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[Nilofeliu]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...
But what if instead of changing the end, Bioware will simply patch the game with an "explanation" or some sort of "text epilogue" saying "Turians went back to their world, Wrex survived and had 20 little krogans with Eve, Quarians and Geth peace was lasting, and buy our new DLC..."

That's what I fear more than no changes at all..

/Salute

IF this is what they do, then the line will just have to stay IMO. I just hope a lot of you guys agree, because if we accept crap like that as a fix then I worry for the sanity of us lol

If that happens, I fear the line will become an enraged mob.... Fans from all over the world will ultimatly lose their faith in Bioware and the trust will never be regained. It will be Bioware's death blow. But the problem is, I have been a Bioware's fan for too long, and I don't want Bioware to die. I want it back the way it used to be, I want it to be regarded as the pinnacle of RPGing games it once was. That's my most sincere wish, but it's entirely up to them, and by watching what I have seen lately, I just can't shake the feeling that something bad is on its way. Dark times are ahead...

/Salute

And still holding the frigging line...

[Hydralysk]

Allright I'm off for the night, see you all tomorrow. I'm sure there'll be more innacurate articles I'll need to comment on so I need my rest.

Happy Birthday as well cyrrant, tangible gift are a rarity on forums unfortunately so all I can give you is my best wishes!

Modifié par Hydralysk, 23 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[ld1449]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Honestly, I think that if Bioware is going to remake anything, they should go all the way and make something epic and amazing. Doing a half a** job is what led them to this situation to begin with, so just adding a codex entry or a 2min video at the end to explain the current ending will actually only make things worse imo...

I'm kinda worried my computer will blow up with the internet backlash, if they pull a stunt like this. I really hope they don't, I want to have faith in Bioware.......but it's kinda shot at this point.

Heading to bed.

Continue holding the line for as long as it takes.

I do have faith in Bioware. I think they will redem themselves.

Honestly, at this point I am under the firm belief that they're going to go as all out as they can with a budget.

This movement has gotten HUGE amounts of attention from the media, Bioware fans, and just gamers in general. Most of the media believe at this point that they've flat out agreed to change the ending. For them to backpedal on that now, it won't make them look good at all, and it will most likely be the straw that breaks the proverbial camels back.

Them adding a tacked on epilogue isn't gonna please anyone. And they'd have wasted time, money, and would still loose a good chunk of their clientelle in a single instant.

So yea, at this point I firmly believe at least 2 or 3 alternative endings are on the way. That does not mean I will stop my protests. Until my HDD has the DLC that at least brings me a satisfying compromise (I'm not expecting a 7Gig miracle here) I will stay and hold the line

[Nilofeliu]

g_bassi13 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Honestly, I think that if Bioware is going to remake anything, they should go all the way and make something epic and amazing. Doing a half a** job is what led them to this situation to begin with, so just adding a codex entry or a 2min video at the end to explain the current ending will actually only make things worse imo...

Honestly, a 2 minute video, or a text based epilogue (or even a combination of both) is what I believe they're leaning towards right now. I'm getting the sense that they want to get out of this as easily as possible, and that such a stunt would satisfy enough fans that this movement will die down.

But they are right. If they pull that off, the RetakeME3 will movement will die. Instead we will have a new movement called "Take Bioware Down". And that will be the end of it...

[RatedRRachel]

N7_Sniper91 wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

N7_Sniper91 wrote...

Honestly, I'm starting to think about playing ME3 again. I haven't picked up my Xbox controller since the 9th. After I saw the endings, I just couldn't do it.

Now, I'm tempted to play again, but those endings...

I'm with you. But I have tried multiple times. I play like an hour and just get this tug in my heart because I know the ending. Any time the word "hope" is uttered, I lose my will to continue because at the moment, for Shepard and the crew, there is none. 

Yeah, I mean seriously, what the hell is the point? We already know how it ends, there isn't any uniqueness to it or anything taken for consideration. Shepard dies(I don't play MP, and it sucks that you have to to see the 'secret' ending), Mass Relays destroyed, everyone dead, dying or going to die soon.

A game without replay value is pretty much worthless.

