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mulder1199

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dagongent2 wrote...

Umm, I know I haven't read all 2000+ pages, but can someone explain to me what PAX is? Is that where Bioware will be answering questions for Fans or what? It seems like a bad thing if people lose their cool there.


it's basically a gaming conference along the lines of E3....not that they do the same things at each one, but that should give you an idea....

bioware was set to go before this happened, probably to announce their first DLC (I'd guess) that's still probably the case...i'd assume now they'll also attempt to address the concerns with the end...

IF YOU ARE GOING TO PAX, STAY CIVIL AND CALM!

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I've been seeing in a few post through out the forums where the anology of Paragon = Good Ending and Renegade = Bad ending. 

I just don't get it.  If a Renegade were to prepare to the same level as a Paragon shouldn't they have an equal chance at a good ending?  In Mass Effect 2 I got the "No one left behinde" achivment with my Renegade.  My point is, in my opinion, that Rendegade Shepard isn't evil, just an ***hole.  And if a player want's to play as renegade they should have just as much chance at a good ending as a paragon player.  Sorry to go off on a tangent, I just felt like I needed to say that.

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chujwamdotego wrote...

chrrue_ wrote...

Has this one already been posted?
http://www.forbes.co...and-future-dlc/


THIS

And the guy at forbes says something about debacle on Forbes facebook page about ME3, endings and such.


Forbes, you guys just brighten my day<3
Well, I'm actually in class now, so...

Hold the Line

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DJBare, do you ever get any sleep? :D

A big mistery.

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chujwamdotego wrote...
And the guy at forbes says something about debacle on Forbes facebook page about ME3, endings and such.

debate i think, not debacle

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chrrue_ wrote...

Has this one already been posted?
http://www.forbes.co...and-future-dlc/


I personally think BioWare was just prepairing a setting for Mass Effect 4...
Why else would they want to destroy Mass Relay's in every ending?

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chosen_trekie wrote...

I've been seeing in a few post through out the forums where the anology of Paragon = Good Ending and Renegade = Bad ending. 

I just don't get it.  If a Renegade were to prepare to the same level as a Paragon shouldn't they have an equal chance at a good ending?  In Mass Effect 2 I got the "No one left behinde" achivment with my Renegade.  My point is, in my opinion, that Rendegade Shepard isn't evil, just an ***hole.  And if a player want's to play as renegade they should have just as much chance at a good ending as a paragon player.  Sorry to go off on a tangent, I just felt like I needed to say that.



Well your right, renagade shepard is not meant to be evil, just probably amoral and willing to do anything to get the job done, If he was just evil or corupt he would not be up to the job of defeating the reapers in the first place.

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 23 mars 2012 - 03:12 .


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chosen_trekie wrote...

I've been seeing in a few post through out the forums where the anology of Paragon = Good Ending and Renegade = Bad ending. 

I just don't get it.  If a Renegade were to prepare to the same level as a Paragon shouldn't they have an equal chance at a good ending?  In Mass Effect 2 I got the "No one left behinde" achivment with my Renegade.  My point is, in my opinion, that Rendegade Shepard isn't evil, just an ***hole.  And if a player want's to play as renegade they should have just as much chance at a good ending as a paragon player.  Sorry to go off on a tangent, I just felt like I needed to say that.


You're entirely right. Renegate doesn't equal evil.

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man I hope this talk about MMO for ME and DA isn't going to come to fruition cause its bad enough they put multiplayer on ME3.

Just my thoughts on the matter

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chrrue_ wrote...

Has this one already been posted?
http://www.forbes.co...and-future-dlc/


I missed that.  It is an interesting theory...  The rammifications are mind boggling  because it implies this whole fiasco has been orchestrated by BioWare from the start (though I think they underestimated the backlash) in order to sell DLC (which is further supported by the ending text).

Modifié par Zwei133, 23 mars 2012 - 03:14 .


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chosen_trekie wrote...

I've been seeing in a few post through out the forums where the anology of Paragon = Good Ending and Renegade = Bad ending. 

I just don't get it.  If a Renegade were to prepare to the same level as a Paragon shouldn't they have an equal chance at a good ending?  In Mass Effect 2 I got the "No one left behinde" achivment with my Renegade.  My point is, in my opinion, that Rendegade Shepard isn't evil, just an ***hole.  And if a player want's to play as renegade they should have just as much chance at a good ending as a paragon player.  Sorry to go off on a tangent, I just felt like I needed to say that.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, if a good ending would require a certain amount of war assets though i believe it would be slightly easier to get with Paragon due to them having a reputation of keep more people alive. However you shouldn't be penalized for playing renegade in any way.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 23 mars 2012 - 03:14 .


