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[RussianOrc]

Signing off for the night fellows.Until tomorrow.
Stand fast.
Stand strong.
Stand togheter.

Hackett out.

Modifié par RussianOrc, 23 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[Mythandariel]

Epic addendum buy that guy with the awesome radio voice.

[-PG-Skyre]

WvStolzing wrote...

Shameless self-bump:

I actually did try getting an RMA from amazon, but couldn't; here's why:

To return, or not to return, that is the question:
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The plotholes, and starchilds of outrageous endings,
*snipped the rest to make the post smaller*

Thats pretty damn good.
I'm sick atm, so couldnt focus on all of the 2nd half, but from what I read....thats a very good job

[Darth Garrus]

cinderburster wrote...

This is a fantastic post.  I'm not just quoting to say that, however.  I would like to add that when I took a creative writing class, the teacher gave us a great way to offer constructive criticism while being concise and to the point.

Tell them what you liked, too.  Don't just point out the bad things.  People need to know what they did right just as much as they need to know what they did wrong.  Focus on the good first; that will make them more receptive to your criticism.

I think that's what Dr. Muzyka meant by constructive criticism.  Destructive criticism focuses only on the bad and uses language that makes people want to shut down and not listen.

Most of us agree that there were things about the game we loved--we wouldn't be here if there wasn't.  Let some of that love show when you make your case.

I agree with the post you quoted. We actually talked about similar things here before. And I agree that we must show constructive criticism.

But let's be honest with some things:

- There are people that will never offer constructive criticism. OK. They should be listened, but their criticism doesn't need to be taken to the planning of a new ending/DLC/Whatever.

- There are people who are hurt, and need time to go from criticism with too much pain into it, to constructive criticism. And this kind of thing BW should take into consideration. They have to try to understand their buyers, and fans of their games. And that leads me to my last point:

- BW is hurt, and is very defensive right now. It's just natural. But as we must understand it, without stopping to do our part, they also have to understand it, and realise they have to move on. Stop being so defensive, and actually take the criticism into consideration. Even what they were too sensitive to accept. Separate what's useless from the useful. But really try to take thing into consideration. Don't just form a hard shell of hurt feelings and avoid all criticism.

And I think it's about time they acknowledge that we don't have a way of knowing how they are doing it. It's time to open some real channels to talk about it. Give some clues, and stop being so secretive. The process is becoming a little too shadowy to really be called a "great fans-developers relation". Like they were once proud of, and damn right they should have been. Hope they become again.

They must understand that we are here out of love, not hate.

Modifié par Darth Suetam, 23 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[DJBare]

Cot time, ciao for now folks, keep it civil and hold the line!

[Computim]

WvStolzing wrote...

Shameless self-bump:

I actually did try getting an RMA from amazon, but couldn't; here's why:

To return, or not to return, that is the question:
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The plotholes, and starchilds of outrageous endings,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of nonsense,
And by opposing, change it: to uninstall, to return
No more; and by returning, to say we end
The heart-ache, and the thousand forum posts
That the Eye is fettered to? 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To uninstall, to return,
To return, perchance to get a refund; Ay, there's the rub,
For in that resignation, what 'canon' may remain to us,
When we have given up this will to resist,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes Calamity of so long a wait:
For who would bear the Whips and Scorns of reviews,
IGN's wrong, gamefaq's Contumely,
The pangs of despised fandom, the blog's delay,
The insolence of tweeters, and the Spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his Quietus make
With a bare RMA? Who would forums moderate,
To grunt and sweat under pyramid quotes,
But that the dread of what would remain of ME,
The mindless jungle planet, from whose bourn
No Traveller returns, Puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have,
Than fly to others that we know not of.
Thus Conscience does make Cowards of us all,
And thus the Native hue of Resolution
Is sicklied o'er, with the pale cast of Thought,
And the enterprise of authorizing a return,
With this regard its Current turns awry,
And loses the name of Action.

This is really good!  You have a talent
I think it's fascinating the mirroring between so many different peoples' stories on here.  I went through a lot of the same feelings you're saying earlier this week.
We really are a united group of completely different backgrounds.

[KLGChaos]

[quote]Harthouse wrote...

[quote]cinderburster wrote...

