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[J.Random]

Back from work, I see nothing happens here. Thought about that "art" argument Bioware gave us. Well, I'll try to to create analogies here (my english is kinda rusty, so sorry if something will be misspelled).
What if Mass Effect 3 was a...

* Picture. Authors created some picture. They don't sell picture, they sell a right to look at the picture. And we don't see the whole picture before buying it, author just shows us a square inch of this picture and talks about how cool the picture is. When we buy it, we see that part of the picture is macaroni painting.

* Movie. Well, that's kinda straight. We see teasers, trailers and such and go to movie theater. Movie is nice overall, but... the end of the movie looks like it was filmed with ten years old mobile phone (0.3 Mp cameras, anyone?), and shows us some home-made recording of naked people smoking weed.

* Book. We buy this book, it's okay, it tells us the story we like. Just what we expected it to be - until the end, of course. Last ten pages are torn out, and five before that are filled with "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" thing.

* Anything else? It's really should be simple to continue, I guess I get the main principle here.


Well when you buy a real art work, you can see it before you pay for it. Noone will ever sell you anything artistic as a cat in a bag (I don't know if it translates to english like this, that's an old russian saying: "to buy a cat in a bag" means "to buy something which nature/properties/legitimacy you aren't fully aware of"). What we get here is exactly this: not artwork, but "a cat in a bag".

Modifié par J.Random, 22 mars 2012 - 09:10 .

[firstarioch]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Cannonarm758 wrote...

but if Our character is going to sacrifice himself we need more closure and we need to see how our actions shaped the world after the fact. Leaving so much up to guessing leads me to think they can make it all better with ME4.

Thats my beef... why should he sacrificed himself?

Isn't the hero dying as much of a cliche as happy ending?

Was it not unrealistic to have everyone survive the suicide mission?
yet it was a choice. Depending on what you did you could defy the odds.

Im with you so much on that.
Why developers these days want to outdo each other on more artsy fartsy endings.
for tjhe sake of being "different".what nonsense..
We are simple people who want fuflilling endings.Nothing else. I dont get why this is so difficult for them to understand ....

[Temtimtom]

Guys, what's happening. I'm seeing core members quietly disappear from the boards. I'm thinking of Conspicuous Cake, Menthro, unclee and so on.

Not giving me faith, I was pretty much clinging on these guys words.

Hold the line.

[Cannonarm758]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Thats my beef... why should he sacrificed himself?

Isn't the hero dying as much of a cliche as happy ending?

Was it not unrealistic to have everyone survive the suicide mission?
yet it was a choice. Depending on what you did you could defy the odds.

Actually I have no problem with shepard dieing.  I even expected it and would prefer an ok sad ending to a bad happy ending.  

Feeling a sense of loss, and sadness about and ending is much different than feeling like you were betrayed or robbed.  I didn't feel right after the ending.  I have watched shows where someone died that you weren't expecting or didnt' want to, but the emotion portrayed was right, and the writers made sure that there it was probably done.  I have actually gotten mad when some really poignant deaths were reversed by the "reverse" button.

Again tragic endings can be satisfactory.  This ending felt more like a betrayl.  I just didn't feel right.  I kept thinking something is missing, something isn't right, something was hidden.

Pardon the bad analogy but if romeo or juliet had lived, the story wouldn't have been as good nor the overall purpose of the story really driven home.

The purpose of the ME universe was choices matter.  In my ending they didn't.

[WvStolzing]

Any new polls?

We did well on gamefaq.

[Mr Chr15topher]

I can honestly say that I am one of the rare people who liked DA2. I found the copy/paste dungeons annoying, but on the whole I quite enjoyed it. That said, I can still see the things that people didn't like and respect your views. If someone got me into a conversation about why I SHOULD hate the game, I would be able to tell them from my experience of playing through the game why I liked it.

The difference with the ME3 ending and the people who liked the ending is that in a conversation with them on other forums, they have not once been able to provide a good explanation as to why they like the ending other than "It is art" and calling me an entitled whiner.

If you can't provide a proper explanation for defending a story, can you honestly like it?

