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[Elanor]

Cucobr wrote...

Another ending that is not a continuation of Shepard when he wakes up on earth will fail to me.

Because my Shepard wake up. MY SHEPARD WAKE UP.

That would be the best option for me too.

[Laterali]

I know everyone has heard the old saying, " If you have to explain the joke, it's not funny."

They really screwed up big time, they added a huge plot element in the "Catalyst" and then didn't bother telling us what the hell it was. Somehow our ground team magically happens on the Normandy, and they happen to be several galaxies away while I'm on the Citadel. Did my team seriously abandon me at the end? including my LI? I can't actually save anyone, I can only make 3 different choices that no matter what, will eventually be mean the death of everyone in the entire universe, since all the relays are destroyed, including all technology in the path of the color changing energy blast.

So anyone in spaceships above Earth is dead, which at this point was probably the majority of what was left of every species.

What was the payoff Bioware? Admit it Bioware, you screwed up. Come out with hat in hand and apologize for blowing it big time. At least take it with some dignity. Then get to fixing it.

I know I couldn't possibly understand the deep complexities of your hidden meanings behind the different colored energy ball, but I think someone needs a little humility at this point.

[firstarioch]

Im still here....
Just preparing phone no of movie stars to attack with our campaign for tomorrow.
Im not going to lie Im tired so as a form of de-stress im having an argument with an IGN fan on their website.Always relaxes..me...
nothing bettter like listening to an ignorant fool...

[Iucounou]

Tessa09 wrote...

Iucounou wrote...


I rather think if they go that route, they will tack it on to an already scheduled DLC, perhaps this multiplayer thing that they have mentioned. That way they can see more people than just the MP guys buying it. A low blow, if they do that, but from a bas**rd marketing perspective, it would make sense for them.

There'd be further outcry, of course, but that's no worse than what they have now.

Oh, I'd be done with this company.  Seriously.  That would be a worse case scenario I think.

I hope so. My role by suggesting this is simply to play Devil's Advocate. In this instance, I think Buyer-Beware (as I now think of Bioware) would believe everyone would be so desperate to get any kind of closure that they'd shell out for something like that.

Modifié par Iucounou, 22 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[Geda173]

galaxidj wrote...

ChipIn has been taken down.
Read about it here

Its really sad. Really really sad.

[HITMAN629]

Here for my daily report, anything new?

[DJBare]

naes1984 wrote...
Just be patient. If they don't rectify the situation, then I'll be right there with you. But give them time. They are probably very surprised by the reaction.

See, I have a problem with this, it's saying all the inhouse testers were happy with the ending, I'm finding that very hard to accept given the backlash we've seen so far, yeah I can accept they will be cheering for their own team, but I cannot believe no one said "hold up guys, this is the ending we're going for?"; even if they happen to miss the massive plot holes(highly unlikely), there is still the question of the very limited choices, and how they negate all other choices throughout the entire series.

Sorry, I have tried and tried over the last week to accept that Bioware wanted it this way, but I cannot, it's just not right.

[beyondsolo]

N085 wrote...

beyondsolo wrote...

N085 wrote...

Don't mean to change the subject but did anyone notice that the planet the Normandy crash lands on is Aite? (Project Overlord)

Can you please provide some sort of evidence for that? I find that claim disturbingly interesting. It would mean that the ending makes even less sense than before. According to the galaxy map it takes 5 relay transfers to get to the Phoenix Massing from Sol....

I play on 360 so can't get a screen shot. I'm on AITE right now on ME2 and it's the exact planet, the large birds in the sky and the 2 planets visible from the planet suface. Here is a link to a view from the planet. They seem to be an exact match. lavenderkae.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-2-Aite-Scenic-2-203851310 

Hmm, I've reviewed the ending and the picture at the end of the link you posted. There definitely are similarities. The flora is similar, though the landscape doesn't seem to match (though that might be a regional variance). There are two planet-like bodies visible in the sky, just like on Aite, but the size doesn't seem to match (the smaller planet/moon in the sky of the crash site is too small compared to the one in Aite's sky).

Ah well, I guess we'll never know.

Modifié par beyondsolo, 22 mars 2012 - 10:00 .

[Benathorn]

Geda173 wrote...

galaxidj wrote...

ChipIn has been taken down.
Read about it here

Its really sad. Really really sad.

It won't load for me. What is it saying? Why did they take it down?

