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[Darth Garrus]

Little Miss Angel wrote...

That would feel rather... condescending, wouldn't it? Like, "Oh, you can't figure it out for yourself, this is how you should think."

At least, at this point, I can tack on the indoctrination theory if I wanted to and headcanon my way from there.

Absolutely. I could get over a lot of things. But mark my words. If we get an "explanation" about the endings, I'll never buy another thing from BW.

It's my favorite game developer, I've been buying their games for many, many years, but that would be absurd.

[Darth_Acheron47]

Yesterday, one of my co-workers said that from the way I talk about the ending of the game, it's like I was in a serious relationship and it ended very suddenly and badly. When I really thought about it, it turns out he was kind of right, in a way. I am very seriously invested in these characters and their stories, and to have that come to such a sudden, nonsenscial ending was heart-breaking.

I tried to explain it to him, but all I managed to accomplish was getting my boss to ask me to stop talking about video games at work.

I've had to take something of a break from posting (partly because I needed a breath of fresh air and partly because some of the things I saw on facebook made me so angry I didn't think I could be civil there for a while), but still keeping an eye on the thread and reading articles, voting in polls when they show up.

Also, I think I'm going to get a subscription to Forbes.

[sumo390]

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

Temtimtom wrote...

Guys, what's happening. I'm seeing core members quietly disappear from the boards. I'm thinking of Conspicuous Cake, Menthro, unclee and so on.

Not giving me faith, I was pretty much clinging on these guys words.

Hold the line.

Conspicuous Cake is still here, he just went to college.

And, yes, I miss Menthro too. Dont remeber unclee, though.

Breaks once in a while help, gives more strength to continue the stand and let the "Wahh I hate the movement" people fade away

[Tessa09]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Absolutely. I could get over a lot of things. But mark my words. If we get an "explanation" about the endings, I'll never buy another thing from BW.

It's my favorite game developer, I've been buying their games for many, many years, but that would be absurd.

I somewhat disagree.  Out of curiosity I do want to know what the explanation is.  Maybe it will even be very impressive.  But, an explanation alone is not what I am here for.  I do want alternate endings, one way or another.

[chujwamdotego]

DJBare wrote...

Temtimtom wrote...

Guys, what's happening. I'm seeing core members quietly disappear from the boards. I'm thinking of Conspicuous Cake, Menthro, unclee and so on.

Not giving me faith, I was pretty much clinging on these guys words.

Hold the line.

Folk need to take a break, while the fight is important, their personal lives are more so, but don't worry, Sean is here with his walther ppk, now straighten up soldier and hold the line.

Conspicuous Cake was here earlier today.

Some time off (max few hours ) might be good idea.

[Hydralysk]

Laterali wrote...

I have a question, since there are only 3 endings and they are all the same basically, does it even matter if we do anything besides run through the main storyline. Like say I have the minimum amount of help from the other races, and do no side missions, no planet scanning, does anything actually change?

Is there a point to doing anything besides just running through the main storyline?

I basically did everything I could except for multiplayer, had the green bar all the way to the right, I think I had around 7000 strength, and everyone in the galaxy dies anyways, what's the point of getting them to help me? Where's the incentive if they all die because the mass relays explode?

If you've got at least 3000 EMS you can get all the endings, if you have less the cutscene can change slightly (i.e Big ben blows up) but for all intents and purposes there's no difference in any of the endings.

EDIT: About the mass relays, that's kind of our point, this ending is terrible for the entire galaxy no matter which choice you make.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 22 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[firas333]

Hydralysk wrote...

Laterali wrote...

I have a question, since there are only 3 endings and they are all the same basically, does it even matter if we do anything besides run through the main storyline. Like say I have the minimum amount of help from the other races, and do no side missions, no planet scanning, does anything actually change?

Is there a point to doing anything besides just running through the main storyline?

