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[Garrus30]

Harvoification wrote...

WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS: - BioWare trolled us. Look at the other vids from the user. Leaks are real. Not sure if I'll be banned for this or not but the community needs to see this utter crap.

Oh, and Bioware/EA, this is what happens when you release copies of the game before the official release date. You have brought this upon yourselves.

And thanks for ruining what would have been one of the best trilogies of all time.

Still there the blue version is missing and I think the good version of that is important.

Modifié par Garrus30, 01 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[Bebbe777]

The ending had so much potential for openending.
We still had thousands of mass relays to open.
The quarians could get back their planet and join the Citadel again.
Peace and prosperity with the Geth
A stronger Citadel space united by the war
A new Krogan state
This can never happen now

[mulder1199]

still hoping the day 1 patch alters things a bit.....anybody know if the people with the game were promted to DL it?

[noxpanda]

Garrus30 wrote...

Harvoification wrote...

WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS: - BioWare trolled us. Look at the other vids from the user. Leaks are real. Not sure if I'll be banned for this or not but the community needs to see this utter crap.

Oh, and Bioware/EA, this is what happens when you release copies of the game before the official release date. You have brought this upon yourselves.

And thanks for ruining what would have been one of the best trilogies of all time.

Still there the blue version is missing and I think the good version of that is important.

Yeah is there a vid anywhere for the blue?

[SpiderFan1217]

Johnnycide wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

So the sick stuff, classy.

Hey don't get on my case about it for calling the devs out. They're the ones who went on...and on...and on...in-game and in the codex about how god awful in utero eezo exposure is, then wrote a catastrophe into the plot in which a global-scale eezo exposure is actually near the bottom of the list of unfortunate implications. Seriously, you don't have to have read Silent Spring and be a card-carrying NRDC member to reason out even in the "earth OK" endings the survivors are going to end up dealing with an environmental disaster of unprecedented proportions, especially considering the fact the Mass Effect universe actually runs on nuclear power.

Maybe the writers got off on what happened to Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Chernobyl?

  I'm beginning to think that a lot of people here get off on the idea of writers getting off on ****ed up things. 

[Die Varieties]

Rdubs wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Still looking for a reason for all of this. What was Bioware's motivation?

And it can't be that they're sick of Mass Effect. EA wouldn't let them nuke such a high profile IP. There's something happening behind the scenes that we can't grasp right now. There's a method to this madness. There has to be.

You are correct.  It's called, setting the stage for the follow-on MMORPG. 
If they let ME3 end with a wide variety of endings, it would be rather hard to come up with a follow-on which took all of those into consideration plausibly.  Instead at some point they switched from making ME3 awesome in its own right to putting their eyes on the next prize after ME3, and turned ME3 into a bridge to set the stage for it.

That, plus I think there's validity to the whole "we got in way over our heads and couldn't deliver, so we decided to go dramatic and hope people confuse it with art" suspicion.

Yeah, I agree, there must be somthing more.  In case you don't know, there is a near hour full interview with Casey Hudson about ME3 and possible MMO that just came out today on Gamespot's website in their "The Hotspot" video.  You might want to check it out.

http://www.gamespot....tml?sid=6363842

Modifié par Die Varieties, 01 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

By "skimped out" you mean bad writing? Because if you think that people are only upset due to the fact that their Shepard cannot get reunited with their space waifu, I would disagree with you.

Again, "the endings don't line up with what I had planned in my headcanon" =/= "bad writing."

Now, what is your complaint, precisely?  Personally, I think the Normandy thing was uncessecary, but I think it's intended to be a metaphor for starting over, heading into an unknown future, being forced to rebuild from next to nothing.  A not-so-spectacularly executed metaphor, but one nonetheless.

Alright I am going to say why I do not like these endings.

Simply because what happens with the Normandy.

