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[Denethar]

naes1984 wrote...

It seems that Ray's comments can read in a number of ways but that most gaming sites are assuming that they are changing the endings. Am I reading him incorrectly?

From what I understood they'll add a small epilogue filled with space magic to explain what really can't be explained in any sensible way. I very much doubt they'll change the ending, especially now when people seem to be satisfied because the PR speak came from Ray...

[TSC_1]

Does anyone have any idea how we can make it clear to Bioware that we want actual new endings, not just an explanation? The reason we've got as far as we have is because we created a huge amount of noise in the media. Is that even possible with this?

[BaKaNoOB]

Namz89 wrote...

By the way...does anyone of you think that there still might be the possibility, that BW planned that all along? They planned something like the "Indoctrination Theory" as a PR action - so they can come out after some weeks with the "real" ending, saying - "Ah! Those of you who believed in the "fake" endings have been tricked - "indoctrinated" by us, the rEApers."?
After all interacting with players to that extend would be...totally new and impressive.

They just didn't count on the fans to be that passionate?

I think it's quite possible
At least if i was good at english i could think of this... to make players feel what indocrination is and take big sh... for a while so then everyone to mention me (if i have this (endings beforehand for greater stun )) and at least if i menage to fool around (deceive players about ending) at the end of so great series it will be great. And it will be remembered so Players to pay closer looks on the things they do when they play So Great Series of games as ME.

For me Indocrination theory is quite right (but i admit i couldnt figure it out cause i didn't pay attention i just wanted to finish the game for first time and then as usual in segond replay i go deep into game)

PS.Bad English

PPS. And as i mentioned above for me it if i were BW would be great if some players menage to understand meanigs that i put in the endings

[naes1984]

Denethar wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

It seems that Ray's comments can read in a number of ways but that most gaming sites are assuming that they are changing the endings. Am I reading him incorrectly?

From what I understood they'll add a small epilogue filled with space magic to explain what really can't be explained in any sensible way. I very much doubt they'll change the ending, especially now when people seem to be satisfied because the PR speak came from Ray...

Awesome, that's umm... not what I hoping for from Bioware.

Modifié par naes1984, 22 mars 2012 - 02:47 .

[TerrifiedKiz]

The blacklash reached the Washington Post.

www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/mass-effect-3-creators-address-ending-backlash/2012/03/22/gIQAJS1aTS_allComments.html

[baronkohinar]

naes1984 wrote...

It seems that Ray's comments can read in a number of ways but that most gaming sites are assuming that they are changing the endings. Am I reading him incorrectly?

IMO, best to assume they won't do anything and keep the pressure on rather than pack up, go home, and then a couple months from now ask them where the ending is and have them tell us they never promised us anything, that we simply misread it.

Modifié par baronkohinar, 22 mars 2012 - 02:49 .

[VonVerrikan]

Hendrik.III wrote...

Let's not get disheartened by neutral newspaper articles, polls and bashing from "critics".

We cannot let it influence our cause. Nothing has changed for us yet, we need to keep it up!

HOLD THE LINE regardless of what they throw at us.

Exactly!

Just think of all we've accomplished? It's nothing short of amazing so far. Keep it up! Hold the Line

[LethesDeep]

naes1984 wrote...

It seems that Ray's comments can read in a number of ways but that most gaming sites are assuming that they are changing the endings. Am I reading him incorrectly?

He says they will add "game content initiatives" (fancy phrase for DLC) that provides closure to the endings. He never says if they are changing the endings or just expanding on the current ones.

Personally, if done well, either one would satisfy me. New endings based on their pre-release statements is what we're fighting for, but if we have to do with the current endings just with more dialogue and cutscenes showing how our choices mattered... well, I can live with that. I won't like it as well as option 1, but it will be what it will be.

Modifié par LethesDeep, 22 mars 2012 - 02:49 .

[Cannonarm758]

So I think I wouldn't have spent an hour staring at my screen after beating the game in utter dismay, if the game I had just beaten prior was FFXIII-2 and its other **questionable** ending. If you played it, you know what I'm talking about. Now that I was subjected to both of those endings within 2 weeks.

I remember seeing all the posts come up about the ending, and believe it or not I was able to get through the game without spoiling it. I thought, people must be upset because shepard died and can't respect that. This is how most epics end, with the hero's death. Their entire existence has been solely about this purpose. It shows the ultimate sacrifice to give your future to save others.