[chujwamdotego]

Geda173 wrote...

galaxidj wrote...

ChipIn has been taken down.
Read about it here

Its really sad. Really really sad.

It's not sad. We gathered 80k USD during short time. If this is anything it is victory, at least for the kids.

[satrack]

IReuven wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Read that, and wait for april. And have hope. And if this time BW will F-up...
Then... "Go out there and give them hell."

Those perfect reviews make me think that the Game Reviewers didn't review correctly the game. I can't believe they all saw that ending and said: '' It's Art, who am I to dislike?'' Makes think twice about spending money on another 9+ game...

Modifié par satrack, 22 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[MetalCargo999]

you know, them not changing the ending doesn't mean they wont add more options to the ending. It means that they're keeping Starchild and the current options as legitimate endings. Keep that in mind, and hold the line!

[Stigweird85]

Curious why would people assume child's play endorsed te petition, more importantly who would put pressure on a charity about it? Something stinks

[naes1984]

Laterali wrote...

I know everyone has heard the old saying, " If you have to explain the joke, it's not funny."

They really screwed up big time, they added a huge plot element in the "Catalyst" and then didn't bother telling us what the hell it was. Somehow our ground team magically happens on the Normandy, and they happen to be several galaxies away while I'm on the Citadel. Did my team seriously abandon me at the end? including my LI? I can't actually save anyone, I can only make 3 different choices that no matter what, will eventually be mean the death of everyone in the entire universe, since all the relays are destroyed, including all technology in the path of the color changing energy blast.

So anyone in spaceships above Earth is dead, which at this point was probably the majority of what was left of every species.

What was the payoff Bioware? Admit it Bioware, you screwed up. Come out with hat in hand and apologize for blowing it big time. At least take it with some dignity. Then get to fixing it.

I know I couldn't possibly understand the deep complexities of your hidden meanings behind the different colored energy ball, but I think someone needs a little humility at this point.

They aren't going to say "Sorry we screwed up." EA wouldn't let them because their stock would drop becasue of jittery investors. What's more likely is that they'll say "Mass Effect has always been about choice so here's DLC to make sure your COmmander Shepherd experience is what you want." Something like that. It is generally not standard business practice for a subsidiary of  a larger company to risk the stock price of the parent.

[Benirus]

Benathorn wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

galaxidj wrote...

ChipIn has been taken down.
Read about it here

Its really sad. Really really sad.

It won't load for me. What is it saying? Why did they take it down?

It's not been taken down, the man that started it just set the end-goal to 80k. It's both a good and bad thing. Now we can say, we reached our goal, we held the line.

[toffeetrooper]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

After a little more than a week to chew this over in my brain, I finally managed to put my thoughts into words, though I will warn you that it is a bit on the disjointed side, since that's kinda how I write sometimes, especially off the cuff.

What happened to Mass Effect 3

Kyria Nyriese HOLDING THE LINE!

well wrote

[Cannonarm758]

I am completely find with Bioware including that as part of the indoctrination. I am even ok with there being the super really real ending where you wake up, fight the ship attacking you as you run to the portal, (because we really should have, awesome fight)get to the base, fight some crazy VI and get your ending.

I'm fine with all that. I'm also fine if they alluded in their releases that the real ending was being withheld on purpose to get people riled up about the possibility of indoctrination. Unfortunately it needs to be not so vague that most people could tell and would spread the internet like wildfire. There could be faux news releases that come out after with inconsistencies that let you know something is up.

I mean withholding the real ending from release for some later super reveal could be an awesome idea....

IF

I don't have to pay for it. I was going to elaborate on this point but I think it is succinct enough.

I really started to think about what they could do with a game where it needs the community as a whole to come together to get the best ending much like we did with our galaxy in the game. That could be one of the greatest moments in gaming history. We all look back on our posts and think I wonder if they meant for this.

Four options

They actually meant for this ending as final
They actually meant for this ending as a faux ending and you can buy the real ending later
They actually meant for this ending as a faux ending where they have the craziest scheme possible to reveal the real ending.
They actually meant for this ending as the real ending where you do get indoctrinated and it is up to later games to fix it.

[Geda173]

Benathorn wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

galaxidj wrote...

ChipIn has been taken down.
Read about it here

Its really sad. Really really sad.

It won't load for me. What is it saying? Why did they take it down?

Hello everyone,

As of today, I have set an end goal for our fundraiser at $80,000.

