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[Xyalon]

I'm sorry, but all this has left a vile taste in my mouth.

This started off as a BW loyalist movement, pleading with them to do something about what we thought were sub-par endings and give us either closure or more choice or both.

The gaming media leapt to the aid of their sponsors and slammed us into the dirt. Meanwhile the conventional press tried to present an unbiased view of the situation.

Fans started rallying to both sides, and from what I have been able to discern, although there were unsavoury characters on both sides, just as there were civil, it has been rather obvious that most of the poisonous and verbally aggressive people were either independent of the movement or against it right out. Most counterarguments I have seen from both "critics" and fans have been offensive, ranging from veiled insults to straightforward abuse.

This, in turn, prompted fans on both sides, those with less composure, to lose their self control and ensue in a general slagging match. Each side grew as people joined in just for the sake to swear and argue and insult people they will never meet. Despite our insistence that people remain civil, and despite our members doing so, others have used our banner, our flag, as rallying point around which to nurture hatred and bile.

The culmination of this has led to an innocent bystander, a charity of all things, to refuse money freely given for fear of being brought into the fray and used as ammunition on either side. Yes. we may have promoted the fact that we were giving money to charity to punctuate our statements and demonstrate our resolve, but we never even insinuated that they supported us. We supported them in their work to do good.

To all those who lost their rag on both sides, shame on you. For those against us, I hope you are happy that you have had such an effect on an independent company that you so criticised us for having on BioWare. And for those who claimed to be on our "side", not only have you let down your companions and your comrades, you have let down the side of civilised debate and dialogue and re-enforced our "whiny gamer" label.

If it wasn't for the fact that I still believe in what we are doing, I would completely disavow myself from this movement as a mark of disgust against what people have used it for. If the gaming community has only this to offer then all we stand for is meaningless. If this is what our demographic will always devolve into over matters such as this, then we might as well be given mass produced trash from now on for all I care, because that's is all we are worth.

BioWare, Child's Play, I cannot speak for my colleagues, but I apologise to you both on behalf of those who are too puerile to do so, on behalf of those who chose to inflict discomfort and hurt rather than engage in dialogue. I only urge you to remember that there are still some of us out here, some of your loyal fans, who are not like baying dogs.



I'm sorry, I know that most of you in this thread have been the picture of civility and have held the line with pride and dignity. This was not aimed at you and you should be able to see that. I am just so angry and ashamed right now, I had to find some sort of catharsis.

[Computim]

Aiden_Cora wrote...

Computim wrote...

Let's all remember that Bioware has been pretty darn patient with us the last week. We've started a boycott drive ON THEIR FORUMS lol. We pretty much condemned them and ran a massive PR Media Campaign ON THEIR FORUMS. I don't know about you but that's pretty insane.. if I owned a store and you showed up and started doing that I'd probably have just called the cops.

Keep the vitriol out of the comments please. Let's not become what the media has accused us of being. We've gotten what we wanted, lets show them that we CAN be happy and we're not just ranting anti-authoritarians who complain about everything just to do it.

We did nothing that was not allowed here on the forums. going as far as to reprimend some more radical members of the movement. Patience has nothing to do with it. 

• These forums are for BioWare, video game and related topic discussion and are to be engaged in a pleasant and fun manner. These forums are run by BioWare and Electronic Arts for the promotion of our games and communicating to our customers and Community members. The topics and subjects discussed here should focus around BioWare and our games, video games in general and other related topics. These forums are not for discussing other topics such as politics, sex or adult topics, religion, etc. Topics or discussions may be closed at the discretion of staff and volunteer moderators.

You read the same ToS I did? haha  We've pretty much been so far outside of "pleasant and fun" for the past two weeks that I'm surprised they WERE as patient with us as they were.. it's THEIR property,

• Using these forums is a privilege, not a right. While we continue to value all of our customers and fans, participation in the BSN and engaging with staff and like-minded community members is - to be abundantly clear – a privilege, and not a right. Members may continue to discuss and critique our games and products in a civil manner, but any form of discussion targeted at an individual will not be tolerated. New and existing members who cannot adhere to the code of conduct, or maintain a civil demeanor at all times, are encouraged instead to contact customer support for any game related issues they may have.

Modifié par Computim, 22 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[Jere85]

DJBare wrote...
I for one have the humility to thank Bioware for allowing this thread to continue, anyone else?

This.

[Brass_Buckles]

I don't know if anyone else saw the tweet this morning regarding the ending from @masseffect. I saw it on the datapad app.

Basically they said that they were going to "preserve the artistic integrity" of the game.

In other words, we're not getting the ending that the game deserves. We might get some clarification or something, but we're stuck with an ending that doesn't fit the game it ends. It's not artistic. It's incongruous.

After I read that tweet, I was bummed out all morning. I'd been holding out some small amount of hope, still, despite the odds. I'm sure that they will announce something, but it's not going to be good news for us.