I basically did everything I could except for multiplayer, had the green bar all the way to the right, I think I had around 7000 strength, and everyone in the galaxy dies anyways, what's the point of getting them to help me? Where's the incentive if they all die because the mass relays explode?

If you've got at least 3000 EMS you can get all the endings, if you have less the cutscene can change slightly (i.e Big ben blows up) but for all intents and purposes there's no difference in any of the endings.

there are also endings that need 4000 or 5000 depending on if anderson doesnt die immeadietly/get shot by TIM

Modifié par firas333, 22 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[Mr Chr15topher]

SSV Dorset signing off for the night.
Hold the line and hope for the best.

[Iucounou]

Temtimtom wrote...

Guys, what's happening. I'm seeing core members quietly disappear from the boards. I'm thinking of Conspicuous Cake, Menthro, unclee and so on.

Not giving me faith, I was pretty much clinging on these guys words.

Hold the line.

We are still here. In my case I may not post as often, or read every post - who can in a thread this large! - but we are watching, here and elsewhere.

I may have returned my game to Amazon, but that does not mean I no longer think the game deserves a better ending, or that I will not continue to support this movement.

Be strong.

[Hydralysk]

firas333 wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Laterali wrote...

I have a question, since there are only 3 endings and they are all the same basically, does it even matter if we do anything besides run through the main storyline. Like say I have the minimum amount of help from the other races, and do no side missions, no planet scanning, does anything actually change?

Is there a point to doing anything besides just running through the main storyline?

I basically did everything I could except for multiplayer, had the green bar all the way to the right, I think I had around 7000 strength, and everyone in the galaxy dies anyways, what's the point of getting them to help me? Where's the incentive if they all die because the mass relays explode?

If you've got at least 3000 EMS you can get all the endings, if you have less the cutscene can change slightly (i.e Big ben blows up) but for all intents and purposes there's no difference in any of the endings.

there are also endings that need 4000 or 5000 depending on if anderson doesnt die immeadietly/get shot by TIM

I didn't mention those on purpose, because in my book 3 seconds of someone's chest and 1 breath doesn't constitute a new ending.

[Dargus007]

I wonder how detailed the stat tracking for single player is.

For pure catharsis, I went and kicked the IGN lady off my ship.

[chujwamdotego]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Darkwingduck wrote...

I want a happy ending. I've been lurking and occasionally discussing on this thread since around page 800 and I am now deciding I want the rainbows and unicorns. I think I was just on the Liara romance thread too long...

  

Why can't my  Shepard and Tali  settle down adopt a bunch of war orphans  and live out there days.. Whilsit he teach for Grissim  Acedemy .

Why can't my Femshep  have her chess match with Specaily  Traynor.. Living out the rest of her days happily, keeping an eye Kolyat for  Thane... its what he would have want for her to LIVE DAMNIT. 

Why can;t my other FemShep have all these  little blue Babies with Liara

We may get our additional happy ending. I'm holding the line with You so I can have one myself.

It's what drives me. As I wrote before people at Bioware have friends and loved ones they care about, so I bet there are many among them who sympathize with us.

Keep faith and hold the line.

[nitefyre410]

Hydralysk wrote...

*snip* 


I didn't mention those on purpose, because in my book 3 seconds of someone's chest and 1 breath doesn't constitute a new ending.

 

Doesn't count as being alive either but people still use that as proof Shepard lives. <_<

Modifié par nitefyre410, 22 mars 2012 - 09:38 .

[galaxidj]

Hydralysk wrote...

I didn't mention those on purpose, because in my book 3 seconds of someone's chest and 1 breath doesn't constitute a new ending.

It does to bioware apperantly lol

[Kyria Nyriese]

After a little more than a week to chew this over in my brain, I finally managed to put my thoughts into words, though I will warn you that it is a bit on the disjointed side, since that's kinda how I write sometimes, especially off the cuff.

What happened to Mass Effect 3

Kyria Nyriese HOLDING THE LINE!

