned above for me it if i were BW would be great if some players menage to understand meanigs that i put in the endings :)

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TamiBx wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

It's hard to say... i can only say that italians player (90% of them) don't go here , so i truly cannot say anything about them, i've read some comments on some italian game magazine... better not reporting my "opinion" about them.

back to global:
Some will probably not join the movement now, because they want to wait and see
A lot have already returned their ME3 copyes and haven't joined the movement
Some will probably flee from the movement...

Some can be added to the movement, too...

There are a really huge numbers of variable here... it's hard to say :mellow:


There is always people who do not care too; they finish it, they get mad at it, and since they don't use BSN, they just toss their ME3 copy aside and never touch it again. 
I'm assuming that's what has been happening to most players (especially casual)

I agree with that. It's what I've always done. Until now.

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TamiBx wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...

It seems like just straight-up oversimplification, that's all.  I'm not sure whether it will help or hurt us, or do either - I feel like if somebody has to hear about it first through their mainstream newspaper or whatever, they probably weren't about to jump on board with Retake anyway.

Dr. Ray's actual statement does concern me, though.  If Bioware comes out in April and announces 'expansion' dlc that doesn't actually change anything, just defends the current endings, I'm worried we'll either A. roll over and take it, or B. not roll over and then be labeled as impossible to please by the gaming press.


Or C, give up on Bioware forever and never buy one of their products again.


Well, yes, that's always a valid option, the downside being that it will make me feel really really sad if I have to take it.

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nitefyre410 wrote...

Now we know most gaming  jounarlist would not make it  5 minutes as real journalist. 


No, they would.

At Fox News.

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Back in the fleet and kicking. Hold the line!

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Annaleah wrote...

We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


Omg...<_<

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I think the increasing news coverage has some interesting implications. It may actually help Bioware in the short-term by generating new interest in the series. There may be folks out there who have not played the full series, but decide to investigate it simply to see what all the fuss is about. This, I think, may be a good thing. Generating more interest generates more income, and increases corporate motivation to create additional content. Further, attracting new players after the initial release could mean that, even months from now, even after this movement dies down, new folks will pop on here and ask "So, whatever happened to that alternate/expanded ending you mentioned in March?" All publicity is good publicity.

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Annaleah wrote...

We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


:blink:
Ok, that's... unexpected.

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GameFaq's is hardly a proper source for gamer opinions. That being said we are still in the lead, and keep in mind most of the negative votes are from people who probably haven't played the game nor do they care.

That being said, keep holding that line! Now is not the time to let up pressure, people. Get yourself and your friends invested in this harder than ever! Their lines are breaking, and that is hardly the time for defense.

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The Big Palooka wrote...
It seems like just straight-up oversimplification, that's all.  I'm not sure whether it will help or hurt us, or do either - I feel like if somebody has to hear about it first through their mainstream newspaper or whatever, they probably weren't about to jump on board with Retake anyway.

Dr. Ray's actual statement does concern me, though.  If Bioware comes out in April and announces 'expansion' dlc that doesn't actually change anything, just defends the current endings, I'm worried we'll either A. roll over and take it, or B. not roll over and then be labeled as impossible to please by the gaming press.


We could always pull out the big guns and show them what they promised us would be in the game pre-release. Sure, some of those quotes were made during development so things could have changed, but they were still saying the same things a few months before release - i.e. when the game was out of development and in the manufacturing stage.

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The Big Palooka wrote...
Dr. Ray's actual statement does concern me, though.  If Bioware comes out in April and announces 'expansion' dlc that doesn't actually change anything, just defends the current endings, I'm worried we'll either A. roll over and take it, or B. not roll over and then be labeled as impossible to please by the gaming press.


This. What we would have to do is to be persistant. We would have to always give feedback on the appropirate thread, so please make it constructive.

I guess that there is the slight chance that people will actually start to rebel again, but we would really have to put some work into it.

Give them constructive critic, write in thousands what we have told them until now. They cannot ignore it or defend it with "Artistic freedom". It is simple: "Even if ME is an art, it is a picture made for the customer. And if the customer, or the majority of them doesn't like it, it must be changed."

I would not give so much on the Poll there. It is still 600 against 51.000 on facebook. The polls in the boards here speak numbers. Propably one person who has devoted his time lately to always click "No", or a faked Poll, constructed to always raise a vote when a certain option is choosen.

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Annaleah wrote...

We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


It seems fair for us this. :mellow:

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bigstig wrote...

Personally I am getting a little bored of the whole thing;

We complained about the endings
We complained about no official responses
We complained about the official response
We are now bickering about who is/was right about any possible endings that we don't even know exist.

