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[Prince Lex]

Everyone is still holding the line, even if it's only in spirit for the time being. I'm sure the activity will bounce right back up at the weekend anyway, as it usually does.

Real life gets in the way sometimes. Although the ME3 ending actually got in the way of my life for about a week and a half. Tomorrow is the last day of the semester in uni and I have a class test. When that's over with, I'll be here and everywhere else promoting our message

As it stands, no one is going to do this test for me, and if I don't do it, I'll (at least partly) ruin my future... and so I must fight this battle before I return to the war.

Hold the line.

[LethesDeep]

chujwamdotego wrote...

Conspicuous Cake was here earlier today.

Some time off (max few hours ) might be good idea.

What is this thing - break? - that you speak of? My unit doesn't have breaks. We go to college, we sleep, eat, ****, and play, but we always immediately refresh this thread afterwards. We will have no breaks until the DLC we all are asking for is on our hard-drive. And we don't mean the cheap enpilogue/ extra cutscene DLC either!

Modifié par LethesDeep, 22 mars 2012 - 09:43 .

[naes1984]

beyondsolo wrote...

I'm not one to spout threats all over the place, but I'm seriously considering not buying anything from BioWare anymore should they not make a better ending or just lazily try to placate the fans with a five minute explanation of the current one.

The reason for that is that there is a deeper issue than the fact that the current ending left me in a state of borderline depression. It's that I deeply cared about the Mass Effect universe and its characters, or rather allowed myself to care about them because I also deal with games on a research basis. I let myself be immersed in the wonderful universe, played all the games, read all the novels, hell I was even working on a fan novel myself before the ending of ME3 robbed me of all spirits to finish it.

At that point the entire Mass Effect universe just fell apart for me. Everything I cared about was made void, all decisions negated by something that I find no other words to describe than a lazy, shallow concept that was poorly written and executed. I won't go into the details about how the ending makes no sense and how it's unworthy of the series (there are enough threads and posts of mine dealing with that). Instead, I'd like to say that the most stiking failure of the ending is that it just doesn't care. The ending is so completely detached from everything else in the universe that whoever has written and approved it completely disregarded the rest of Mass Effect, the rest that made the universe so beautiful and engaging in the first place.

Now I am left with the feeling that this is becoming a business model for BioWare. They may care about their projects financially and professionally, but the ending just shows that there is no love left in the writers and developers for the elements that made Mass Effect great. Therefore, it would be best for me to simply not care about their products, mostly in order to prevent myself from experiencing the same I did after finishing ME3.

But what's the point of playing BioWare games if you can't dive into their rich lore and story? What's the point of experienicing their universes superficially? There is none for me. I very much want to love and care about BioWare's work, but what they did with ME3's ending has left me in severe doubt about them caring for that what makes their games great.

Just be patient. If they don't rectify the situation, then I'll be right there with you. But give them time. They are probably very surprised by the reaction.

[toffeetrooper]

back in the line

[ld1449]

I don't believe that the Bioware people would have the cojones to try and sell a 5 minute tacked on epilogue of the game along with an "explanation"

That right there is throwing the dirt into the grave they've dug themselves into.

I do believe we will most likely be getting alternative endings to the game. Most likely not to the extent that we would all wish (somewhere between 5 and 10) but at least 3 alternative (REAL alternative) outcomes.

Them giving you a tacked on epilogue and explanation, damn near blatantly calling at least 50,000 of their fanbase idiots, would be suicide. And dozens of other game developers are gonna be laughing their asses off as Bioware goes up in figurative flames for it.

[toffeetrooper]

thought id try a bit of motavating fun( sorry to shakespeare)

This story shall the good gamer teach his son/daugter;
And bioware shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We many, we unhappy many, we band of shepards;
For s/he to-day that holds the line with me
Shall be my brother/sister; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gamers in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their controllers cheap whiles any speaks
That stood with us this terrible day.

[beyondsolo]

N085 wrote...

Don't mean to change the subject but did anyone notice that the planet the Normandy crash lands on is Aite? (Project Overlord)

Can you please provide some sort of evidence for that? I find that claim disturbingly interesting. It would mean that the ending makes even less sense than before. According to the galaxy map it takes 5 relay transfers to get to the Phoenix Massing from Sol....

[KLGChaos]

I'm going to be starting a Mass Effect GURPs tabletop game which starts about a year and half after the first game ends. I have every intention to have the players team up with Marauder Shields to put a stop to Shepard and spare him the Starchild. Then they'll go on to save the universe the way they want to-- by kicking the Reapers to the curb the old fashioned way. Guns and willpower.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 22 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[Cucobr]

Another ending that is not a continuation of Shepard when he wakes up on earth will fail to me.

Because my Shepard wake up. MY SHEPARD WAKE UP.

[Sevantha]

ld1449 wrote...

I don't believe that the Bioware people would have the cojones to try and sell a 5 minute tacked on epilogue of the game along with an "explanation"

That right there is throwing the dirt into the grave they've dug themselves into.

