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The Big Palooka

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LPKerberos wrote...

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Dr. Ray's actual statement does concern me, though.  If Bioware comes out in April and announces 'expansion' dlc that doesn't actually change anything, just defends the current endings, I'm worried we'll either A. roll over and take it, or B. not roll over and then be labeled as impossible to please by the gaming press.


This. What we would have to do is to be persistant. We would have to always give feedback on the appropirate thread, so please make it constructive.

I guess that there is the slight chance that people will actually start to rebel again, but we would really have to put some work into it.

Give them constructive critic, write in thousands what we have told them until now. They cannot ignore it or defend it with "Artistic freedom". It is simple: "Even if ME is an art, it is a picture made for the customer. And if the customer, or the majority of them doesn't like it, it must be changed."

I would not give so much on the Poll there. It is still 600 against 51.000 on facebook. The polls in the boards here speak numbers. Propably one person who has devoted his time lately to always click "No", or a faked Poll, constructed to always raise a vote when a certain option is choosen.


Yeah - so far as feedback goes, I feel we've been just about as clear as we can be.  My gut tells me it's going to come down to resources and pride when they decide want to actually change.  Then again, I could be reading into Dr. Ray's statement too hard - I hope.  He could just be saying what was deemed the most comforting (closure and clarity).  But we'll see, I guess.  And until then, we'll hold the line.  And we can't shut up.

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Annaleah wrote...

We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


Pretty much par for the course; only comment on those that want a happy ending and make us sound like whinners. It may already be too late but if we really want to prove we're in the right, we'd do well to hit BioWare on those quotes, making promises about the ending. They never promised us a happy conclusion but they did promise us a lot of other things -- promises they broke. However no one comments on that because it's irrefutably in our favor, thus that's what we need to steer the conversation towards.

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Xyalon wrote...

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We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


For a start, what they said about The Times is a lie. I get that newspaper and it said nothing of the sort. They merely reported what we were claiming.

Basically anything by Fox News can be regarded as predominantly a work of fiction, followed closely with more self-interested bias than you can shake a politician at.


Yeah even though they present both sides of the argument they clearly attempt to make us come across as whiny entitled spoiled brats in the process and the developers as tragic heroes...

but hey! at least they aren't griping about the sex anymore!

Modifié par Annaleah, 22 mars 2012 - 02:35 .


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Apparantly nothing we've done or anyone we've interacted with through three game matters. Oh and we need to open or minds because we're just not getting the big picture.  My brain hurts now.

www.youtube.com/watch

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#55056
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Hmm, can someone please tweet the Gamefaq Poll to the Retake twitter please. Mine isn't working. I'm somewhat curious as to see what happens if a massive flood gets thrown in there and yet the negative votes still outweigh the positive....

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WaffleCrab wrote...

*snip


A great review but please post it in the review section: http://social.biowar...index/9658945/1
Thank you :-)

Wearyanna out :alien:

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Annaleah wrote...

We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


Crap, they went neutral (yeah, I was expecting this). I had hoped they would pick a side. Against us: Well it's just Fox News propaganda supporting conservative values and corporations. With us: Oh, look! Even Fox News is saying BioWare screwed up!

Sure they got some things wrong (The Times didn't report that about the endings, even though it is true), but at least they seem to have done a bit more research than they usually do. That's a good thing rihgt?

The title wording paints us in a minor negative light though. I wouldn't say I'm furious, just... disappointed. Disappointed by the fact that a company I held dear and believed to have integrity would so completely **** me over. Disappointed that they don't acknowledge they lied to us and hide behind "artistic integrity". If that's the route they want to go fine: they can keep their artistic integrity, but if they can't keep basic integrity, then they won't have me as a customer anymore. Sorry, for the rambling rant.

Modifié par LethesDeep, 22 mars 2012 - 02:38 .


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Ohpus wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


It seems fair for us this. :mellow:


It has nothing to do with the Republican agenda, so they can afford to be unbiased.


Yawn, More Fox bashing. How dare they have a different editorial staff than the New York Times.

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Im about to go to bed, but before I do, I have to say this:
We have managed to get one of the largest gaming companies around to take a step back and re-evaluate (EA), we've managed to get the attention of most media networks and we've shown we arent afraid...we've done very well...but beyond that, we seem to overlook something even more amazing. Together, we've managed to come up with around $80,000US for a well deserving charity.

I, for one, am proud to be a Retake member. You should be too.

Hold the line.


^This

#55062
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Let's not get disheartened by neutral newspaper articles, polls and bashing from "critics".

We cannot let it influence our cause. Nothing has changed for us yet, we need to keep it up!