The very idea that we would even be able to reach that goal was a fever dream only a week ago. I don't believe anyone can or should consider this effort to have been anything but spectacularly successful. As evidenced by the statement from Dr. Myzuka yesterday, we have made our voices heard. Those of you here have taken special care to be heard in a polite, positive manner, and I believe that this is a major contributor to that success.

We have shown our sincerity and passion. We have brought positive attention to the Retake Mass Effect movement.

Make no mistake. This effort has been victorious.

I have been in contact with a manager at Child's Play. First, he wanted to stress how grateful they were for our efforts here, and the huge impact it will have in helping the charity. However, he pointed out that several sources are incorrectly assuming a link between the charity and the petition, or outright support of the petition by the charity. This has been the source of some difficulty for them, and it has been requested that we wind this effort down. Again, I want to stress that the charity is not unhappy with our work, they are exceptionally pleased with what we have accomplished.

There will be conspiracy theorys regarding this. Many of the public statements by Penny Arcade have been dismissive or outright derogatory of our effort. I believe this is a failure on their part to understand our issues, but they are entitled to their opinion. Regardless, I want to stress that I do not believe for one second that this is an attempt by anyone at Penny Arcade to silence this movement.

I also want you all to know I am acting unilaterally in this decision. I have been provided many eloquent arguments against winding down the drive and I appreciate them. In the end, however, I believe that now is the time for this phase of the process to come to an close.

Retake Mass Effect is not over by any means; Dr. Myzuka's statement was welcome, but did not directly address our concerns. You have been heard. Now it is time to make sure they get the details right

I will be taking a break from BSN for a time. My sincerest thanks to everyone who has supported this effort whether through donations, publicity, or kind words.

I hope to soon have an archive of the comments here available at www.wewillholdtheline.org.

To everyone here - my thanks, and I saulte you.

Sincerely,

Robb

[TSC_1]

TSC_1 wrote...

Remember, people: now is the time to let Bioware know that we won't be satisfied with anything but new, real, satisfying endings. By this point, they must know that they need to do something. Given the tone of Dr. Muzyka's statement, it may be that they're considering releasing content that tries to explain away the plot holes of the current endings and that gives a little more information about what happens to the crew and the galaxy.

I don't think that's good enough. I want new endings free of plot holes, free of Starchildren, and free of logical contradictions. I want new endings that provide actual closure. I want new endings that allow my Shep to live and reunite with his friends and love interest. I want new endings where Shep fails. I want new endings that leave the mass relays intact. Above all, I want endings that make my choices throughout the trilogy matter.

Anything less is not good enough, and we need to let Bioware know that now, when they are still deciding what to do.

So let them know in this thread. Let them know in the feedback thread. Let them know on Twitter. Let them know by e-mail (contact@bioware.com). Let them know by letter. And, if you haven't yet, vote in this poll.

Self-bump.

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[Hendrik.III]

Signing out for the evening.

Just wanted to say that we only need $425 to reach the $80k in our main weapon, the Child's Play fund. Let them know we care! Come oooon!

[N085]

beyondsolo wrote...

N085 wrote...

beyondsolo wrote...

N085 wrote...

Don't mean to change the subject but did anyone notice that the planet the Normandy crash lands on is Aite? (Project Overlord)

Can you please provide some sort of evidence for that? I find that claim disturbingly interesting. It would mean that the ending makes even less sense than before. According to the galaxy map it takes 5 relay transfers to get to the Phoenix Massing from Sol....

I play on 360 so can't get a screen shot. I'm on AITE right now on ME2 and it's the exact planet, the large birds in the sky and the 2 planets visible from the planet suface. Here is a link to a view from the planet. They seem to be an exact match. lavenderkae.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-2-Aite-Scenic-2-203851310 

Hmm, I've reviewed the ending and the picture at the end of the link you posted. There definitely are similarities. The fauna is similar, though the landscape doesn't seem to match (though that might be a regional variance). There are two planet-like bodies visible in the sky, just like on Aite, but the size doesn't seem to match (the smaller planet/moon in the sky of the crash site is too small compared to the one in Aite's sky).

Ah well, I guess we'll never know.

I just thought they looked remarkably similer. 

