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[Nilofeliu]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Hold the Line?

Always..

By the way, I found this nice comment form an indie developer..

From Corbin March 22nd, 2012 at 10:36 PM
"I am an indie game developer and I believe, since I can keep a copy of my original art in pure form, I have no right to insist my customers be happy with my "vision". They become my customers because I'm selling a product; that's the end of my artistic license. The customer is always right. To other indie developers who are protesting BioWare's proposed changes, let me just say thank you. Your unwillingness to satisfy your customers will be my future customer base."

What else can I say? When you ar right you are right, and he is damned right...

/Salute

[ErMacPE]

I'm looking at it like this: If things go south, then I'll simply donate the money I would have spent on future titles to CP - that way, I do at least know the money's going to a good cause :happy:

[sumo390]

Nilofeliu wrote...



[/i]What else can I say? When you ar right you are right, and he is damned right...

/Salute

Haha that is awesome. And many people will be speaking with their wallets once the dust is settled and we see the final decision.

Modifié par sumo390, 23 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[Crossleft]

it was a pretty rough day for the cause...just don't lose hope yall

we're all in this together

still holding the line

[Demonburnt]

clearsnowflakes wrote...

IxSITHxI wrote...

I REALLY HATE STUPID PEOPLE. "Ehh lets change our ending idiotically to protest BioWare changing the ending." This really makes me mad.

http://www.complex.c...f-mass-effect-3

But first comment = Full of WIN.

This ladies and gentlemen is a person "hungry" for customers.

That is how you do business and stay in business.

Modifié par Demonburnt, 23 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[Ticonderoga117]

clearsnowflakes wrote...

IxSITHxI wrote...
I REALLY HATE STUPID PEOPLE. "Ehh lets change our ending idiotically to protest BioWare changing the ending." This really makes me mad.
http://www.complex.c...f-mass-effect-3

But first comment = Full of WIN.

Someone should find out what games he makes, I have a desire to get one of his games because he gets it.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 23 mars 2012 - 06:41 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Crossleft wrote...

it was a pretty rough day for the cause...just don't lose hope yall

we're all in this together

still holding the line

Why is it everytime I see those words (bold) I can't help but think of that god awful high school musical song? <_<

[Nilofeliu]

A friend of mine just asked me to post this here. I don't know if it has been posted before.

A Logical Breakdown on Why the Mass Effect 3 ending makes no sense

It is quite a long manifest, but very thorough and worthy reading.

/Salute

[SkaldFish]

sumo390 wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

I'm proud of us, even if I only managed to donate $20 I still feel good about giving money to a great cause!

At least something good came out of this, and it's more than what those who keep throwing "don't change it, artistic, precedents!!11!" did

No one has to stop giving, BTW. Just go directly to childsplaycharity.org. No, there's no "Retake" donation drive any more, but you can still take your DLC money and put it there instead.

[KLGChaos]

To follow up my post about pro-ending sites insulting people-- I've also noticed that since all the articles about Bioware changing the ending popped up, many of the pro-ending comments start flaming Bioware. They call them sell-outs and other horrible names (the "p" word comes to mind). Throughout our entire protest, we've always maintained our love for Bioware and this franchise, in spite of our disappointment. The pro-ending people turn on them in an instant. I guess it shows who the real fans are.

I fully support Bioware and want to remind everyone that we're fighting because love these guys and their work so much that we know the ending should match up to the quality of the rest of the series, including almost all of ME3.

Hold the line.

[morph4037]

 I'll try to keep this short. Been watching since page 500 or so and don't think I ever offered my feelings over the game. 


It's a solid 7/10. Would have been higher but quest tracking was pretty bad, people would vanish from cut scenes, ME2 love interests getting little... well love (went with Jack and all I got was a one liner iirc), then the whole day 1 DLC when the character was on disc already issue, and sorry to say but the ending didn't come off like some masterpiece they were hoping for. Even taking the "Indoctrination Theory" into consideration, it just didn't feel like it brought closure and left me with more questions than answers. Lastly, the whole offering to "continue the legend with DLC" was a pretty cheap move imho. 


In case Bioware people are still watching this thread, I genuinely appreciate the work they put into this game. Albeit, those reasons I mentioned above and several that other posters have mentioned, makes it feel like  I spent $80 on an unfinished game. 

Modifié par morph4037, 23 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[g_bassi13]

xHezz90 wrote...

Crossleft wrote...

it was a pretty rough day for the cause...just don't lose hope yall

we're all in this together

still holding the line

Why is it everytime I see those words (bold) I can't help but think of that god awful high school musical song? <_<

Try listening to this, it might help

www.youtube.com/watch

[Demonburnt]

Nilofeliu wrote...


A friend of mine just asked me to post this here. I don't know if it has been posted before.