You
see, I am okay with what with happens to Shepard, I am okay with the 3 
choices (Although I do hope they will explain the relationship between
Guardian, the Citadel and the keepers, etc), I can live with the relays
always being destroyed and galactic civilization always falling into a
new dark age (although it does make TIM looks silly in hindsight).

But
I do not like is the fact that I have to end  the game knowing that the
Normandy crew always ends up being screwed, doomed to a futile
exsistance on a planet. With no hope of being rescued and not enough
people to start an actual viable colony. It is even  worse if Garrus and
Tali is there since they will most likely just  starve out entirely
sooner or later.

Such an ending is not bittersweet, just bitter.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 01 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[Harvoification]

Garrus30 wrote...

Harvoification wrote...

WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS: - BioWare trolled us. Look at the other vids from the user. Leaks are real. Not sure if I'll be banned for this or not but the community needs to see this utter crap.

Oh, and Bioware/EA, this is what happens when you release copies of the game before the official release date. You have brought this upon yourselves.

And thanks for ruining what would have been one of the best trilogies of all time.

Still there the blue version is missing and I think the good version of that is important.

I hope you're right, but right now it just seems like wishful thinking. I wish I'd have never found out these endings so I could at least enjoy the jorney up to the end not knowing that every choice I make is completely irrelevant to anything.  

[Spooky223]

Clone 071 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ending needed for ME3 to not be a suckfest:

Reapers all dead.
Galaxy saved.
Technology still works.
Player has option for Shep to die heroically, or survive.

Anything else is just Bioware trying to force contrived "choices" and contrived "grimdarkedgeydrama" on us under the guise of "grown up writing".

Yeah, people are under the impression that unless it's "grimdarkedgeydrama," it's crap. And they're wrong.

Guess I'm the only one who finds it quite amusing BW believes a "sad, gritty ending" reflects what "grown ups" enjoy.

I'm 30. And I enjoy a good story that ends with rainbows and happiness. I also enjoy less happy endings and sometimes I definitely need a sad ending. But overal - who the heck told you guys old players like me enjoy ONLY sad endings?
Especially we adults are longing for better worlds since we know the real world is sh*tty enough while kids still believe in Santa Claus and fairy tales.

Yeah, I'm only 19, and I couldn't agree more with your statement, CptData. I'm a sucker for sunshine and bunny endings, more or less bittersweet endings, and occasionally the sad ending. And I, like you, long for and imagine a better world because this real world is plunging. We're going to be the ones destroying ourselves one day.

I totally agree - I'm 23 - and if I want sad stories so I can watch News or read newspapers. I love happy endings (don't tell it my sis ) even if I sometimes write sad endings. I hope that won't end that I will must end game before ending and go read some fanfic a wrote some myself.

btw If is true that renegade Shep can't survive so it sucks. 'cos my femShep is mostly renegade.

[RazorrX]

Bebbe777 wrote...

The ending had so much potential for openending.
We still had thousands of mass relays to open.
The quarians could get back their planet and join the Citadel again.
Peace and prosperity with the Geth
A stronger Citadel space united by the war
A new Krogan state
This can never happen now

Or it could have ended with the relays intact, but local clusters in chaos.
Petty warlords take over some systems, colonists try and rebuild what was destroyed, etc.
Krogans now slowly repopulating begin to expand into the now chaotic and weakened clusters.
Quarians and Geth rebuild the homeworld
Humanity has lost earth, but is scattered across various colonies, etc. and begins to rebuild, etc.

And this would set up an awesome place for future games as well.

[wright1978]

Harvoification wrote...

I hope you're right, but right now it just seems like wishful thinking. I wish I'd have never found out these endings so I could at least enjoy the jorney up to the end not knowing that every choice I make is completely irrelevant to anything.  

I empathise. Equally shocked at the lack of choice and differentiation in the endings.