[Nilofeliu]

Cybermortis wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Bioware needs to trend very carefully. 

I said this, more or less, a year ago with Dragon Age II. In fact I recall stating that ME3 was going to be the last product Bioware could rely on their name to gain sales...and if it didn't live up to the expectations and was rushed they were in deep trouble. Because ME3 was their last chance to regain their dented reputation.

Funny how accurate I turned out to be....

It's all your fault.. You jinxed it..

Back on topic.. you are right, and Bioware is totally clueless on how to handle the entire affair.

I am hoping for the best, but I am also ready for the worst. If Bioware does not provide an ending that has both quality and content, I will just move on. Already gave up on SW:TOR and now it seems, ME3 was my last purchase ever..

/Salute

[Darkwingduck]

I want a happy ending. I've been lurking and occasionally discussing on this thread since around page 800 and I am now deciding I want the rainbows and unicorns. I think I was just on the Liara romance thread too long...

[Mr Chr15topher]

Temtimtom wrote...

Guys, what's happening. I'm seeing core members quietly disappear from the boards. I'm thinking of Conspicuous Cake, Menthro, unclee and so on.

Not giving me faith, I was pretty much clinging on these guys words.

Hold the line.

Many people are simply taking shore leave from the front lines. They have been some of the most active members, meaning that they have probably seen the most critisism from other sites and taking a calming break for a day or two to ensure that they don't blow their cool and harm our progress with a rage post.

Or they just haven't got any updates.

[DJBare]

Temtimtom wrote...

Guys, what's happening. I'm seeing core members quietly disappear from the boards. I'm thinking of Conspicuous Cake, Menthro, unclee and so on.

Not giving me faith, I was pretty much clinging on these guys words.

Hold the line.

Folk need to take a break, while the fight is important, their personal lives are more so, but don't worry, Sean is here with his walther ppk, now straighten up soldier and hold the line.

[Seival]

naes1984 wrote...

DA2 is strike one
Mass Effect 3 Ending is strike 2
Depending on how they handle this whole situation, further botching the ending might be strike 3.

If by botching you mean doing nothing to fix it, then I have to agree.

We need perfect ending DLC. Hold the line!

[Hydralysk]

monimakitten wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Cannonarm758 wrote...

but if Our character is going to sacrifice himself we need more closure and we need to see how our actions shaped the world after the fact. Leaving so much up to guessing leads me to think they can make it all better with ME4.

Thats my beef... why should he sacrificed himself?

Isn't the hero dying as much of a cliche as happy ending?

Was it not unrealistic to have everyone survive the suicide mission?
yet it was a choice. Depending on what you did you could defy the odds.

 
It is as cliche if you ask me. It was also unrealistic Shepard was resurrected from the dead. So why cant he/she survive this

My biggest gripe with that wasn't that they sacrficed Shepard, but rather what they sacrificed him FOR. If you are going to make your hero die for the cause I can accept that, but his sacrifice needs to result in a better world for it to mean anything. Mordin/Thane/Legion all had this, they all made the world a bit better/safer with their deaths. Shepards death only results in either a chain supernova extinction, or blasting the galaxy back to the stone age and kicking off an era of starvation and chaos, depending on how you felt about the mass relays.

[Katsumi Liqueur]

Temtimtom wrote...

Guys, what's happening. I'm seeing core members quietly disappear from the boards. I'm thinking of Conspicuous Cake, Menthro, unclee and so on.

Not giving me faith, I was pretty much clinging on these guys words.

Hold the line.

Conspicuous Cake is still here, he just went to college.

And, yes, I miss Menthro too. Dont remeber unclee, though.

[naes1984]

Seival wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

DA2 is strike one
Mass Effect 3 Ending is strike 2
Depending on how they handle this whole situation, further botching the ending might be strike 3.

If by botching you mean doing nothing to fix it, then I have to agree.

We need perfect ending DLC. Hold the line!

I get the feeling they are going to release some half-hearted explantion of how it all makes sense. That would frankly irritate me more than them doing nothing.

[nitefyre410]

Darkwingduck wrote...