Bioware have asked us to trust them and I do, trust is a hard thing to gain and an easy thing to lose. They have asked for trust and I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Sure the endings could have been better but after 3 excellent games as a whole I think they deserve some trust. However it is a two way street, if they ask for trust and then don't deliver then they will find it very difficult to regain the trust.

Until we know there is little point speculating if it is/was the right decision to change the endings as we don't know if they are changing the endings. The current status is a scab on the Mass Effect franchise, constantly picking at it means it doesn't get a chance to heal.


I agree speculation over every little thing is pointless. People are grasing at anything that could give them hope, You have to be pragmatic. Either they will do as we ask and we get a redone ending in context of the established lore, or we stop buying Bioware products. Period.

As for 3 excellent games....not sure you could say that. The recent releases were DA II, KOTOR, ME3.

DA II was rushed and a collosal disappointment to many based on what came before. It was marked as DA II, not DA: Here is something different. As such it failed as a "sequal."

KOTOR prompted a stock drop for EA. Investors concerned about long term earnings. Nothing wrong with the game. My friend is a rabid fan and dragged his roomate into it.

ME3 was *mostly* great up until the end. When you look at ME3 and ME2 you can say it's like walking through an empty auditorium. Something is just missing. Maybe its the DLC expansions. Maybe they put too much resources into multi-player for a single-player game instead of releasing it later. Just compare the number of side missions when you land and do stuff to ME2. There is a palpable difference. And then you get to the ending....

Sorry, but ME3 is the third in a string of products that just does not meet the level of quality we have come to expect and demand of Bioware.

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So has anyone noticed how in the galaxy map before Cerberus HQ mission you can hover over 4 unnamed clusters (one of which has Omega in it)? They also have Reapers over them.
Better get my tinfoil hat.

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baronkohinar wrote...

So, folks, what's everyone thinking? Are all these erroneous "endings are definitely getting changed" articles helping us or hindering us? Bypassing how they arrived at that conclusion in the first place (misreading/laziness, reading what they want to believe into it, or another smoke screen), will people think this means things are already resolved (and therefore won't join our movement), or will this actually raise awareness by affording us some public vindication?


I'd imagine it will make it very hard for Bioware not to make some kind of change. They'd appear to be going back on a widely-known and media acknowledged promise. It'd be terrible press. My only concern is that they'll release some sort of "explanation" content rather than new endings. Which would be unacceptable to me - and unacceptable to 89% of their customers.

That's what we need to focus on right now: making it clear that "explanation" content isn't nearly good enough.

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I'm not sure if the blog yesterday by Ray did more damage to us or Bioware by now....feels like it caused so many different reactions and articles.

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Annaleah wrote...

We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


For a start, what they said about The Times is a lie. I get that newspaper and it said nothing of the sort. They merely reported what we were claiming.

Basically anything by Fox News can be regarded as predominantly a work of fiction, followed closely with more self-interested bias than you can shake a politician at.

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LPKerberos wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...
Dr. Ray's actual statement does concern me, though.  If Bioware comes out in April and announces 'expansion' dlc that doesn't actually change anything, just defends the current endings, I'm worried we'll either A. roll over and take it, or B. not roll over and then be labeled as impossible to please by the gaming press.


This. What we would have to do is to be persistant. We would have to always give feedback on the appropirate thread, so please make it constructive.

I guess that there is the slight chance that people will actually start to rebel again, but we would really have to put some work into it.

Give them constructive critic, write in thousands what we have told them until now. They cannot ignore it or defend it with "Artistic freedom". It is simple: "Even if ME is an art, it is a picture made for the customer. And if the customer, or the majority of them doesn't like it, it must be changed."

I would not give so much on the Poll there. It is still 600 against 51.000 on facebook. The polls in the boards here speak numbers. Propably one person who has devoted his time lately to always click "No", or a faked Poll, constructed to always raise a vote when a certain option is choosen.


Someone on facebook already revealed that if you clean your cookies after every vote you can vote as many times as you want on the gamefaqs poll... someone is devoting a lot of time and energy to trolling us...

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Im about to go to bed, but before I do, I have to say this:
We have managed to get one of the largest gaming companies around to take a step back and re-evaluate (EA), we've managed to get the attention of most media networks and we've shown we arent afraid...we've done very well...but beyond that, we seem to overlook something even more amazing. Together, we've managed to come up with around $80,000US for a well deserving charity.

I, for one, am proud to be a Retake member. You should be too.

Hold the line.