I don't mind tragic endings. I don't mind open endings. This ending however did upset me because if you are going to end an epic with a sacrifice, their sacrifice and choices beforehand must also be epic.  As stated countless times, my choices meant nothing. Even in a side mission where you can save the hanaar or the spectre I wrestled with that choice and it was a simple side mission. Everything you accomplished shows for nothing.

Even if all choice was removed, having all of the other choices come back in cut scenes would have been better. If he had to die show everything he influenced after that.

Krogans with families and peace (or if you chose something else, salarians working with them to cure it anyways)
Geth and quarian working together (or not)
Scientists making great discoveries from the reaper base (or not)
Something to do with rachni queen
A special scene for each LI in how they mourn
A massive funeral or celebration.

I was actually expecting more of an open ended kind of ending. Shepard sacrifices himself to weaken or hurt the reapers to even the playing field. It could even end with another huge battle looming, but this time you know we have a chance to win. That way the battle can still continue for a new generation of hero or game. (but give enough closure to our characters)

I don't mind being sad because the ending was tragic and touched me. I don't like feeling sad b/c it wasn't epic and I felt completely detached.

** As a side note, I have nothing against lots of DLC, even pointless stuff. I don't like day one paid dlc but I will live. If endings, or the best endings become paid DLC, I hope someone writes or directs some movie or book and tells people they have to come back 2 months later and pay for the ending. I had a really bad feeling after seeing those 4 seconds were supposed to be very important, and the fact that everything we saw in the end could be of no relevance for a final game is unsettling.**

Modifié par Cannonarm758, 22 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

naes1984 wrote...

It seems that Ray's comments can read in a number of ways but that most gaming sites are assuming that they are changing the endings. Am I reading him incorrectly?

Well its more newsworthy to say bioware to change ending, rather then saying bioware may consider making dlc content changes to claifiy problems with the endings

[mulder1199]

TSC_1 wrote...

Does anyone have any idea how we can make it clear to Bioware that we want actual new endings, not just an explanation? The reason we've got as far as we have is because we created a huge amount of noise in the media. Is that even possible with this?

what's the email address? could we do a mass email campaign later today that's basically all the same thing such as

"An explanation of what happens at the end of ME3 is not what the retake movement is about....we are interested in new, varied endings that weigh in the choices we've made over the course of 2-3 games"

[N7_Sniper91]

naes1984 wrote...

It seems that Ray's comments can read in a number of ways but that most gaming sites are assuming that they are changing the endings. Am I reading him incorrectly?

The fact of the matter is that Ray Muzyka NEVER said he was going to change the endings, only offer CLARITY on the existing ones.

Which, in other words, means he thinks we were too stupid to understand the decidely crappy endings and thinks we should be EDUCATED on how it ended.

There are no new endings, not unless everyone gets the message that Muzyka isn't going to give us what we deserved/were promised and start ramping up the heat on BioWare/EA and making everyone aware that this announcement isn't what they think it is.

Keep fighting. This is not over yet. Hold The Line.

Modifié par N7_Sniper91, 22 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[naes1984]

I think this whole thing must have caught them by surprise so I guess I shouldn't begrudge them for scrambling and putting out confusing and contradictory statements.

[Phoenix NL]

I think we need to give Bioware a little bit of credit. I think they're all too aware that they need to address this properly and not just hand out more of the same.

[TSC_1]

mulder1199 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Does anyone have any idea how we can make it clear to Bioware that we want actual new endings, not just an explanation? The reason we've got as far as we have is because we created a huge amount of noise in the media. Is that even possible with this?

what's the email address? could we do a mass email campaign later today that's basically all the same thing such as

"An explanation of what happens at the end of ME3 is not what the retake movement is about....we are interested in new, varied endings that weigh in the choices we've made over the course of 2-3 games"

contact@bioware.com (Contact Page)

Not a bad idea. I'd be in. I'm also considering sending another letter.

[Nico1503]

Part of the so far silent majority joining the cause.

Willing to wait til PAX, if nothing is announced there to alter the ending....well....there are other companies then EA perfectly willing to take my money.

Until then, holding the line.

[dorktainian]

Hold the Line.