HOLD THE LINE regardless of what they throw at us.

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naes1984 wrote...

Ohpus wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


It seems fair for us this. :mellow:


It has nothing to do with the Republican agenda, so they can afford to be unbiased.


Yawn, More Fox bashing. How dare they have a different editorial staff than the New York Times.


Lets not start this...

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chosen_trekie wrote...
Apparantly nothing we've done or anyone we've interacted with through three game matters. Oh and we need to open or minds because we're just not getting the big picture.  My brain hurts now.
www.youtube.com/watch

Your link is broken.

#55065
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DJBare wrote...

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If Sean Connery says so...

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Annaleah wrote...

LPKerberos wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...
Dr. Ray's actual statement does concern me, though.  If Bioware comes out in April and announces 'expansion' dlc that doesn't actually change anything, just defends the current endings, I'm worried we'll either A. roll over and take it, or B. not roll over and then be labeled as impossible to please by the gaming press.


This. What we would have to do is to be persistant. We would have to always give feedback on the appropirate thread, so please make it constructive.

I guess that there is the slight chance that people will actually start to rebel again, but we would really have to put some work into it.

Give them constructive critic, write in thousands what we have told them until now. They cannot ignore it or defend it with "Artistic freedom". It is simple: "Even if ME is an art, it is a picture made for the customer. And if the customer, or the majority of them doesn't like it, it must be changed."

I would not give so much on the Poll there. It is still 600 against 51.000 on facebook. The polls in the boards here speak numbers. Propably one person who has devoted his time lately to always click "No", or a faked Poll, constructed to always raise a vote when a certain option is choosen.


Someone on facebook already revealed that if you clean your cookies after every vote you can vote as many times as you want on the gamefaqs poll... someone is devoting a lot of time and energy to trolling us...

Not surprising to be honest. most of the immature responses have been from people against expansion of the endings

#55067
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Annaleah wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

Ohpus wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

We've been picked up by Fox News... Not sure what to think of this...


It seems fair for us this. :mellow:


It has nothing to do with the Republican agenda, so they can afford to be unbiased.


Yawn, More Fox bashing. How dare they have a different editorial staff than the New York Times.


Lets not start this...


I'll stop if they stop.:police:

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Are you really going to start bickering over Fox News?, really?

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nitefyre410 wrote...

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Most of the major news outlets will report in a neutral fashion. They're just presenting the news rather than expressing an opinion. Main takeaway is that it has become something that these major outlets are watching and picking up. If the momentum keeps up, they'll soon do their own opinion pieces on it as well.


Which is what real journalism should do...<_<

 

Now we know most gaming  jounarlist would not make it  5 minutes as real journalist. 


5 minutes? I will bet with you they go down under a minute....

/Salute

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Guys for the love of the Citadel, please don't start bringing your various views on whatever news outlets into this. The important thing is that the article is relatively neutral. Move on. On that note, did we confirm whether or not what chmbarr or whatever his name was said about CVG was true?

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Annaleah wrote...

Lets not start this...


Agreed.

#55072
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Nilofeliu wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

SkaldFish wrote...

Most of the major news outlets will report in a neutral fashion. They're just presenting the news rather than expressing an opinion. Main takeaway is that it has become something that these major outlets are watching and picking up. If the momentum keeps up, they'll soon do their own opinion pieces on it as well.


Which is what real journalism should do...<_<

 

Now we know most gaming  jounarlist would not make it  5 minutes as real journalist. 


5 minutes? I will bet with you they go down under a minute....

/Salute


Most gaming journalists can't lie that well.

#55073
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DJBare wrote...

chosen_trekie wrote...
Apparantly nothing we've done or anyone we've interacted with through three game matters. Oh and we need to open or minds because we're just not getting the big picture.  My brain hurts now.
www.youtube.com/watch

Your link is broken.


Sorry about that.  Try this one.



#55074
naes1984

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It seems that Ray's comments can read in a number of ways but that most gaming sites are assuming that they are changing the endings. Am I reading him incorrectly?

#55075
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DJBare wrote...

Are you really going to start bickering over Fox News?, really?


Same thought on my side. Whatever happened to Shepard's "our diversity makes us unique"? Huh? Seriously, people, you may be as far to the left or as far to the right as you want, you may as well be in the very middle or not know where you stand, I have no problem with any of those whatsoever, as long as you hold the line with me. Positive or neutral media coverage is great, no matter the outlet, no matter the audience. 

Or would you rather go back and enjoy ME3's endings, huh?

Modifié par Koobarex, 22 mars 2012 - 02:47 .