[Bebbe777]

RazorrX wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

The ending had so much potential for openending.
We still had thousands of mass relays to open.
The quarians could get back their planet and join the Citadel again.
Peace and prosperity with the Geth
A stronger Citadel space united by the war
A new Krogan state
This can never happen now

Or it could have ended with the relays intact, but local clusters in chaos.
Petty warlords take over some systems, colonists try and rebuild what was destroyed, etc.
Krogans now slowly repopulating begin to expand into the now chaotic and weakened clusters.
Quarians and Geth rebuild the homeworld
Humanity has lost earth, but is scattered across various colonies, etc. and begins to rebuild, etc.

And this would set up an awesome place for future games as well.

Mm, chaos but it is a new start, within the same ME universe. Instead of the bs we have now that totally ruins the me universe. Its like they would decide that warp engines no longer works in Star Trek or the force is removed in Star Wars, it will destroy the franchise. 

[Jog0907]

wright1978 wrote...

Harvoification wrote...

I hope you're right, but right now it just seems like wishful thinking. I wish I'd have never found out these endings so I could at least enjoy the jorney up to the end not knowing that every choice I make is completely irrelevant to anything.  

I empathise. Equally shocked at the lack of choice and differentiation in the endings.

yep to me it feels like a rocks fall everyone dies, pick the rock color ending

[Ianamus]

Jog0907 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Harvoification wrote...

I hope you're right, but right now it just seems like wishful thinking. I wish I'd have never found out these endings so I could at least enjoy the jorney up to the end not knowing that every choice I make is completely irrelevant to anything.  

I empathise. Equally shocked at the lack of choice and differentiation in the endings.

yep to me it feels like a rocks fall everyone dies, pick the rock color ending

It's like Neverwinter Nights 2 all over again <_<

[Photonkun]

BW promised they will close all loopholes and nothing will be left unexplained in this last installment right?

So, for those that played the ME2 the Arrival DLC, when Shepard crashed the asteroid into the Mass Relay, it exploded and took the whole star system within, and killing a 300k batarian colony planet. With this we all confirmed that destroying a Mass Relay = a dead galaxy system. Either from the shock wave or the creation of a dark matter black hole.(Need confirmation on this).

Now in ME3, (taken from the leaked ending), all Mass Relay explode across the galaxy in a chain reaction form. Since its a Mass Relay explosion, we all assume every galaxy that has one is going to be destroyed, thus ending all life. Earth has a Relay to, so when it explodes not only will destroy our Earth, but also is going to destroy all the fleet that Shepard gathered to save the Earth. Right? (assuming the same reaction from the Arrival DLC)

WHAT IS THE FREAKING POINT ON CALLING IT " TAKE EARTH BACK" IF OUR MASS RELAY EXPLOSION WILL WIPE OUR SYSTEM!!!? (supposedly)

Either someone flunk ME lore or made a big OOOPS! I forgot about that one! My bad stuff.

[Renessa]

Jog0907 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Harvoification wrote...

I hope you're right, but right now it just seems like wishful thinking. I wish I'd have never found out these endings so I could at least enjoy the jorney up to the end not knowing that every choice I make is completely irrelevant to anything.  

I empathise. Equally shocked at the lack of choice and differentiation in the endings.

yep to me it feels like a rocks fall everyone dies, pick the rock color ending

Oh, gosh - yeah that's it! Neverwinter Nights 2: Rockfall - all dead. Lazy writing at it's worst!

[Sashimi_taco]

Die Varieties wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Still looking for a reason for all of this. What was Bioware's motivation?

And it can't be that they're sick of Mass Effect. EA wouldn't let them nuke such a high profile IP. There's something happening behind the scenes that we can't grasp right now. There's a method to this madness. There has to be.

You are correct.  It's called, setting the stage for the follow-on MMORPG. 
If they let ME3 end with a wide variety of endings, it would be rather hard to come up with a follow-on which took all of those into consideration plausibly.  Instead at some point they switched from making ME3 awesome in its own right to putting their eyes on the next prize after ME3, and turned ME3 into a bridge to set the stage for it.

That, plus I think there's validity to the whole "we got in way over our heads and couldn't deliver, so we decided to go dramatic and hope people confuse it with art" suspicion.