If you dont like the ending you have every right to say so.

Bioware need to remember the customer is always right.

[Phoenix NL]

Also, one of the reasons Dr. Muzyka's statement can be seen as vague is that this does seem to have caught them by surprise. It's going to take time for them to decide on how best to address this so there is nothing that they can say beyond something vague. We'll get a better idea when they have a better idea of how they're going to deal with this.

[Kenkimaru]

Hold the Line!

[LethesDeep]

TSC_1 wrote...

Does anyone have any idea how we can make it clear to Bioware that we want actual new endings, not just an explanation? The reason we've got as far as we have is because we created a huge amount of noise in the media. Is that even possible with this?

Sure. email them this A LOT:

"The Retake ME3 movement is asking BioWare to add multiple, radically different endings to ME3 that take choices the player made throughout the series into account. Before the game's release BioWare promised us 16 radically different endings that took previous player choices into account. These endings would range from a minorly sad, yet happy ending to having the Reapers (the main antagonists) win. The final product does not contain any of this. Furthermore, it has no resolution and has lore inconsistencies. RetakeME3 is asking BioWare to fix these issues and live up to the promises (quoted below) many of us bought the game on. We are also aware that there are some people who enjoy the endings as is. We do not want to tread upon their enjoyment of the series, therefore we ask that if BioWare does fix the endings they release the fix as an optional DLC."

"As Mass Effect 3 is the end of the planned trilogy, the developers are not constrained by the necessity of allowing the story to diverge, yet also continue into the next chapter. This will result in a story that diverges into wildly
different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters."
--Casey Hudson

"We wouldn't do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can't say any more than that..."
--Mike Gamble

"Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending. Bioware will not do a 'Lost' and leave fans with more questions than answers after finishing the game."
--Mike Gamble

"Pretty much everything that people want to see wrapped up, or to be given answers, will be."
--Dr. Ray Muzyka

"I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people."
--Mike Gamble

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”
--Casey Hudson

"[The presence of the rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers."
--Mac Walters

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people."
--Casey Hudson

"Of course you don’t have to play
multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in
single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and
same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing."
--Casey Hudson

"Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”
--Casey Hudson

"In short, RetakeME3 is asking BioWare to provide a number of radically different endings based on choices made throughout the trilogy. All these endings should be possible without multiplayer. They should range from incredably bleak (Reapers win) to fairly upbeat (We win with a small amount of sacrifices consistent to the danger Reaper threat poses, yet we and our loved ones live)"

(sorry for wall of text)

Modifié par LethesDeep, 22 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[TSC_1]

Phoenix NL wrote...

I think we need to give Bioware a little bit of credit. I think they're all too aware that they need to address this properly and not just hand out more of the same.

Well, see, that would require me to trust them to make good content decisions. And they've lost that trust. They'll need to re-earn it. Until then, I'm not just going to assume they'll do this right. I'm going to make very clear what I consider acceptable. And you should, too.

[DJBare]

 Is it just me, or did those top numbers in the gamefaq vote drop? note I've not been keeping a close eye on it.

www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html

[MysticBinary82]

chosen_trekie wrote...

DJBare wrote...

chosen_trekie wrote...
Apparantly nothing we've done or anyone we've interacted with through three game matters. Oh and we need to open or minds because we're just not getting the big picture.  My brain hurts now.
www.youtube.com/watch

Your link is broken.

Sorry about that.  Try this one.

To me it seams that these two guys did not see the big picture. I mean the real picture... ignorance is bliss

[VonVerrikan]

Nico1503 wrote...

Part of the so far silent majority joining the cause.

Willing to wait til PAX, if nothing is announced there to alter the ending....well....there are other companies then EA perfectly willing to take my money.

Until then, holding the line.

Welcome! I truly wish there were less silent ones in this vast majority, though. It makes the fight much more difficult when everyone sits idle and expects us to rally for them

[Tessa09]

naes1984 wrote...

I think this whole thing must have caught them by surprise so I guess I shouldn't begrudge them for scrambling and putting out confusing and contradictory statements.

I completely agree.  My guess is there are actually probably a myriad of opinions and ideas being thrown around the BioWare offices.  There's probably at least as many ideas about what their next move should be as there should have been alternate endings, but BioWare is waiting till it reaches consensus before it commits.