A Logical Breakdown on Why the Mass Effect 3 ending makes no sense

It is quite a long manifest, but very thorough and worthy reading.

/Salute

There was a post few hours ago (5~ lol) that i saw when i was at work.

It explained the ending and made sense (bar the teleporting squadmates).

I came to the conclusion as the ending/s being "Deep and Symbolic" and you need to look at the bigger picture.

But then it hit me, bioware is selling a product to the general public, not some "200k" canvas with a smidge of red paint that only a group of very "sophisticated" people would understand.

Im sorry if im not intellectual enough to understand, but if i wanted to look at "Deep and Symbolic" crap i would go to the art museum.

Modifié par Demonburnt, 23 mars 2012 - 06:55 .

[Crellis]

KLGChaos wrote...

To follow up my post about pro-ending sites insulting people-- I've also noticed that since all the articles about Bioware changing the ending popped up, many of the pro-ending comments start flaming Bioware. They call them sell-outs and other horrible names (the "p" word comes to mind). Throughout our entire protest, we've always maintained our love for Bioware and this franchise, in spite of our disappointment. The pro-ending people turn on them in an instant. I guess it shows who the real fans are.

I fully support Bioware and want to remind everyone that we're fighting because love these guys and their work so much that we know the ending should match up to the quality of the rest of the series, including almost all of ME3.

Hold the line.

This 

All Bioware is doing is trying to compromise with it's consumers to create a better product. If this is something that frightens other developers then I seriously doubt their motives for making video games, correction, selling video games.

That or they are jealous @ bioware that they 'have' fans who care enough about their games to want to see the product and it's art improved


Holding the line 

[PeterG1]

Well I beat the game last Wed. Since it's been over a week and because I have been enjoying the MultiPlayer pretty well I thought I'd give the CItadel mission another go.

And I'm sad.

You know, when I beat the game last Wed I thought the endings were profound. I admit: I'm still emotionally moved by the endings, quite a bit actually. But after reflecting for a week I've found that there are indeed too many things that go unanswered and, to me, it's ultimately unsatisfying ending. Dang! I hate saying that because the ending was pretty profound but I'm going to admit that I still would like to see more choices, more alternate endings, more decisions for Shepard to be able to make and, yes I admit it, a few of those options allowing Shepard to live and see what happens after the campaign.

Alright I have to try to sleep tonight, but...whew...I'm a little worked up and depressed again, might be tough. Oh well. 'Night all!

[VivaLaWhatsername]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Try listening to this, it might help

www.youtube.com/watch

Yep much better thanks lol

[HITMAN629]

Have you guys seen this stuff?
http://www.news.com....9-1226307364276

It seems that alot of major media outlets are reporting that Bioware is changing the ending.

[Brutus W]

The Indie Developer should make a info on his newest projekt. i think this would sell well if the me3 retake comm knows it

[kewnsty]

i echo that klgchaos
we love bio ware. we loved kotor/ balders gate dragon age and mass effect.
and yes we want more games like that!!!! . im sorry some of this controversy is giving them trouble at bioware. 99.99% of them never deserved any scrutiny esp on this magnitude

[Atrocity]

Took couple of pictures to my uni's boards and bathroom stalls. Just for the heck of it
Something to do instead of just getting more and more pissed off (though in all fairness, the reason for this is atm more in my condesending lecturer than in ghostchild-space magic ending. But only just)

[HITMAN629]

PeterG1 wrote...

Well I beat the game last Wed. Since it's been over a week and because I have been enjoying the MultiPlayer pretty well I thought I'd give the CItadel mission another go.

And I'm sad.

You know, when I beat the game last Wed I thought the endings were profound. I admit: I'm still emotionally moved by the endings, quite a bit actually. But after reflecting for a week I've found that there are indeed too many things that go unanswered and, to me, it's ultimately unsatisfying ending. Dang! I hate saying that because the ending was pretty profound but I'm going to admit that I still would like to see more choices, more alternate endings, more decisions for Shepard to be able to make and, yes I admit it, a few of those options allowing Shepard to live and see what happens after the campaign.

Alright I have to try to sleep tonight, but...whew...I'm a little worked up and depressed again, might be tough. Oh well. 'Night all!

Welcome to the team, we have been here for awhile & we are not going anywhere

[VivaLaWhatsername]

HITMAN629 wrote...

Have you guys seen this stuff?
http://www.news.com....9-1226307364276

It seems that alot of major media outlets are reporting that Bioware is changing the ending.

Yet there is actually no official word for this actually happening. It's all in response to Ray *whatevers* statement.

[Militarized]

Demonburnt wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...


A friend of mine just asked me to post this here. I don't know if it has been posted before.