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This is my combined opinion on the game itsel right up till the ending, the multiplayer game mechanics and the ending with its planetoid sized plotholes. I will post this to the user reviews also as this fits both threads(User reviews and "so we cant get the ending we want after all") And since it wasnt just the endings, but the whole damn game had a rushed and half assed feel to it. I do not assume i will be dishing out anything new apart my personal experience thus far.

First i would like to start with the new thing in the mass effect series, Multiplayer:

I generally like the multiplayer, I like the unlock options, it gives new things in a nice steady pace and the scenery and graphics in the mission maps go really well hand in hand with the given theme and the sound effects are generally awesome aparts from a couple of annoying ones(like reave sound effect on a constant loop)

But then we get to the really bad things... and theres alot of them.

Lets start with bugs.

There are a **** load of them, and i hate to admit, but i have encountered even more bugs than in the demo itself The physics are unstable at best causing alot of falling through the map or getting pushed outside or above the map.

Many of the weapons are broken( BW WTF why the hell did you nerf FALCON!!!! you didnt even fix it before nerfing) as an example falcon and a couple of other slow firing weapons seems to work on latency basis, falcon for example since after the nerf. sometimes miss fires 2-4 times in row, you see the firing animation, you lose ammo, but no grenade flies out or damage is dealt to enemies, this happens alot in games where you got even a slight delay, since the nerf hit falcon(which wasnt really needed) this bug can result in you shooting for 8 seconds dealing no damage but taking all the hits from enemies in the face.

then some of the skills are broken, but ill take only 2 examples; Example 1. Sabotage sometimes the geth or turret or atlas(this is the first hack that should last the longest time) just stares at you for a second, then proceeds to killing you, despite the fact, hes still hacked, now i dont mean hack when he was already shooting at you, But hack, when he wasnt even facing you or was aware of you -.- Example2. Cloak, sometimes when you manually disable the cloak, to get the cooldown done earlier, or to cloak at a better time, when you hit the cloak after doing this, sometimes doesnt cloak you when you are in cover. leaving you in a nasty spot.

then we have the store... half the time when you purchase something the poor servers cant handle it -.- i dont think it needs anything else to describe the problem, i bet everyone has encountered it by now.

And last as last THE WORST PROBLEM! in the multiplayer Communication, its not that people dont communicate, people just cant communicate, the audio codec used for the voice communication is fo Effing horrible, unless your playing in the same country as everyone else, you cant use it for ****, and even if you do, it leaves every 1/2 or 1/3 words out you talk to your mic, leaving your team guessing what you said, or it just simply doesnt work properly and you are forced to scream to the mic for the damn game to pick up the audio, even that fails most of the time. And since dont have a text based way to communicate ( as was hinted in the demo options, and button for it was removed in retail WTF BW way to **** over your customers) you get one person in propably every 4th or 5th public game that can communicate and the rest of the team just simply does its best to follow the lead.

Now the singleplayer section of ME3

I dont have anything bad to say about the graphics, they serve their purpose and so do the soundscape and music also, BUT! there are alot of other problems in the singleplayer. As someone already wrote before me they left alot of things out of the end product and i would not be surprised, as it seems like a damn rush job to knit the game pieces together. I also liked the how you could purchase everything from the normandys shuttlebay and the semi finished look of the new fitting for the normandy SR-2. Also the loadtimes have been nicely improved compared to the ME1 and ME2.

All in all the graphics, sound, and the general theme and feel of the game is nice untill you encounter a problem -.-

Now to the problems of the SP:

-Idiotic "Do it all button" i think thats self explainatory.

-Bugs oh do we have lot of them ladies and gents, we could sell our bug collection for someone who has a habbit of killing them with ether and pinning em on a cork tablet.

I personally have encountered roughly 17-20 bugs that nearly killed the game for me, but apart from those, there are a handfull that are so obscene they made me stop playing the game for a day or 2. These are in no particular order.

#1. This happened to me several times during the first 1-2 hours of exploring once i was alloved to do so. You go to a new star system, and just happily scan the system for that precious fuel or for the war assets, then the reapers come, you notice that one asset counted for 50% of that systems assets and think that meh, if the reapers catch me ill just resume and scan for the other... well they caught me, i pressed resume and for some ****ing reason, i was only taken to load screen, i thought hmm i propably miss clicked, then i just loaded the latest save(autosave) and i am back on the bridge of the normandy, i noticed it had the credits recovered in the bottom right... i decided to chek my total...
it said 0!!! then i started checking if anything else had gone awry, my imported lv 30 something character, was now all of a sudden... LV1 -.- this didnt stop me, i just loaded an earlier save and continued from a bit earlier state, but it happened again 2 hours later -.- at that point i was just done for the day.