[WvStolzing]

TSC_1 wrote...
I don't think that's good enough. I want new endings free of plot holes, free of Starchildren, and free of logical contradictions. I want new endings that provide actual closure. I want new endings that allow my Shep to live and reunite with his friends and love interest. I want new endings where Shep fails. I want new endings that leave the mass relays intact. Above all, I want endings that make my choices throughout the trilogy matter.

Anything less is not good enough, and we need to let Bioware know that now, when they are still deciding what to do.

Another self-bump, in 100% agreement:

- We do not want the story of ME3 to come to an abrupt stop, at a Diabolus Ex Machina (the Starchild). We want events in the endgame to follow logically from previous events. We do not want to see the rules of the game changed in its final moments. To change the rules of a game is to change the game. We do not want to see an arbitrary----and radical----change in the Reapers' motivations, from what we know from ME1 and 2. We want to see our war assets actively contributing to the effort, having an impact in the course of events. We want the fate of our ship and crew to fit cogently in that course of events.

- We are not asking for further 'explanation' as to the appearance of the Starchild, the Mass Relays getting destroyed, and the Normandy getting stranded. The problem is not that we are failing to understand any of these. We are not asking BioWare to justify the ending as it stands. We do not think that this is possible. The protagonist of the endgame is utterly out of character, and he is in a state of complete disregard as to all that he has done since Eden Prime: We cannot recognize that person to be Shepard; he or she has to be an impostor. We ask that the final role of the Catalyst and the Crucible be rethought. Perhaps scrapped altogether.

- These are very general outlines, that make no 'positive' prescriptions; they rather lay out the necessary constraints under which BW ought to rewrite the end. We are not petitioning for any specific ending. We are petitioning only for an 'ending framework' that is logically sound.

- BioWare's job should be to make that framework rock-solid, and give us the chance to 'write our bit of the end' in terms of it. That's ALL we are asking.

[Benathorn]

Benirus wrote...

Benathorn wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

galaxidj wrote...

ChipIn has been taken down.
Read about it here

Its really sad. Really really sad.

It won't load for me. What is it saying? Why did they take it down?

It's not been taken down, the man that started it just set the end-goal to 80k. It's both a good and bad thing. Now we can say, we reached our goal, we held the line.

Ah, ok thanks for the clarification, but hey 80k is a lot and we reached our goal.

[naes1984]

Geda173 wrote...

Benathorn wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

galaxidj wrote...

ChipIn has been taken down.
Read about it here

Its really sad. Really really sad.

It won't load for me. What is it saying? Why did they take it down?

Hello everyone,

As of today, I have set an end goal for our fundraiser at $80,000.

The very idea that we would even be able to reach that goal was a fever dream only a week ago. I don't believe anyone can or should consider this effort to have been anything but spectacularly successful. As evidenced by the statement from Dr. Myzuka yesterday, we have made our voices heard. Those of you here have taken special care to be heard in a polite, positive manner, and I believe that this is a major contributor to that success.

We have shown our sincerity and passion. We have brought positive attention to the Retake Mass Effect movement.

Make no mistake. This effort has been victorious.

I have been in contact with a manager at Child's Play. First, he wanted to stress how grateful they were for our efforts here, and the huge impact it will have in helping the charity. However, he pointed out that several sources are incorrectly assuming a link between the charity and the petition, or outright support of the petition by the charity. This has been the source of some difficulty for them, and it has been requested that we wind this effort down. Again, I want to stress that the charity is not unhappy with our work, they are exceptionally pleased with what we have accomplished.

There will be conspiracy theorys regarding this. Many of the public statements by Penny Arcade have been dismissive or outright derogatory of our effort. I believe this is a failure on their part to understand our issues, but they are entitled to their opinion. Regardless, I want to stress that I do not believe for one second that this is an attempt by anyone at Penny Arcade to silence this movement.

I also want you all to know I am acting unilaterally in this decision. I have been provided many eloquent arguments against winding down the drive and I appreciate them. In the end, however, I believe that now is the time for this phase of the process to come to an close.

Retake Mass Effect is not over by any means; Dr. Myzuka's statement was welcome, but did not directly address our concerns. You have been heard. Now it is time to make sure they get the details right

I will be taking a break from BSN for a time. My sincerest thanks to everyone who has supported this effort whether through donations, publicity, or kind words.

I hope to soon have an archive of the comments here available at www.wewillholdtheline.org.

To everyone here - my thanks, and I saulte you.

Sincerely,

Robb

They're continuing to get money for their charity. Why would they even care about this controversy enough to want you to wind down?