So all we can do is keep pushing. Let's hope that other fans of the series will join us as they beat the game. Because Mass Effect 3 could have been great. It was great, right up until the ending.

But now I'm having to head canon my Shepard's story ending with Anderson. As they watch Earth, the Crucible fires. And depending on my mood, the energy manages to kill Shepard in the process, or Shepard dies after seeing it activate, or someone comes to rescue her when they notice the Reapers falling, and it's too late--or just in time. Also the Mass Effect relays remain intact.

Seriously, if they wanted to continue the franchise, why did they destroy the Relays? It's not as if they hadn't said in the past that they were going to make further games. This was supposed to be the end of Shepard's story, not the end of the entire ME universe.

Excuse me for the rant, but I'm still feeling betrayed and mournful. RIP Mass Effect franchise.

Before that tweet I'd actually considered that, if they dealt with the situation well and I found their future games to be "safe" after reading every spoiler I could, I might play them. But now? They'd have to do something really surprising like actually build on the indoctrination concept and give us a real ending (which they've already pretty much said they aren't doing) before I'd consider it.

I still want to be a Bioware fan, but I'm not sure if I can.

[MysticBinary82]

I just wanted to post this here, it is a videorepond from a ME customer to Dr. Ray Muzyka.



Hold The Line (In hope not to brake any rule)

Modifié par MysticBinary82, 22 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[Stygian1]

omg, I just thought of the coolest way to incorporate a boss fight for harbinger.

What if you crashed the Normandy into him, then the last part of the game involved you actually inside of Harbinger busting s---- up and hearing him scream at you. It could be timed and it could have the whole "even the wall and ceiling want to kill you" feel.

Idk just popped into my head and sounded really fun to play haha.

[MeldarthX]

Wait when did they shut down the charity; and how??

[bluespart]

You know what I hate about this mess right now? Bioware not making any real statements and keeping up the smoke screen.

Every single they said can be sumed up as "We are listening". It's nice to be told that, but so far we haven't seen any single sign you are actually listening to us. No wait there was one. Ms. Merizan was. But even then, she couldn't tell us much. No one is bothering to tell us what's going on in the background so we have no choice but speculate and dissect everything that is said in the hopes of catching a glimpse of what is happening behind closed doors. That's why we feel so betrayed.

We know some people haven't played the game yet. Now stop using them as an excuse and take the time to start a dialogue. So far it feels like us trying to tell them something important and them going "lalalala can't hear you!"

[B.Shep]

LethesDeep wrote...

If this thread goes down I'll just start up "So we can't get the endings we want after all 2.0". I've saved the quotes from the Prerelease Dev quotes thread (in case anything happens to that thread) as well as the updated list Mr. Connery keeps posting for newcomers. If this thread goes down we'd be back up and operational inside of 5 minutes.

Seconded
As long we keep civil they have no reason to lock this thread.

[B33ker]

Mandemon wrote...

Okay, anyone who wan't to know why it was shut down here is the reason:

Chris Priestly said...


Ok, this thread has gone on long enough.

We are open to valid criticism, but there are far too many lies and outright falsehoods here such as the ridiculous accusation that we buy reviews. That is enough BioWare/EA abuse. The thread is now closed.



LOCKDOWN!

I guess only EA/BW are allowed to lie and spread falsehoods.  They didn't like us infringing on their market. 

[Computim]

MeldarthX wrote...

Wait when did they shut down the charity; and how??

They didn't.  The guy who started it did.  He left a nice message about needing a break on the page.

[Jetfire99]

Jere85 wrote...

DJBare wrote...
I for one have the humility to thank Bioware for allowing this thread to continue, anyone else?

This.

Agree here totally. They are letting us use the forums here. We need to be civil, now hearing why the PR thread was killed? It had got quite messy in there it seems. :/

[TamiBx]

Jere85 wrote...

DJBare wrote...
I for one have the humility to thank Bioware for allowing this thread to continue, anyone else?

This.

I agree. But I'll only tell them that when I get the new ending/explanation/whatever they are doing 

I mean, can't be too nice right now or they might think we don't need anything anymore...

[G Kevin]

DJBare wrote...
Please take note, this is the truth, privately owned forum have never been nor will ever be a democracy, I for one have the humility to thank Bioware for allowing this thread to continue, anyone else?

I thank Bioware for allowing this thread as well.

[Chatboy 91]

Xyalon wrote...

I'm sorry, but all this has left a vile taste in my mouth.

snip

I'm sorry, I know that most of you in this thread have been the picture of civility and have held the line with pride and dignity. This was not aimed at you and you should be able to see that. I am just so angry and ashamed right now, I had to find some sort of catharsis.

Alright, I completely agree with your sentiments, but I'm just curious, what the hell happened? I've been out of the loop lately.

[LTBK]

Geda173 wrote...

You just gotta love Forbes:

http://www.forbes.co...re-it-was-cool/

-> http://blogs-images..../03/shepard.jpg

Haha, I lol'ed at the Shep's image. My Shep would agree with that (which means no renegade punches to Forbes!).