[TSC_1]

Remember, people: now is the time to let Bioware know that we won't be satisfied with anything but new, real, satisfying endings. By this point, they must know that they need to do something. Given the tone of Dr. Muzyka's statement, it may be that they're considering releasing content that tries to explain away the plot holes of the current endings and that gives a little more information about what happens to the crew and the galaxy.

I don't think that's good enough. I want new endings free of plot holes, free of Starchildren, and free of logical contradictions. I want new endings that provide actual closure. I want new endings that allow my Shep to live and reunite with his friends and love interest. I want new endings where Shep fails. I want new endings that leave the mass relays intact. Above all, I want endings that make my choices throughout the trilogy matter.

Anything less is not good enough, and we need to let Bioware know that now, when they are still deciding what to do.

So let them know in this thread. Let them know in the feedback thread. Let them know on Twitter. Let them know by e-mail (contact@bioware.com). Let them know by letter. And, if you haven't yet, vote in this poll.

Modifié par TSC_1, 22 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[Laterali]

What a terrible way for a game that was always about how choices affect the end. Doing nothing extra gets you the same ending as doing absolutely everything. All you get is to speak to some holograms with generic "good luck" dialogue?

It almost seems better to get the least amount of races to help you, that way you don't leave the millions and millions of people stranded in space over Earth to die of starvation or firey explosions after " Saving" the universe. Man, Shepard is the biggest troll ever.

"Hey guys, thanks for helping me, but you're all gonna die. u mad?"

[nitefyre410]

chujwamdotego wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Darkwingduck wrote...

I want a happy ending. I've been lurking and occasionally discussing on this thread since around page 800 and I am now deciding I want the rainbows and unicorns. I think I was just on the Liara romance thread too long...

  

Why can't my  Shepard and Tali  settle down adopt a bunch of war orphans  and live out there days.. Whilsit he teach for Grissim  Acedemy .

Why can't my Femshep  have her chess match with Specaily  Traynor.. Living out the rest of her days happily, keeping an eye Kolyat for  Thane... its what he would have want for her to LIVE DAMNIT. 

Why can;t my other FemShep have all these  little blue Babies with Liara

We may get our additional happy ending. I'm holding the line with You so I can have one myself.

It's what drives me. As I wrote before people at Bioware have friends and loved ones they care about, so I bet there are many among them who sympathize with us.

Keep faith and hold the line.

 

Holding the Line and not going anywhere..

[Hydralysk]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

*snip* 


I didn't mention those on purpose, because in my book 3 seconds of someone's chest and 1 breath doesn't constitute a new ending.

 

Doesn't count as being alive either but people still use that as proof Shepard lives. <_<

While still using the argument "You're just pissed Shepard died!" most of the time, I never got that.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 22 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[Bob3terd]

Dargus007 wrote...

I wonder how detailed the stat tracking for single player is.

For pure catharsis, I went and kicked the IGN lady off my ship.

If they fix the endings i hope one option has a renegade interrupt involving her and an airlock.

[Darth Garrus]

Tessa09 wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Absolutely. I could get over a lot of things. But mark my words. If we get an "explanation" about the endings, I'll never buy another thing from BW.

It's my favorite game developer, I've been buying their games for many, many years, but that would be absurd.

I somewhat disagree.  Out of curiosity I do want to know what the explanation is.  Maybe it will even be very impressive.  But, an explanation alone is not what I am here for.  I do want alternate endings, one way or another.

Unlike the people that disagree with us, and for that attack us viciously, I think you're fine in disagreeing.

But I think that would really be a condescending attitude. Saying: "you guys just didn't get the genius behind our endings". Frankly: calling us stupids.

Even if it's a good explanation, filled with after the end details, would be just proving that the endings were bad. If you have to explain something, is because you couldn't do it the first time. If you wanted to make endings that were pseudo-intellectuals, stick to your guns and say that was all they had to say.

Or give us better endings, or real game continuation. But not patronizing nonsense like "explanation".