Yeah, I agree, there must be somthing more.  In case you don't know, there is a near hour full interview with Casey Hudson about ME3 and possible MMO that just came out today on Gamespot's website in their "The Hotspot" video.  You might want to check it out.

http://www.gamespot....tml?sid=6363842

casey looks tired. 

[humes spork]

Johnnycide wrote...

Maybe the writers got off on what happened to Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Chernobyl?

Different writing teams I know, but the thing that irks me about that is in the preceeding games, especially ME1, the writers made it pretty clear Earth at the point of the trilogy's beginning is a completely environmentally-wrecked, overpopulated craphole, the leaps in technology wrought by the discovery of Prothean ruins on Mars haven't benefitted the majority of the populace, and people are abandoning Earth in numbers so great the Alliance fleet can't even protect them all. They risk death, slavery, prejudice and mistreatment in general at the hands of aliens, not to mention all the climatic and environmental hazards imposed by living on other worlds, all because they want the hell off the planet. Each of Shepard's backgrounds drives that one home with an ice pick to the back of the player's skull in its own way, especially the Earthborn background where Shepard joins the Alliance military for the singular purpose of having a decent quality of life.

When you're looking at that in terms of science fiction's tendency to make sociopolitical commentary on the world we live in, that's a pretty damn strong pro-environmental message. The fact any of this doesn't seem to be elaborated upon, or the implications at least suggested, reeks of a poor through process.

[Armass81]

These mass relay explosions dont wipe out the systems like the Bahak one did, calm down.

Also it doesnt burn out Eezo and FTL technology, Xoisite(the space copy owner) himself said it doesnt and he doesnt get why people have this idea. Only the relays and everything living that is synthetic.

[Garrus30]

noxpanda wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

Harvoification wrote...

WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS: - BioWare trolled us. Look at the other vids from the user. Leaks are real. Not sure if I'll be banned for this or not but the community needs to see this utter crap.

Oh, and Bioware/EA, this is what happens when you release copies of the game before the official release date. You have brought this upon yourselves.

And thanks for ruining what would have been one of the best trilogies of all time.

Still there the blue version is missing and I think the good version of that is important.

Yeah is there a vid anywhere for the blue?

here

BAD:


^
same
v

Good:
http://youtu.be/mpF_WDvpQBE

Outro:
http://youtu.be/c_pbdmCtXio

Sphere Explosion: ?
http://youtu.be/cFax3dM5hJ8

I'm still wondering why there is a good version, it's the same as the bad version.
The Mass Relay coult be destroyed by the sphere explosion, but the red and green version had also a sphere explosion, the Relay was destroyed by a beam though.

Modifié par Garrus30, 01 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[RazorrX]

humes spork wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

Maybe the writers got off on what happened to Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Chernobyl?

Different writing teams I know, but the thing that irks me about that is in the preceeding games, especially ME1, the writers made it pretty clear Earth at the point of the trilogy's beginning is a completely environmentally-wrecked, overpopulated craphole, the leaps in technology wrought by the discovery of Prothean ruins on Mars haven't benefitted the majority of the populace, and people are abandoning Earth in numbers so great the Alliance fleet can't even protect them all. They risk death, slavery, prejudice and mistreatment in general at the hands of aliens, not to mention all the climatic and environmental hazards imposed by living on other worlds, all because they want the hell off the planet. Each of Shepard's backgrounds drives that one home with an ice pick to the back of the player's skull in its own way, especially the Earthborn background where Shepard joins the Alliance military for the singular purpose of having a decent quality of life.

When you're looking at that in terms of science fiction's tendency to make sociopolitical commentary on the world we live in, that's a pretty damn strong pro-environmental message. The fact any of this doesn't seem to be elaborated upon, or the implications at least suggested, reeks of a poor through process.