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Matt_gekko88 wrote...

DJBare, do you ever get any sleep? :D

A big mistery.


Thats Mr Bare

and to answer your quetion that guy sleeps less than me

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chrrue_ wrote...

Has this one already been posted?
http://www.forbes.co...and-future-dlc/


That is pretty much bang on the mark there. DLC = a bucket ton of money. So if they gave us the DLC ending with the 16 different endings where all our choices from ME1 and ME2 effected the actual outcome of ME3 as well as the war assets etc in ME3 and we all get the endings we wanted......... And they charged us for it......... Well bioware thank you very much for the games i have played and i truely mean it but i will not be buying a product from you ever again.

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Crazed Weevil wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...
Worst case scenario? "you guys wanted to know what happens at the end? we made a 15 min cutscene showing the horrific deaths of all your crewmembers, and shepards body is put through a wood chipper, incinerated while you LI watches, and He/she is then executed, then everything explodes. Is that not what you wanted? Closure?"

Ah the Blake's 7 ending...that would do...assuming I didn't mind being locked away in an underground vault somewhere to avoid the nuclear level explosion of rage from the fanbase
Image IPB


But wait, where did they get enough Shepard to throw in a wood chipper? He got blown up on the Citadel and toasted. Did they use a squeegie or something..... OH NO MORE QUESTIONS! AHHHHH!

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toffeetrooper wrote...
36, 4 kids, I build subs for a living as well as having an  industrial gas testing licence wich is recognised around the world


Natural gas, oil, or "man-made" gas? Image IPB

#57291
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Matt_gekko88 wrote...
DJBare, do you ever get any sleep? :D
A big mistery.

Sleep, whats that?, nah, I get plenty of sleep and read the forums on my iPad as I drift off into slumber land, I'm passionate about the cause but not so passionate that I lose sleep.

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But wait, where did they get enough Shepard to throw in a wood chipper? He got blown up on the Citadel and toasted. Did they use a squeegie or something..... OH NO MORE QUESTIONS! AHHHHH!



Thats only in the shepard lives endings, in the other endings well......... erm... Dam you plotholes, how can bioware writers not have their head explode every second of their lives?

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 23 mars 2012 - 03:18 .


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Mr Chr15topher wrote...

ExcTar wrote...

PAX worries me like many of you, I don't exactly remember Penny Arcade being objective in the whole situation, although they're probably professional enough to not let their opinion smear onto PAX, it still worries me greatly that the 2 oppositions will meet under these still very heated circumstances, something is bound to go wrong, even if it's the opposition that fires the first bullet, the media will surely focus on us being the "entitled, whiny, incompetent brats and ragers" ( this is just a small sample of the wording used against us ) it's funny how the irony is lost on them the moment they start throwing insults around.

All I can say is, if any of you reading this thread are participating in the PAX event, sadly I can't myself as I don't live in the states, find your fellow ReME3 friends, make them realize just how much it will damage our cause, if we bite on any of the flamebait, or even if we bite on a bad statement from Bioware, be the bigger man that you are that have a vocabulary above that of " f** you morons" that have been provided by the opposition. Show the online review sites that insults and slurs, are not part of our whole agenda.

Something like this needs to be posted around the other forums so that anyone attending knows what they should do.


Feel free to take my post and copy paste it in other forums if you have any, or just steal the important parts I don't browse a lot of forums, hell I don't even use facebook, so as said, feel free to steal my post people need to be aware that PAX could essentially annihilate our movement

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So, while waiting for April, I've been thinking about the ending. I met someone yesterday who liked it! He's a hardcore sci-fi fan like me, and we got into a discussion of the endings and how they worked/didn't work.

He conceded pretty quickly that he liked the message of the endings, and agreed that there were plot holes and a lack of closure that could use clarification. I thought I'd quickly share what he thought about the three big parts of the endings.

The Tech Singularity: This is not a bad idea necessarily. It's been mocked pretty hard "yo dawg" and other memes. The issue the space boy is bringing up is that this advanced culture had the power to destroy the frabric of the galaxy. They had the A bomb and feared losing control of that power to synthetics. Makes me think of the Matrix, and it's a valid position. We can argue that the response was wrong, but I see the justification. Keep advanced species from creating a danger to the galaxy. Reapers are not synthetics (this is a sticking point for a lot of people) They are organic/synthetic fusion given a single purpose.

The fact that we've made peace between the Geth and Quarians makes the situation more poignant, but it's tough to justify a single brokerage of peace against eons of cyclical organic/synthetic violence. If anything it shows that conflict is never black and white. Both synthetics and organics have a right to live, both are the perpetrators and victims of violence against the other.