Everyone keeps saying how great it was, yeah, but what's the point of all that goodness if it leads up to a horrible, poorly thought and poorly planned ending? It essentially makes eveything you did and everything good in the game, worthless.

BioWare, what was the point?

I don't play MP either and I think it was pretty stupid that you can only get the "Shepard lives" ending if you do.

But even if I did, I wouldn't see the point of pulling myself out of the single player experience to play a horde mode multiplayer just to up my readiness when the ending is still very bleak even if Shepard lives. I could understand if Shepard did die, but not the way they set it up. The whole game was about how if there was hope, there was a chance. Those endings made the whole tone of the game take a nose dive into tragedy. The crew stranded, the galaxy in a dark age... what a way to end such a celebrated trilogy. 

[Debi-Tage]

g_bassi13 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Honestly, I think that if Bioware is going to remake anything, they should go all the way and make something epic and amazing. Doing a half a** job is what led them to this situation to begin with, so just adding a codex entry or a 2min video at the end to explain the current ending will actually only make things worse imo...

Honestly, a 2 minute video, or a text based epilogue (or even a combination of both) is what I believe they're leaning towards right now. I'm getting the sense that they want to get out of this as easily as possible, and that such a stunt would satisfy enough fans that this movement will die down.

I think that would be worse than not doing anything if the feedback and polls are any indication. How are they going to fill in all the glaring issues with an epilogue...? Not that I know what they may have up their sleeves, but it would seem like a copout  to me at this point.

[IndustrializedTaco]

KLGChaos wrote...

Something I've found amazing as I've read through various blogs and articles about both sides of the debate, is that the anti-ending group seems to be much more civil than the pro-ending. Not saying all pro-ending arguments are bad-- one guy wrote a nice article as to why he loved it. He couldn't exactly explain the reasons why, but that's fine. Sometimes you just like something without needing any explanation. He also didn't once bash the anti-ending group.

However, I've really seen a disturbing trend in most pro-ending articles. A lot of them really deride the anti-ending group and cries of "whiners" and "entitlement". Now they are entitled to their opinion (see what I did there?), but honestly, the anti-ending camp (like Forbes) continues to write very rational, calm arguments based on facts and reasoning. On the other side, especially since Bioware said they'd be adding to the ending, I've seen more and more of the pro-groups articles come up filled with anger and insults. It seems to me in the end, the ones who actually sound like they're "whining" are the pro groups. Could jus be me, though.

Honestly, I wish more pro-people would post more rational arguments instead of just mocking those who disagree.

Personally my favorite rant is from Colin M. He cracks me up. I love how he rips on the anti-ending guys. He talks about entitlement, saying that we are whining about something that shouldn't be changed. That products of entertainment are for the people who made them. Then he goes on to insult our movement saying we are idiots. So on. Also the whole Drew K. thing. I loled when I heard that one.

[Foxhound2121]

Hi all, just woke up from a short nap and heard that ME4 was just announced. Any realism for that?

[N7_Sniper91]

g_bassi13 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Honestly, I think that if Bioware is going to remake anything, they should go all the way and make something epic and amazing. Doing a half a** job is what led them to this situation to begin with, so just adding a codex entry or a 2min video at the end to explain the current ending will actually only make things worse imo...

Honestly, a 2 minute video, or a text based epilogue (or even a combination of both) is what I believe they're leaning towards right now. I'm getting the sense that they want to get out of this as easily as possible, and that such a stunt would satisfy enough fans that this movement will die down.

That's EXACTLY what I thought when Muzyka said that they were going to "offer CLARITY" on the existing endings.

They're trying to get out of this as quickly and cheaply as possible.

I say, don't let them. Stay on them, the moment we give up is the moment they win.

I want what I payed for.

[ld1449]

KLGChaos wrote...

Something I've found amazing as I've read through various blogs and articles about both sides of the debate, is that the anti-ending group seems to be much more civil than the pro-ending. Not saying all pro-ending arguments are bad-- one guy wrote a nice article as to why he loved it. He couldn't exactly explain the reasons why, but that's fine. Sometimes you just like something without needing any explanation. He also didn't once bash the anti-ending group.