   I really think (hope) that most of the people in the Retake movement are only a part of it because we love Mass Effect so much, and know how great a game and story Bioware IS capable of producing.  Maybe I'm wrong about this, but honestly, if this were any other developer, I'd write this off as a loss and move on.  Rockstar?  As far as I know they don't ask their fans for input, they just make the games they want and do a (in my opinion) good job making the worlds they want.  Bethesda?  Sorta did after Fallout 3, but they've always been more about opening up their worlds to their fans through modding and occaisonal expansion.  I could go on.  But really, I think a it shows how great the passion and respect for Bioware is among its fans that they'll come together like this and say, "You can do better, really.  We believe in you, fix this."  

  Just my thinkin' though.

[/quote]

Trust me, if I wasn't a huge Mass Effect and Bioware fan and knew that they were  capable of, I would have just written it off as a bad end and not really cared. I've been their fan since day one and I'm even one of the fans who enjoyed DA2 enough to play through it a few times. Not their best work, mind you, but not the horrible game people were making it out to be either. 

I'm a big supporter of them and I'm glad they listen to the fans. Just hoping this isn't some elaborate ploy to get more money. That would hurt me more than anything.

[Stygian1]

I feel like all of these media outlets saying BioWare will change the ending are indirectly helping us, they're only adding to the potential rage if BioWare decides not to change anything.

Is this good or bad? Thoughts?

[The Kettle]

Hi,
First post - didn't even realise the forums existed until the shock of the ending wore off and I went searching for answers.
A week and a half later, my other Shepherds still waiting to gear up for ME3 and I cant bring myself to play them.
The FUBAR bit is I want to feel how I felt the first time I saw this
http://www.youtube.c...?v=eBktyyaV9LY.
Instead I am left with


Being civil.
Glad I donated.
Hoping for the best.
Holding the line.

[Neko Hibiki]

Computim wrote...

Neko Hibiki wrote...

I'm not saying to give Bioware your money and trust them to do your best interests with it.. but I'm also saying that if you're going to spend the next months of your life sitting here secondguessing everything anyone says contrary to what you want to hear that you're going to be miserable...

I'm already miserable. I've got parasites in my legs now. They've blocked up the fluid channels, and my legs have swollen to huge size too.

That sucks, seriously.  Can they do anything for it?

(FYI I honestly read that at first and thought you were being indoctrinated )

I got a doctors appointment in April at the local hospital with somepony who's supposed to be the head Doctor guy of... something.

Hopefully he can figure it out then.

What I don't understand is how I got these things since they are only in Africa, and I've never been outta the US.

I live in Lousianna state. The fartherest I've ever been is into Mississppi, Arkanasas, and a few miles into Ohio.

So how I got them I don't know any. If they've somehow migrated into the US we're all in trouble since these are bad.

I mean really bad here.

If left untreated, thay can kill you.

[vboy23]

I just realized how beautiful the music is during the scenes from rannoch. After Legion's sacrifice and the geth inviting the quarians back, its just fits whats happening on screen.

Now if only the ending was like this...

[VivaLaWhatsername]

The Kettle wrote...

Hi,
First post - didn't even realise the forums existed until the shock of the ending wore off and I went searching for answers.
A week and a half later, my other Shepherds still waiting to gear up for ME3 and I cant bring myself to play them.
The FUBAR bit is I want to feel how I felt the first time I saw this
http://www.youtube.c...?v=eBktyyaV9LY.
Instead I am left with


Being civil.
Glad I donated.
Hoping for the best.
Holding the line.

Welcome to the line!

[ColloquialAnachron]

Off for the night, keep being polite as you hold the line!

[Computim]

Stygian1 wrote...

I feel like all of these media outlets saying BioWare will change the ending are indirectly helping us, they're only adding to the potential rage if BioWare decides not to change anything.

Is this good or bad? Thoughts?

I think it's helping.  If they go back now there will be a huge community backlash, and the media, who is far less forgiving than the community, will bring this up for as long as Bioware lives.  The media has long memories when they're slighted.

Bioware has far more to lose here by not being on the level here than they do by just doing what everyone is saying their statement means.  I'm actually going to take the interpretation by people who deal with press releases and assume, if the mainstream media says that's what he's saying, they're correct.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

vboy23 wrote...

I just realized how beautiful the music is during the scenes from rannoch. After Legion's sacrifice and the geth inviting the quarians back, its just fits whats happening on screen.

Now if only the ending was like this...

I agree, though I thought the soundtrack was amazing through out the whole game. Shame the ending couldn't be as amazing as the ending music <_<

[TamiBx]

The Kettle wrote...