I do believe we will most likely be getting alternative endings to the game. Most likely not to the extent that we would all wish (somewhere between 5 and 10) but at least 3 alternative (REAL alternative) outcomes.

Them giving you a tacked on epilogue and explanation, damn near blatantly calling at least 50,000 of their fanbase idiots, would be suicide. And dozens of other game developers are gonna be laughing their asses off as Bioware goes up in figurative flames for it.

Many of the things they did in this matter would be considered suicide and yet they still did them.

[Spartas Husky]

monimakitten wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Cannonarm758 wrote...

but if Our character is going to sacrifice himself we need more closure and we need to see how our actions shaped the world after the fact. Leaving so much up to guessing leads me to think they can make it all better with ME4.

Thats my beef... why should he sacrificed himself?

Isn't the hero dying as much of a cliche as happy ending?

Was it not unrealistic to have everyone survive the suicide mission?
yet it was a choice. Depending on what you did you could defy the odds.

 
It is as cliche if you ask me. It was also unrealistic Shepard was resurrected from the dead. So why cant he/she survive this

Exactly.

This whole notion that "cliche" endings are bad. Not they are not, what makes them bad is the set up. Like Disney movies space magic wizard solving the problem.... oh wait Bioware decided to have a space wizard to lol

Was everyone surviving the suicide mission unrealistic... hell yeah, but is a reward for busting your balls doing everything right.

[Stigweird85]

I think someone else has mentioned that the planets look similar

Some view it as IT proof I.e. this is shep's mind putting images together from what it has already seen hence the shadow broker ship parts on the citadel etc

Others just view it as a coincidence or assume that we don't know what system they are in so it's safe to which gives us infinite planets on near infinite systems

Modifié par bigstig, 22 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[Valk72]

ld1449 wrote...

I don't believe that the Bioware people would have the cojones to try and sell a 5 minute tacked on epilogue of the game along with an "explanation"

That right there is throwing the dirt into the grave they've dug themselves into.

I do believe we will most likely be getting alternative endings to the game. Most likely not to the extent that we would all wish (somewhere between 5 and 10) but at least 3 alternative (REAL alternative) outcomes.

Them giving you a tacked on epilogue and explanation, damn near blatantly calling at least 50,000 of their fanbase idiots, would be suicide. And dozens of other game developers are gonna be laughing their asses off as Bioware goes up in figurative flames for it.

Well i think they're gonna add at list another ending ( a happy one ) while keeping the catalyst conversation with perhaps some modification and more explanation. Plus an epilogue of course.

Modifié par Valk72, 22 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[Iucounou]

ld1449 wrote...

I don't believe that the Bioware people would have the cojones to try and sell a 5 minute tacked on epilogue of the game along with an "explanation"

I rather think if they go that route, they will tack it on to an already scheduled DLC, perhaps this multiplayer thing that they have mentioned. That way they can see more people than just the MP guys buying it. A low blow, if they do that, but from a bas**rd marketing perspective, it would make sense for them.

There'd be further outcry, of course, but that's no worse than what they have now.

[Iconoclaste]

I read somewhere that the whole ending thing might have been written by only one person at Bioware, without the input of the rest of the team. The article was removed afterwards, but just too late for it to get unnoticed. I'm not going to speculate on the reasons behind any of that, but I think that only one person writing the endings as stated in this vanished article is coherent with the feeling that the endings are "disconnected" from the rest of the story, and from the whole treatment of the series. That, in itself, would be sufficient to debunk the "artist's prerogatives" that customers have "no right to criticize", since the "team" is not involved in the sloppy ending's writing, but only one person's ego. I suspected something like this all along, because the whole idea to "wrap up" the story with such simple and flawed clichés as the God-Child & co. could not possibly reach a consensus among the whole team, being a bunch of very creative and dedicated artists. It does not even reach any kind of consensus among the players, being 'pro" or "cons" in regard of the endings, let alone a few who just rushed through the whole game without reading the Codex entries. This Codex, in ME3, should be more than sufficient for the players who did not play the previous games to show them the inconsistencies in the endings, but I doubt they read the stuff, as I doubt they really understood anything in the endings. And if anyone who does actually "like" the endings and cares to read this, I'm still waiting for a serious and argumented justification of the legitimacy of the actual endings which will fill-in the numerous plot holes and incoherences, to make it a sound decision not to be frustrated or turned off from the experience.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 22 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[finnugor01]

A video from hungary:

http://masseffect.sfportal.hu/

[N085]

beyondsolo wrote...

N085 wrote...

Don't mean to change the subject but did anyone notice that the planet the Normandy crash lands on is Aite? (Project Overlord)

Can you please provide some sort of evidence for that? I find that claim disturbingly interesting. It would mean that the ending makes even less sense than before. According to the galaxy map it takes 5 relay transfers to get to the Phoenix Massing from Sol....