However, I've really seen a disturbing trend in most pro-ending articles. A lot of them really deride the anti-ending group and cries of "whiners" and "entitlement". Now they are entitled to their opinion (see what I did there?), but honestly, the anti-ending camp (like Forbes) continues to write very rational, calm arguments based on facts and reasoning. On the other side, especially since Bioware said they'd be adding to the ending, I've seen more and more of the pro-groups articles come up filled with anger and insults. It seems to me in the end, the ones who actually sound like they're "whining" are the pro groups. Could jus be me, though.

Honestly, I wish more pro-people would post more rational arguments instead of just mocking those who disagree.

Not just you. Its been happening. People tend to jump on a bandwagon and when they really have nothing useful to say they just spout off the first thing that makes em feel superior. This normally being insults and angry tyrades.

So let us grant them the greatest insult an enemy can suffer.

To be ignored

[Bionic Weapon]

Nilofeliu wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

I feel like all of these media outlets saying BioWare will change the ending are indirectly helping us, they're only adding to the potential rage if BioWare decides not to change anything. 

Is this good or bad? Thoughts?

I honestly don't know, I mean I'd imagine the backlash would be more severe, but then I'm not really basing this off anything but my gut.

But what if instead of changing the end, Bioware will simply patch the game with an "explanation" or some sort of "text epilogue" saying "Turians went back to their world, Wrex survived and had 20 little krogans with Eve, Quarians and Geth peace was lasting, and buy our new DLC..."

That's what I fear more than no changes at all..

/Salute

Well we ask Bioware:

So that's it... All this time that's all we get from you?


Then we either accept it and leave never to return or we keep at it and not compromise.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

I feel like all of these media outlets saying BioWare will change the ending are indirectly helping us, they're only adding to the potential rage if BioWare decides not to change anything. 

Is this good or bad? Thoughts?

I honestly don't know, I mean I'd imagine the backlash would be more severe, but then I'm not really basing this off anything but my gut.

But what if instead of changing the end, Bioware will simply patch the game with an "explanation" or some sort of "text epilogue" saying "Turians went back to their world, Wrex survived and had 20 little krogans with Eve, Quarians and Geth peace was lasting, and buy our new DLC..."

That's what I fear more than no changes at all..

/Salute

Well we ask Bioware:

So that's it... All this time that's all we get from you?


Then we either accept it and leave never to return or we keep at it and not compromise.

You have to remember. There is only so much they can do. After this if there is still another campaign to change it then we WILL look like entitled whinners.

[T-Zero]

Nilofeliu wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Honestly, I think that if Bioware is going to remake anything, they should go all the way and make something epic and amazing. Doing a half a** job is what led them to this situation to begin with, so just adding a codex entry or a 2min video at the end to explain the current ending will actually only make things worse imo...

The problem is that if Bioware followed our opinions in the first place, they wouldn't be standing where they are right now. I fear they will just come up with some piece of junk and tell us "here is your new ending, take it and leave us alone.."

/Salute

This possibility haunts me more than any other.  I honestly think that it's started to dawn on them that, yes, there is something wrong with the product they put out, professional reviews not-withstanding.  I'm just hoping, praying, and making my voice heard that they actually fix it instead of handing us another second-rate ending to shut us up.

Hold the line.  Just... Hold the Line.

[N7_Sniper91]

RatedRRachel wrote...

*snip*

I don't play MP either and I think it was pretty stupid that you can only get the "Shepard lives" ending if you do.

But even if I did, I wouldn't see the point of pulling myself out of the single player experience to play a horde mode multiplayer just to up my readiness when the ending is still very bleak even if Shepard lives. I could understand if Shepard did die, but not the way they set it up. The whole game was about how if there was hope, there was a chance. Those endings made the whole tone of the game take a nose dive into tragedy. The crew stranded, the galaxy in a dark age... what a way to end such a celebrated trilogy. 

I think there shouldve been [better]endings where Shepard either lived or died based on your GA(With MP having nothing to do with it), it wouldve satisfied people like me, who want their Shepard to enjoy the fruits of his/her labor and people who wouldve wanted the typical heroic sacrifice ending.

It's so simple, I'm suprised it flew over Bioware's head.