That is just my opinion.

[beyondsolo]

I'm not one to spout threats all over the place, but I'm seriously considering not buying anything from BioWare anymore should they not make a better ending or just lazily try to placate the fans with a five minute explanation of the current one.

The reason for that is that there is a deeper issue than the fact that the current ending left me in a state of borderline depression. It's that I deeply cared about the Mass Effect universe and its characters, or rather allowed myself to care about them because I also deal with games on a research basis. I let myself be immersed in the wonderful universe, played all the games, read all the novels, hell I was even working on a fan novel myself before the ending of ME3 robbed me of all spirits to finish it.

At that point the entire Mass Effect universe just fell apart for me. Everything I cared about was made void, all decisions negated by something that I find no other words to describe than a lazy, shallow concept that was poorly written and executed. I won't go into the details about how the ending makes no sense and how it's unworthy of the series (there are enough threads and posts of mine dealing with that). Instead, I'd like to say that the most striking failure of the ending is that it just doesn't care. The ending is so completely detached from everything else in the universe that whoever has written and approved it completely disregarded the rest of Mass Effect, the rest that made the universe so beautiful and engaging in the first place.

Now I am left with the feeling that this is becoming a business model for BioWare. They may care about their projects financially and professionally, but the ending just shows that there is no love left in the writers and developers for the elements that made Mass Effect great. Therefore, it would be best for me to simply not care about their products, mostly in order to prevent myself from experiencing the same I did after finishing ME3.

But what's the point of playing BioWare games if you can't dive into their rich lore and story? What's the point of experienicing their universes superficially? There is none for me. I very much want to love and care about BioWare's work, but what they did with ME3's ending has left me in severe doubt about them caring for that what makes their games great.

Modifié par beyondsolo, 22 mars 2012 - 09:41 .

[notsoavragejoe]

None of the decisions that are made in the previous two games make any difference. All that matters is the final decision, and let me tell you, that kind of sucks. Big time.

[N085]

Don't mean to change the subject but did anyone notice that the planet the Normandy crash lands on is Aite? (Project Overlord)

Modifié par N085, 22 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[Cybermortis]

OK, slowly going blind from going through a 200 page thread on DA2 to try and find exactly what I said about ME3 back then. So far I found this;

At this point I'd say to Bioware;

1; Talk about and address the consistent problems people have been having - not specifically the bugs. Do so in a clear way and don't even try to make excuses if you have clearly missed the mark. Too many interviews and comments passed so far seem to be blaming the games problems on the players, and this isn't going over well. It would be like a car company selling a car with defective brakes blaming drivers for crashing.

2; Silence is not a reply. It is true that just about everything Bioware has said so far has...well shall we just say it hasn't helped and leave it at that. But silence just gives the impression you only care about the money (and yes, you do care about the money since you are a business. But no business that gives the impression of caring only about the money survives long).

3; You need to do something to win back some respect at this point. Whatever you do needs to be something fairly major. You have people trading the game in after some two weeks, others returning the game for refunds and more stating that pre-orders are not going to happen - even for Mass Effect 3 which is probably one of the most looked forward to games of the year. This should be viewed with horror and spur you to go out of your way to make (or appear to try and make) amends.
Even releasing a tool kit so players could tinker with the game might help somewhat, it might help even more if you would be willing to allow the more useful/popular mods to be converted to the consoles and available as free downloads. Sure, you'd get some complaints about the fans having to complete the game for you. But at least they will be holding onto the game and playing it, which might allow them to see the better parts of the game currently hidden under the mess. (I'd also add that the mods being used will give you a very good idea as to the problems and changes the game needed. Something that you might be able to use to justify things to the marketing/account departments).

4; Never again release a game that is clearly unfinished, no matter what the bosses may want. Point out that Bioware is at best on parole, and another rushed release is going to finish off the company.

http://social.biowar...ndex/6568680/56

And history repeats itself....