#2. idiotic physics i thought squadmates doing stupid **** was in the past, well i was wrong, it became painfully apparent on the mars mission -.- when it came time to enter the mars facility, james decided it was fun to hug the elevator button and get himself stuck there.... Restart mission. Just one example of how physics can screw you over indirectly in this game.

#3. Broken quests. Some of the quests can be broken, and i was not saved form this either during my first play through of the game, i fell victim to 2 such side missions, first being the hanar diplomat mission, where simply after alloving the spectre acces to the terminals, i go to first terminal, press space on the terminal, i hear one sentence of the dialog, then someone in the backgorund starts talking, and poof.... side mission is as good as dead, terminal cant be activated again, and i cant acces the other 2 terminals no matter what you do. Other side mission being the pillar of strenght, apparently if you accidently push spacebar twice when you go and turn it into the batarianfella, it cuts the dialog, and you lose the pillar, but dont get rewards -.-

Some other problems in the singleplayer campaign:
-You spend 70-80% of the game time scanning, walking on the citadel or normandy listening to people... Guys, bioware.. I thought i bought an RPG action game, not a Social experiment simulation game -.-

-You need to save insanely often to avoid bugs or missed side quests. My first play through saw an excess of 170 save times because of the caution i had to take my friend wasnt as cautious and he paid for it, he missed some quests, or did somethings wrong due to glitches in game mechanics, and still he had 80+ save times on hes play through.

-The Weight system is kinda messed up. How can a small pistol, weigh as much as a shotgun?!?!?!?! Logic the Sci-fi of mass effect.

And now the big bad wolf. Ending(s)

You really cant talk about Endings, Rather an Ending, Over which you have no other influence than you get to choose how the and with what color, does the galaxy get screwed over. I personally did find the Synthesis ending Semi- pleasing as it did not deprive anyone of their free will or life, but enhanced everyone(apart from you being toast and no interstellar travel anymore). I didnt even mind shepard dying. but when a game company has had us the fans, customers the people that provide them with the money for their lavish life style, Fork 100-200 € on both prewious games and DLC's and what not, and then you treat us like little children on the 4th of july(or new years eve depending which you prefer) tell us, we can only have one cute explosion, and we have to pick from one of three colors, then we get all exited about it, and they tell us to watch it from inside behind a window, then right as the rocket wooshes up, you bioware come inside and pull the curtain down so we miss everything.

At the risk of sounding "destructive critic" i will say this, a trained monkey would have left less plotholes and things explained, and he would have still gotten my money from the DLC's. And I believe the community has already shown this, I am
not a huge fan of disney endings, but most of the ending ideas conjured
by the community are way better what the dev team had come up with. Lets just list a few things that a good "artist" would have added to this piece of "art"

They would have:

-explained what happens to the fleets, What happens to Races of the galaxy and how did they react to the color of explosion we chose

-Shown which races picked themselves up from the neck, and started rebuilding, and which races would have succumbed to anarchy and spiraled to extinction after losing their infrastructure. Or which colonies survived.

-What really happened to the crew of normandy.

-What happened to the people you took with you to the beam rush

-What happened to the citadel/crucible after the mass relay weapon was fired since if either of them got broken enough and headed for earth, you can kiss goodbye to life as we know it on earth since an impact that size would lead to an E.L.E.

-How did life in the galaxy evolve to the point it had reached the time when the elderly fella tells a story of shepard for the lil kid. I mean if you take out the reapers and starchild wannabe out of the picture who have been manipulating the way organic life evolves and develops for millions of years, would be nice to know how and what tech. the species's left behind will develop.

-Last but not least(A wild idea). Since the game hints at a hypothesis that the mass relays and mass effect for that matter may only work in our galaxy(EDI hints liara asked her to do analysis on subject related and EDI said it is possible that you can reach an area of space where 1+1 math vise no longer would be 2 but 3 instead) there should be ways to make other kinds of interstellar travel possible. So it shouldnt mean the galaxy is without means to do it for long, especially if you did synthesis, hell everyone is basically now a living computer of sorts and EDI should be able to tap into that resource now unhindered  to do some calculus.

These are just a portion of questions left in the story theres ALOT OF THEM!

conclusion:

Graphics: 9

soundscape: 10

Music: 10

User friendliness: 7½

Replay value: 4

Story: 5½

Controls: 2

Entertainment value: SP 4½ MP 8

overal 5½ out of 10

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Goikiu wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


It seems fair for us this. :mellow:


It has nothing to do with the Republican agenda, so they can afford to be unbiased.