The Destruction of the Mass Relays: At first I absolutely hated this. It creates a lot of plot holes, and whatever happens, Bioware owes us some kind of clarification. The symbolism IS cool though. I think of feminist scholars saying "The Master's tools will never dismantle the master's house". We reject the reaper solution, and that comes with a cost. We must then reject the entirety of their construct. If we want to be free, then we need to accomplish these things ourselves. If we can't find a way to build our own relays and travel the stars, was that power ever ours to wield in the first place?

Just some thoughts on two aspects of the ending. I see what Bioware tried to accomplish. Makes me think of what one of the writers said - Casey is a very cerebral guy, and I can understand where they were going. They failed to take into account what the fans needed for this to be a good story, and that's something they need to rectify.

Also plot holes. Dear god, the plot holes.

Holding the line, Lt. Sparrow out.

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manoy1987 wrote...

man I hope this talk about MMO for ME and DA isn't going to come to fruition cause its bad enough they put multiplayer on ME3.

Just my thoughts on the matter


Even if the possibility was open, with how much SWTOR cost and how much of a backlash against ME3 there is, I doubt they're even considering it now.

If their "preservation of artistic integrity" in the ending is still an attempt to salvage an MMO, then they're not being very smart because none of us are going to buy into it if the endings aren't fixed.

Also, the three endings still leave enough of a difference that they'd have to pick a canon one.  I mean, synthesis?

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

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chosen_trekie wrote...

I've been seeing in a few post through out the forums where the anology of Paragon = Good Ending and Renegade = Bad ending. 

I just don't get it.  If a Renegade were to prepare to the same level as a Paragon shouldn't they have an equal chance at a good ending?  In Mass Effect 2 I got the "No one left behinde" achivment with my Renegade.  My point is, in my opinion, that Rendegade Shepard isn't evil, just an ***hole.  And if a player want's to play as renegade they should have just as much chance at a good ending as a paragon player.  Sorry to go off on a tangent, I just felt like I needed to say that.


Agreed. I play mostly Paragon characters, but my one Renegade was more of a Renegon. He preferred intimidating people and avoiding a fight if possible, though he had no problems putting a bullet into truly bad people (like Fist). He was only harsh with his crew when necessary (during fight scenes in ME2) and overall was more like a Dirty Harry type tough cop. Nothing evil about him.

In the end, ME3 should have followed more of an ME2 route where how much you prepare and what choices you make determine the ending you get. There doesn't even need to be 1600 different endings. Just enough to cover the most dominant tastes-- those who want happy, those who want sad and a dark and those who want something in between.

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LdyBelial wrote...

Don't know if anyone has posted this or not yet... it's Friday's Poll on C/Net

http://news.cnet.com...fect-3s-ending/



Nice finding. The poll there is quite nice too. Not biased and the article doesn't offend anyone, it just asks people what they think of it.

/Salute

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Zwei133 wrote...

chrrue_ wrote...

Has this one already been posted?
http://www.forbes.co...and-future-dlc/


I missed that.  It is an interesting theory...  The rammifications are mind boggling  because it implies this whole fiasco has been orchestrated by BioWare from the start (though I think they underestimated the backlash) in order to sell DLC (which is further supported by the ending text).


This has been my theory all along. Milk the fanbase for all its worth.

People have talked about setting a bad precedent for a company to change its ending at fan outcry.

How about the bad precedent that would be set if a company started releasing deliberately unfinished games?

Time will tell.

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ExcTar wrote...

PAX worries me like many of you, I don't exactly remember Penny Arcade being objective in the whole situation, although they're probably professional enough to not let their opinion smear onto PAX, it still worries me greatly that the 2 oppositions will meet under these still very heated circumstances, something is bound to go wrong, even if it's the opposition that fires the first bullet, the media will surely focus on us being the "entitled, whiny, incompetent brats and ragers" ( this is just a small sample of the wording used against us ) it's funny how the irony is lost on them the moment they start throwing insults around.

All I can say is, if any of you reading this thread are participating in the PAX event, sadly I can't myself as I don't live in the states, find your fellow ReME3 friends, make them realize just how much it will damage our cause, if we bite on any of the flamebait, or even if we bite on a bad statement from Bioware, be the bigger man that you are that have a vocabulary above that of " f** you morons" that have been provided by the opposition. Show the online review sites that insults and slurs, are not part of our whole agenda.


Sadly there are idiots in any petition/protest/movement, they don't really care about the overall goal they just want to create as much havoc as possible

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plot holes aside, the 4 second gasp scene was deliberate.

That means something. That was on purpose. There was a reason.

And we have no idea.