Hi,
First post - didn't even realise the forums existed until the shock of the ending wore off and I went searching for answers.
A week and a half later, my other Shepherds still waiting to gear up for ME3 and I cant bring myself to play them.
The FUBAR bit is I want to feel how I felt the first time I saw this
http://www.youtube.c...?v=eBktyyaV9LY.
Instead I am left with


Being civil.
Glad I donated.
Hoping for the best.
Holding the line.

Welcome aboard! Glad to have you 

[redfield2]

This thread's moving so fast!! Since I last came here I feel I can't catch up ㅋㅋ

[cinderburster]

Darth Suetam wrote...

cinderburster wrote...

This is a fantastic post.  I'm not just quoting to say that, however.  I would like to add that when I took a creative writing class, the teacher gave us a great way to offer constructive criticism while being concise and to the point.

Tell them what you liked, too.  Don't just point out the bad things.  People need to know what they did right just as much as they need to know what they did wrong.  Focus on the good first; that will make them more receptive to your criticism.

I think that's what Dr. Muzyka meant by constructive criticism.  Destructive criticism focuses only on the bad and uses language that makes people want to shut down and not listen.

Most of us agree that there were things about the game we loved--we wouldn't be here if there wasn't.  Let some of that love show when you make your case.

I agree with the post you quoted. We actually talked about similar things here before. And I agree that we must show constructive criticism.

But let's be honest with some things:

- There are people that will never offer constructive criticism. OK. They should be listened, but their criticism doesn't need to be taken to the planning of a new ending/DLC/Whatever.

- There are people who are hurt, and need time to go from criticism with too much pain into it, to constructive criticism. And this kind of thing BW should take into consideration. They have to try to understand their buyers, and fans of their games. And that leads me to my last point:

- BW is hurt, and is very defensive right now. It's just natural. But as we must understand it, without stopping to do our part, they also have to understand it, and realise they have to move on. Stop being so defensive, and actually take the criticism into consideration. Even what they were too sensitive to accept. Separate what's useless from the useful. But really try to take thing into consideration. Don't just form a hard shell of hurt feelings and avoid all criticism.

And I think it's about time they acknowledge that we don't have a way of knowing how they are doing it. It's time to open some real channels to talk about it. Give some clues, and stop being so secretive. The process is becoming a little too shadowy to really be called a "great fans-developers relation". Like they were once proud of, and damn right they should have been. Hope they become again.

They must understand that we are here out of love, not hate.

I agree with you.  I wanted to get my suggestion out there because I haven't seen much on how to critique and be heard.  There was a thread that was quickly buried a few days ago.  I haven't been in this thread much, it's good to know it's already been talked about!

[Hydralysk]

Stygian1 wrote...

I feel like all of these media outlets saying BioWare will change the ending are indirectly helping us, they're only adding to the potential rage if BioWare decides not to change anything.

Is this good or bad? Thoughts?

I honestly don't know, I mean I'd imagine the backlash would be more severe, but then I'm not really basing this off anything but my gut.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

SSV Auckland signing off for now, it's dinner time for me

Keep holding the line

[Bhav88]

Neko Hibiki wrote...


I got a doctors appointment in April at the local hospital with somepony who's supposed to be the head Doctor guy of... something.

Hopefully he can figure it out then.

What I don't understand is how I got these things since they are only in Africa, and I've never been outta the US.

I live in Lousianna state. The fartherest I've ever been is into Mississppi, Arkanasas, and a few miles into Ohio.

So how I got them I don't know any. If they've somehow migrated into the US we're all in trouble since these are bad.

I mean really bad here.

If left untreated, thay can kill you.

You got a Wuchereria infection in the US?!  It's treatable (as with most filarials, ivermectin) but dayum, that's some really, really bad luck.

(< epidemiologist)

[RatedRRachel]

xHezz90 wrote...

vboy23 wrote...

I just realized how beautiful the music is during the scenes from rannoch. After Legion's sacrifice and the geth inviting the quarians back, its just fits whats happening on screen.

Now if only the ending was like this...

I agree, though I thought the soundtrack was amazing through out the whole game. Shame the ending couldn't be as amazing as the ending music <_<

The score was amazing. I especially loved how they brought back the main theme from the first game during moments that were first referenced in the original. Like when the genophage is cured and is raining down, the original theme plays... or the first time Tali steps foot on Rannoch. It really helped tie all three games together. 

[Stygian1]

Shutting down for the Night.

Hold the Line guys

[nitefyre410]

Well Guys... I do believe I'm going to head off to bed here...

Hold the line... we can and will win this...

[Lord Emporer]

you know, all you have been complaining that there are only three ending A,B and C. But there is an option D.....bleed to death......just saying.