I play on 360 so can't get a screen shot. I'm on AITE right now on ME2 and it's the exact planet, the large birds in the sky and the 2 planets visible from the planet suface. Here is a link to a view from the planet. They seem to be an exact match. lavenderkae.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-2-Aite-Scenic-2-203851310 

[finnugor01]

And some problems from the game:

http://masseffect.sf...ritika-1463.ann

http://masseffect.sf...egerol-1451.ann

[Tessa09]

Iucounou wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

I don't believe that the Bioware people would have the cojones to try and sell a 5 minute tacked on epilogue of the game along with an "explanation"

I rather think if they go that route, they will tack it on to an already scheduled DLC, perhaps this multiplayer thing that they have mentioned. That way they can see more people than just the MP guys buying it. A low blow, if they do that, but from a bas**rd marketing perspective, it would make sense for them.

There'd be further outcry, of course, but that's no worse than what they have now.

Oh, I'd be done with this company.  Seriously.  That would be a worse case scenario I think.

[Spartas Husky]

Valk72 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

I don't believe that the Bioware people would have the cojones to try and sell a 5 minute tacked on epilogue of the game along with an "explanation"

That right there is throwing the dirt into the grave they've dug themselves into.

I do believe we will most likely be getting alternative endings to the game. Most likely not to the extent that we would all wish (somewhere between 5 and 10) but at least 3 alternative (REAL alternative) outcomes.

Them giving you a tacked on epilogue and explanation, damn near blatantly calling at least 50,000 of their fanbase idiots, would be suicide. And dozens of other game developers are gonna be laughing their asses off as Bioware goes up in figurative flames for it.

Well i think they're gonna add at list another ending ( a happy one ) while keeping the catalyst conversation with perhaps some modification and more explanation. Plus an epilogue of course.

Another one?

I hope they put a ton of em. At least 10

What happens to the krogan with and without the cure, hwhow does it play out.
Geth/quarian conflict, how does it play out with and withou rewritting heretics.

How does Samara's Daughters play out if you killed samara for morinth or not.

The list goes on... simply adding a "happy ending" to shut everyone up is just as insulting to those who worked not to get the happy ending.

PS: The whole ordeal of Joker fleeing in the normandy, has to be thrown out the window period, that never happended.

He had enough time to go rescue your crew and then leave the sol system? wtf?
Non of your crew mates would simply cut and run, hell that didn't happen in ME2 collector base why now?
Garrus would never leave ya, your love interest wouldn't either. They said it from the beginning, there is no running away, you fight to the last man because there is nowhere else to run.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 22 mars 2012 - 09:51 .

[Mulberry]

Iconoclaste wrote...

I read somewhere that the whole ending thing might have been written by only one person at Bioware, without the input of the rest of the team. The article was removed afterwards, but just too late for it to get unnoticed. I'm not going to speculate on the reasons behind any of that, but I think that only one person writing the endings as stated in this vanished article is coherent with the feeling that the endings are "disconnected" from the rest of the story, and from the whole treatment of the series. That, in itself, would be sufficient to debunk the "artist's prerogatives" that customers have "no right to criticize", since the "team" is not involved in the sloppy ending's writing, but only one person's ego. I suspected something like this all along, because the whole idea to "wrap up" the story with such simple and flawed clichés as the God-Child & co. could not possibly reach a consensus among the whole team, being a bunch of very creative and dedicated artists. It does not even reach any kind of consensus among the players, being 'pro" or "cons" in regard of the endings, let alone a few who just rushed through the whole game without reading the Codex entries. This Codex, in ME3, should be more than sufficient for the players who did not play the previous games to show them the inconsistencies in the endings, but I doubt they read the stuff, as I doubt they really understood anything in the endings. And if anyone who does actually "like" the endings and cares to read this, I'm still waiting for a serious and argumented justification of the legitimacy of the actual endings which will fill-in the numerous plot holes and incoherences, to make it a sound decision not to be frustrated or turned off from the experience.

This is unconfirmed but honestly the only people denying its true are Bioware.  All evidence points to it being exactly what happened. www.ibtimes.com/articles/318210/20120322/mass-effect-3-ending-spoilers-bioware-forums.htm

[chujwamdotego]

LethesDeep wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

Conspicuous Cake was here earlier today.

Some time off (max few hours ) might be good idea.

What is this thing - break? - that you speak of? My unit doesn't have breaks. We go to college, we sleep, eat, ****, and play, but we always immediately refresh this thread afterwards. We will have no breaks until the DLC we all are asking for is on our hard-drive. And we don't mean the cheap enpilogue/ extra cutscene DLC either!

I stand corrected You are right, screw everything until DLC with happy ending is on HDD.

[galaxidj]

ChipIn has been taken down.
Read about it here

[WvStolzing]

toffeetrooper wrote...

thought id try a bit of motavating fun( sorry to shakespeare)

This story shall the good gamer teach his son/daugter;
And bioware shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We many, we unhappy many, we band of shepards;
For s/he to-day that holds the line with me
Shall be my brother/sister; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gamers in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their controllers cheap whiles any speaks
That stood with us this terrible day.

That's excellent.... let me see if I can do something similar myself.