Actually, when you look at the beginning of the demo - earth does not look too bad.  The sky is blue, the water is blue, grass terraces, etc.   I think they may have forgotten that for 3 (makes sense - Drew left).  They made earth sound so important when it was a dying world really.  So it was probably Retconned in 3.

[Bebbe777]

"The homeworld and capital of humanity is entering a new golden age. The resource wealth of a dozen settled colonies and a hundred industrial outposts flows back to Earth, fueling great works of industry, commerce, and art. The great cities are greening as arcology skyscrapers and telecommuting allow more efficient use of land.
Earth is still divided among nation-states, though all are affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance. While every human enjoys longer and better life then ever, the gap between rich and poor widens daily. Advanced nations have eliminated most genetic disease and pollution. Less fortunate regions have not progressed beyond 20th century technology, and are often smog-choked, overpopulated slums.

Sea levels have risen two meters in the last 200 years, and violent weather is common due to environmental damage inflicted during the late 21st century. The past few decades, however, have seen significant improvement due to recent technological advances."

[Ianamus]

It just occoured to me that Mass Effect post-ME3 is going to be very similar story-wise to the latest installment in the X-series, a series of space-simulator games that I doubt many of you have heard of. Look at the plot synopsis for the latest game:


"The X universe was always defined by gates. Gates that were (almost?) the only technology that allowed its inhabitants to bridge interstellar distances. 

The gates were built by a very advanced ancient civilisation a long long time ago. They were later used by the different populations that developed in the X universe and they relied on them for trading and for their everyday life. 

A while after the events told in X3:Terran Conflict however, the gates suddenly ceased to work. Why? That's still unknown. This shutdown however had dramatic political and economical consequences. Millions of people were isolated far away from their former home and many systems suddenly lacked the supplies of food or other resources they needed for everyday life. 

At the start of X Rebirth, these events are again a thing of the past, but they have formed a changed and new universe. "

[AxisEvolve]

I hope everyone here knows the endings aren't the only problem. Supposedly dialog was greatly cut from the original version and characters become "Zaeed" type characters that you can't talk to between important missions.

[mopotter]

Spooky223 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ending needed for ME3 to not be a suckfest:

Reapers all dead.
Galaxy saved.
Technology still works.
Player has option for Shep to die heroically, or survive.

Anything else is just Bioware trying to force contrived "choices" and contrived "grimdarkedgeydrama" on us under the guise of "grown up writing".

Yeah, people are under the impression that unless it's "grimdarkedgeydrama," it's crap. And they're wrong.

Guess I'm the only one who finds it quite amusing BW believes a "sad, gritty ending" reflects what "grown ups" enjoy.

I'm 30. And I enjoy a good story that ends with rainbows and happiness. I also enjoy less happy endings and sometimes I definitely need a sad ending. But overal - who the heck told you guys old players like me enjoy ONLY sad endings?
Especially we adults are longing for better worlds since we know the real world is sh*tty enough while kids still believe in Santa Claus and fairy tales.

Yeah, I'm only 19, and I couldn't agree more with your statement, CptData. I'm a sucker for sunshine and bunny endings, more or less bittersweet endings, and occasionally the sad ending. And I, like you, long for and imagine a better world because this real world is plunging. We're going to be the ones destroying ourselves one day.

I totally agree - I'm 23 - and if I want sad stories so I can watch News or read newspapers. I love happy endings (don't tell it my sis ) even if I sometimes write sad endings. I hope that won't end that I will must end game before ending and go read some fanfic a wrote some myself.

btw If is true that renegade Shep can't survive so it sucks. 'cos my femShep is mostly renegade.

Add me to the list of adults who feel this way.  Over 60 I like a mix of endings, some sad, some bad and at least one option for a great firework ending,  Shepard and crew, including LI survive and I can visualize them working towards a future as they watch the reaper burn.    I was hoping ME3 would do this multiple endings with style and enjoyment.  I'm still holding on to the hope, by a very thin string, that ME3 will give us all the hopeful ending in addition to the not so hopeful ones.