BTW: Happy Birthday cyrrant! Don't worry, we're all rooting for your wish to come true, too!

Modifié par N7_Sniper91, 23 mars 2012 - 05:37 .

[wicked_being]

I just woke up and found the charity drive has been shut down. *sadface*

Anything new?

[evisneffo]

Well, couldn't stay away (I must be a sadist).

I read about the PR thread being shut down, and the charity as well - both unfortunate but understandable.

But you know what really leaves a sour taste in my mouth right now? The fact that some people donated to Child's Play thinking they were paying for a new ending, followed up with questions to that effect, and now are ASKING FOR THEIR MONEY BACK.

I just feel really disgusted thinking about that now. Not sure if it's worse hearing this or finally pulling myself together to start a new ME3 playthrough that I honestly don't care all that much about.

Modifié par evisneffo, 23 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Mattroy wrote...

I made a little write-up on my view of artistic integrity. That little write-up ended up being 750 words by the time I was finished. Is that too much for here?

Yeah I'd say so, maybe make it a blog entry instead and then give us the link?

[VivaLaWhatsername]

evisneffo wrote...

Well, couldn't stay away (I must be a sadist).

I read about the PR thread being shut down, and the charity as well - both unfortunate but understandable.

But you know what really leaves a sour taste in my mouth right now? The fact that some people donated to Child's Play thinking they were paying for a new ending, followed up with questions to that effect, and now are ASKING FOR THEIR MONEY BACK.

I just feel really disgusted thinking about that now. Not sure if it's worse hearing this or finally pulling myself together to start a new ME3 playthrough that I honestly don't care all that much about.

Seriously? wtf...it was for charity. That's just wrong 

[IndustrializedTaco]

evisneffo wrote...

Well, couldn't stay away (I must be a sadist).

I read about the PR thread being shut down, and the charity as well - both unfortunate but understandable.

But you know what really leaves a sour taste in my mouth right now? The fact that some people donated to Child's Play thinking they were paying for a new ending, followed up with questions to that effect, and now are ASKING FOR THEIR MONEY BACK.

I just feel really disgusted thinking about that now. Not sure if it's worse hearing this or finally pulling myself together to start a new ME3 playthrough that I honestly don't care all that much about.

Are you kidding? They donated to charity, and are asking for their money back? I'm hoping they are stupid, because that is just a dick move.

[wicked_being]

Some people are asking for their money back? By the goddess...that makes me want to cry *smh*

[Bionic Weapon]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

You have to remember. There is only so much they can do. After this if there is still another campaign to change it then we WILL look like entitled whinners.

True, but Bioware has given us BDtS,Overlord, LotSB, Arrival. So even if they came up with a fantasic idea that took them months to create, they are fully capable of it. If they were just to give us an epilogue explaining why things are the way they are, it would be as if they didn't even try and that is not Bioware at all. They're either all in or nothing. That's how I have seen them be in the past.

Its just not like them to leave stuff in the situation it is now. That's why it would be surprising.

Not "that's all we get" in a "I don't  like it" way. More of a " I know you all are better than this, show us what Bioware usually does"

[Nilofeliu]

Mattroy wrote...

I made a little write-up on my view of artistic integrity. That little write-up ended up being 750 words by the time I was finished. Is that too much for here?

Create a new thread and post the link here, so we can use the new one to discuss just the artistic integrity concept and how it relates to the diverse forms of artistic expression..,

I look forward to read what you have to say..

/Salute

[Debi-Tage]

evisneffo wrote...

Well, couldn't stay away (I must be a sadist).

I read about the PR thread being shut down, and the charity as well - both unfortunate but understandable.

But you know what really leaves a sour taste in my mouth right now? The fact that some people donated to Child's Play thinking they were paying for a new ending, followed up with questions to that effect, and now are ASKING FOR THEIR MONEY BACK.

I just feel really disgusted thinking about that now. Not sure if it's worse hearing this or finally pulling myself together to start a new ME3 playthrough that I honestly don't care all that much about.

Don't let it get you down, those people are likely a minority who serve nobody but themselves anyways. I tried to play yesterday for about ten minutes, flipped it off and came back to these threads instead! 

[N7_Sniper91]

Why did the Charity get shut down?