I want a happy ending. I've been lurking and occasionally discussing on this thread since around page 800 and I am now deciding I want the rainbows and unicorns. I think I was just on the Liara romance thread too long...

  

Why can't my  Shepard and Tali  settle down adopt a bunch of war orphans  and live out there days.. Whilsit he teach for Grissim  Acedemy .

Why can't my Femshep  have her chess match with Specaily  Traynor.. Living out the rest of her days happily, keeping an eye Kolyat for  Thane... its what he would have want for her to LIVE DAMNIT. 

Why can;t my other FemShep have all these  little blue Babies with Liara

[Cannonarm758]

Temtimtom wrote...

Guys, what's happening. I'm seeing core members quietly disappear from the boards. I'm thinking of Conspicuous Cake, Menthro, unclee and so on.

Not giving me faith, I was pretty much clinging on these guys words.

Hold the line.

Even though waves can be very powerful, there is always highs and lows.  What makes them effective is how consistent that pattern repeats.

Those that take a break will be back, and those that can will keep marching foward.

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[Egeon]

Temtimtom wrote...

Guys, what's happening. I'm seeing core members quietly disappear from the boards. I'm thinking of Conspicuous Cake, Menthro, unclee and so on.

Not giving me faith, I was pretty much clinging on these guys words.

Hold the line.

Hang on in there Soldier...
Even if one of us leave,  thousands will hold the line in his place...

We are legion, hold the line ....

[Katsumi Liqueur]

I need to go home and take care of my cats, now.

Hoooold the line.

Liqueur out.

[NeverQuiteAwake]

naes1984 wrote...

Seival wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

DA2 is strike one
Mass Effect 3 Ending is strike 2
Depending on how they handle this whole situation, further botching the ending might be strike 3.

If by botching you mean doing nothing to fix it, then I have to agree.

We need perfect ending DLC. Hold the line!

I get the feeling they are going to release some half-hearted explantion of how it all makes sense. That would frankly irritate me more than them doing nothing.

That would feel rather... condescending, wouldn't it? Like, "Oh, you can't figure it out for yourself, this is how you should think."

At least, at this point, I can tack on the indoctrination theory if I wanted to and headcanon my way from there.

[Laterali]

I have a question, since there are only 3 endings and they are all the same basically, does it even matter if we do anything besides run through the main storyline. Like say I have the minimum amount of help from the other races, and do no side missions, no planet scanning, does anything actually change?

Is there a point to doing anything besides just running through the main storyline?

I basically did everything I could except for multiplayer, had the green bar all the way to the right, I think I had around 7000 strength, and everyone in the galaxy dies anyways, what's the point of getting them to help me? Where's the incentive if they all die because the mass relays explode?

Modifié par Laterali, 22 mars 2012 - 09:27 .

[ld1449]

Temtimtom wrote...

Guys, what's happening. I'm seeing core members quietly disappear from the boards. I'm thinking of Conspicuous Cake, Menthro, unclee and so on.

Not giving me faith, I was pretty much clinging on these guys words.

Hold the line.

Because they already more or less gave us a date to expect an answer, April, in other words, PAX. If they don't say a definitive answer by then I'm sure people will be back and up in arms

[donmaciu]

Laterali wrote...

I have a question, since there are only 3 endings and they are all the same basically, does it even matter if we do anything besides run through the main storyline. Like say I have the minimum amount of help from the other races, and do no side missions, no planet scanning, does anything actually change?

Is there a point to doing anything besides just running through the main storyline?

NO... For higher EMS you can just play MP...
That was their plan anyways ;/

[Cannonarm758]

I believe you don't get the 3rd synthetic option, and something awful happens to earth if EMS is too low. Also before the final battle you won't get to talk to side characters you didn't help with in side missions.

[Tessa09]

Laterali wrote...

I have a question, since there are only 3 endings and they are all the same basically, does it even matter if we do anything besides run through the main storyline. Like say I have the minimum amount of help from the other races, and do no side missions, no planet scanning, does anything actually change?

Is there a point to doing anything besides just running through the main storyline?

If as far as changing the ME3 finale... Yes!  You can get a snippet of Shep taking a gasp of air.  So, there's that.