A Logical Breakdown on Why the Mass Effect 3 ending makes no sense

It is quite a long manifest, but very thorough and worthy reading.

/Salute

There was a post few hours ago (5~ lol) that i saw when i was at work.

It explained the ending and made sense (bar the teleporting squadmates).

I came to the conclusion as the ending/s being "Deep and Symbolic" and you need to look at the bigger picture.

But then it hit me, bioware is selling a product to the general public, not some "200k" canvas with a smidge of red paint that only a group of very "sophisticated" people would understand.

Im sorry if im not intellectual enough to understand, but if i wanted to look at "Deep and Symbolic" crap i would go to the art museum.

I consider myself an "intellectual" if one can do that, I can see the angles that they were aiming for at certain points but a lot of it is muddled. You have to be looking for it and not letting the story play out like it's supposed to, from my perspective... that's why it fails. It's trying to be high brow when it shouldn't. 

Not to mention their idea of deep is simply cliche and lame. 

Modifié par Militarized, 23 mars 2012 - 07:01 .

[Spartan_472]

As written in a private message 12:22 PM 2012-03-21 before I gained forum access:

After a week away from most things electronic, I managed to return to my humble abode with my wife. We arrived anticipating to complete an amazing final episode in one of the gaming industry's most epic sagas. Up until the very end of the game, the entertainment and story value were absolutely astronomical. Unfortunately, those things were all but forgotten toward the end of the day due to such a controversial ending. We were shocked. After two days of searching for answers all over the web, a certain few Twitter comments warranted intervention.

Please civilly inform EA/Bioware, and more specifically Ms. Merizan, that this "lurker" shall not go silently into the night. The current ending of Mass Effect 3 strays too far from the decision-based formula each installment built upon. That portion of the game (last 15~ minutes) is so disheartening, in our eyes, one may easily believe Mass Effect 3 to be an unfinished, rushed, or faulty product. Add the current way EA/Bioware and its PR department seem to be handling things, and you've got yourself one heck of a corporate nightmare...yet, hope remains.

Within the gaming industry, we are witnessing the collapse of a barrier falsely erected to alienate gaming fans from even being considered actual humanistic consumers. (All it took was an abrupt ending to a globally adored entertainment product.) Each one of us comes from our own walks of life with personal requirements we must meet on a daily basis. For some, those engagements force us to allocate the majority of our time (free or not) outside the realms the gaming industry communities call home. We individuals aren't always able to comment on our emotions outside of our own local tribes. Nevertheless, we do have our limits and understand when our rights as both a fiscal consumer and an informed human being are being altered outside of our control. That is a line my wife and I feel EA/Bioware, a leader in the gaming industry, has pushed too far.

As a consumer, I am very much entitled to receive a service or product as advertised or promised should I provide the proper credits to receive said item. I am also entitled to politely inform the creator/provider of said product if the item does not hold true to its original description. Furthermore, I expect to receive respect and treatment a sensible human would receive during any form of communication between myself and the creator/provider concerning any fallacies from said service or product. It matters not what the dialogues between myself and the other entity entail; companies must communicate with their consumers as they would someone they see everyday. Being respected as a human being, treated as a valued consumer, and provided options to sate any dissatisfaction with the product or service are an absolute must. Although we remain civil, we have yet to see this organization fully take these ideals into account. That is why we are here.

Bioware/EA, a growing number of your consumers feel confused, betrayed, and disappointed with the Mass Effect 3 ending. It was not what was advertised or expected. Moreover, we believe the way your company is handling the issue to be disappointing. You've got a grand opportunity on your hands. We require a direct 2-way communication with answers and solutions to this fiasco. This community has taken the first step to provide your organization with plenty of data and civil points of meaningful dialogues to interact within. All you need do is make some non-linear decisions by thinking outside the gaming industries' box. The balls in your court now. What will you decree the relationship status become between your gaming organization and its human fans/consumers? You know where to find us...Holding the Line.

Sincerely,
Spartan 472

-Always Hope


EDIT - Repaired Formatting

Modifié par Spartan_472, 23 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[Joyceee]

KLGChaos wrote...
Throughout our entire protest, we've always maintained our love for Bioware and this franchise, in spite of our disappointment. The pro-ending people turn on them in an instant. I guess it shows who the real fans are.

I fully support Bioware and want to remind everyone that we're fighting because love these guys and their work so much that we know the ending should match up to the quality of the rest of the series, including almost all of ME3.

Hold the line.

Your comments about the pro-ending vs. anti-ending groups have been very enlightening! Thanks for that. At the end of the day, despite all the negativity coming in from haters, we should all be proud of how the community has united. I personally believe this is the biggest testament showing our love, passion and adoration for BioWare. Hate on us if you want, but damn, you can't take any of this away from us!

Be proud! Hold The Line!