[NeverQuiteAwake]

Jere85 wrote...

DJBare wrote...
I for one have the humility to thank Bioware for allowing this thread to continue, anyone else?

This.

Thirded. To anyone working at Bioware currently reading this, thank you. I can't imagine what it would feel like to hear our displeasure. I certainly know I would feel hurt, at the very least, so thank you for your calm attitude towards us.

Modifié par Little Miss Angel, 22 mars 2012 - 11:28 .

[Cybermortis]

DJBare wrote...
It would be better if someone could provide us with another forum, this site has a rule about starting a thread on a topic that's closed.

Give me 5 minutes...

[toffeetrooper]

DJBare wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

Reminder;

The staff at Bioware who are responsible for maintaining and moderating these boards have been very, VERY professional and tolerant of this thread. This is Bioware's board, and it is their rules here - there is no 'right to free-speech' - and they would have been well within their rights to lock things down long before now. They haven't because we have managed to keep things civil, polite and remain calm - lets keep things that way please.

Please take note, this is the truth, privately owned forum have never been nor will ever be a democracy, I for one have the humility to thank Bioware for allowing this thread to continue, anyone else?

me

[chmarr]

ok lets get this straight.

1)- we requested an alternet ending or addtion to ME3 because we in short....got the finger multiplied by 2

2)- we raised $80,000 but this was stopped due to "pressure" from an outside group ~coughcough~ bioware lawyers and PR ~coughcough~ (its the only way they would distance themself from us~

3)- we made worldwide news in over a dozen diffrent high end news corps (CNN, BBC, FOX just to name a few)

4)- we remained civil, polite and well mannered (abet 1-2% went off kilter into deep end rage madness and possible 2-3% just went on a full on rant triade then went for a coffee)

5)- we are now being attacked personally by staff who are feeding misinformation to media groups, this MIGHT be a breach of contract by EA/Bioware and MIGHT be a breech in data protection and POSSIBLE invasion of privicy (some news storys have mentioned certain things that can only be gotten if they were given that information without permission)

6)- (this part is pure speculation) bioware is waiting untill april to talk to us, the reason behin this is because of PAX on april 6th, here they MIGHT announce an "epiloge" DLC package and MIGHT price it at 400MSP as it does NOT add any new gameplay or add any new content, this part is certain, bioware will announce a new package for multiplayer and new packages for singleplayer (multiplayer package was outed and screen shots were shown, the multiplayer pack is alredy on disc)

7)- the "ending" i personally feel was a setup by bioware, THINK ABOUT IT, an ending that has more holes in it than swiss cheese being blasted by a chaingun.

i PERSONALLY think they took the final missions from the game so they could release it at a later date and the ending with the pop up "keep the legend of shepard alive through DLC" this i feel was clever wording in part of a lead writer who is known to be a total f***wad.

i think were all being suckered, i really think bioware planned all this BUT it backfired on them and now there doing heavy damage control (which includes contacting a CHILDRENS CHARITY and telling them a bunch of lies about "retake mass effect")

8)- IF and its a big IF bioware did indeed have anything to do with the charity ALMOST refusing the money then bioware AND EA have went to new depths of low, IF its EVER uncovered they are then EA and BIOWARE are in for a world of hurt, many companies have went bust because of intimidating charities so yes PRAY this is not the case.

9)- i still think garrus should have been an option for a maleshep romance, who wouldent want these 2 best buds in arms to literly be in each others arms, i'm straight and i would hit on garrus like a rash on a babys arse.

10)- the current state of RME is starting to breakdown, we are now seeing people become tired of the bickering and they are now at a point where there ready to bow to biowares will and whim.
the moment bioware or ea smell a weakness they will go for it at full throttle with a knife and slit our throats.

we need to stay strong, we need to reinforce our resolve,
we need to HOLD THE LINE






and eat cookies and drink coffee, and go pee and shower and sleep and eat and get laid

[Jason76]

G Kevin wrote...

I thank Bioware for allowing this thread as well.

I second that. 

[Benirus]

Xyalon wrote...

*snip*

Well written and you're right... It's a damn shame that it's come to this.

I've said this from the start, I want to belive in Bioware. I want this to turn out right.

[Diablos2525]

It maybe a priviledge to post here, but in reality the other option is Bioware bans thousands or tens of thousands of users who are unhappy about their Deus Ex Machina ending, creating a PR and Marketing ****storm.

Yes we should be respectful and constructive but stop giving us that line that posting here is a priviledge, it's true but the power swings both ways.

[Yuoaman]

I also thank Bioware for allowing us to discuss this, they could just as easily lock it all down.

[Xyalon]

Cybermortis wrote...

DJBare wrote...
It would be better if someone could provide us with another forum, this site has a rule about starting a thread on a topic that's closed.

Give me 5 minutes...

Heehehe, flood Gamespot forums anyone?