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[Aendencitis]

[quote]chrrue_ wrote...

Has this one already been posted?
http://www.forbes.co...and-future-dlc/[/quote]

[/quote]

Forbes


I do believe, Paul Tassi, has figured out Bioware's plans. Or atleast, I am hoping so.

[RatedRRachel]

 I know that I posted this like seven hours ago, but I thought it was a great article that summed up a lot of our feelings about the negative aspects of the game. And the flowchart that shows a fan's idea for the ending is absolutley what I think a lot of us were expecting when it came to how our "choices" in the game would have played out in the "taking back of Earth".

games.on.net/article/15190/RPG_on_Rails_Mass_Effect_3_and_the_Illusion_of_Choice

[Iucounou]

Aedera wrote...

Oh really...

http://m.ign.com/articles/1221457

I wouldn't worry about IGN. Any shred of credibility they had left has been eroded away in the last few weeks.

[Sparrowhawke]

cyrrant wrote...

You know, a lot of the singularity guys see the key to our surivival as the creation of a benevolent AI first that can head off any that might seek to destroy us.  After Shepard makes peace with the geth, don't you think they serve as a firewall against future synthetic destruction?

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

That's a cool point. I don't think the Geth qualify as a benevolent AI, though. At best - assuming a perfect outcome - they are a nation of sentient beings with their own motives (that at the moment seem benign). Personally, I trust the Geth and I would have very much liked my Shepard to have argued that. It seem like a cop-out to force pro-synthetic players to synthesize when we might see a better solution in peace. Then again, the kid said I'd die if I killed the reapers, and I didn't. So until someone says otherwise, I'm assuming he was full of it and the Geth and EDI are fine.

If Bioware can shove massive plot holes down my throat, I can assume three basic things:
1) It is possible to travel via FTL (meaning my Shep will snag a ship and rescue her lovely Liara)
2) The Geth are okay.
3) We built the crucible in three months or something, we can rebuild the relays within Shepard's lifetime. Maybe it'll take fifty years, but by the Goddess the galaxy will recover.

And if anyone says "but it's too far" or "but the relays are too complex" I will go: If Joker can crashland on a jungle planet, anything I come up with to have closure will make far more sense than what Bioware writes.

Also, hold the line.

[Matt_gekko88]

Aedera wrote...
Oh really...
http://m.ign.com/articles/1221457

Now that's a big LOL
I think they need some journalists there.

[Beast-Mass67]

lord berwick wrote...


Welcome to the line, Beast!  Take a seat, grab some coffee and settle in.  We're a friendly bunch, so you won't have to worry about anyone biting you.

Except for that guy with the shifty eyes.  I'd keep an eye on him if I were you.

Thanks for the welcome! ...and the advice .

Looking forward to seeing what comes out of the PAX event.

[Zwei133]

Iucounou wrote...

Zwei133 wrote...

chrrue_ wrote...

Has this one already been posted?
http://www.forbes.co...and-future-dlc/

I missed that.  It is an interesting theory...  The rammifications are mind boggling  because it implies this whole fiasco has been orchestrated by BioWare from the start (though I think they underestimated the backlash) in order to sell DLC (which is further supported by the ending text).

This has been my theory all along. Milk the fanbase for all its worth.

People have talked about setting a bad precedent for a company to change its ending at fan outcry.

How about the bad precedent that would be set if a company started releasing deliberately unfinished games?

Time will tell.

That was my first reaction as well.  Then I thought I was just being jaded from my years as a corporate software engineer, so I've been giving BioWare the benefit of the doubt (meaning they screwed up as opposed to intentially screwing the fans).  We shall see how this all plays out.

I have to say this: if the intention was to create a demand for an ending DLC, then the plan certainly seem to be succeeding.

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[Jere85]

I wanna see Colin Moriarty fail today... i wonder what he comes up with to counter forbes article.

[LadyMarisa]

I know this is kind of off topic so I hope you'll forgive me as I'm not trying to derail the thread. I've seen several posts (not all of them recent) where people who did not like the ending of ME 3 also did not like DA:2.

Am I the only one that liked that game? I mean, I knew from the start I was (re)playing events that already happened. I knew the outcome was how it was going to be in broad strokes so I wasn't upset that the choices I made didn't change anything. From the intro scene it was pretty much clear to me that my choices (that I as a player had yet to make) and already happened and affected the outcome all they were going to. I already knew/felt from the beginning that I wasn't playing *my* character but reliving a story through someone's eyes. So I was able to enjoy the game for what it was to me.

To keep this *somewhat* on topic, I don't think these two are related. (Unless the press releases prior to DA:@ were like what we were told with ME3 in which case please toss my entire post out the nearest window) I was led to believe with ME 3 that MY character developed the story and the ending would be what I had shaped it to be. Now if they had told me that ME3 had already happened and I would be playing out the story as a different character I don't think I would be quite so outraged.

TL;DR
I'm curious why people keep bringing up DA:2 in relation to ME:3

[Stigweird85]

chrrue_ wrote...

bigstig wrote...
Sadly there are idiots in any petition/protest/movement, they don't really care about the overall goal they just want to create as much havoc as possible

There are idiots in every society. But it seems that most media are focused on using ours against us.

Thats because the majority of media outlets are run by people who don't understand our passion, and think we are all uneducated, unemployed, unwashed unsociable and live in our parents basements.

It's the same every generation, the older generation for the most part don't understand the newer one.

50years from now people in power and in media will all come from a gaming background.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Jere85 wrote...

I wanna see Colin Moriarty fail today... i wonder what he comes up with to counter forbes article.

I hope he does a Jim Moriarty...


Lol

[toffeetrooper]

Ohpus wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...
36, 4 kids, I build subs for a living as well as having an  industrial gas testing licence wich is recognised around the world

Natural gas, oil, or "man-made" gas?

all the above

[Zwei133]

*duplicate post*

Modifié par Zwei133, 23 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[Iucounou]

Interestingly, let's say this has all been Bioware's plan all along. To release the game and then the ending later. Not only did they underestimate the backlash over it, but I strongly suspect they don't think they've done anything wrong.

If they announce a free ending DLC they will probably expect we'll all clap and say "Thank you!" and forget this whole mess and go back to buying whatever they churn out.

Think about it before your next purchase, is all I'm saying.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Maybe its semantics that is denying us the truth, LoTSB and arrival did not change the ending of mass effect 2, I.e the destruction or capture of the collector base, the story just, continued if you know what I mean

[Cybermortis]

Jere85 wrote...

I wanna see Colin Moriarty fail today... i wonder what he comes up with to counter forbes article.

I don't think his reading skills are up to reading Forbes. I suspect he's yet to advance beyond books that are marketed as 'chewable'...or possibly Dan Brown.

I take the last part back. If he can figure out how to use the internet he's beyond Dan Brown.

[chujwamdotego]

"Different, memorable endings" they said.

"Choices matter and reflect in endings" they said.

"Not true" we said.

"Art" they say.

[Sparrowhawke]

LadyMarisa wrote...

TL;DR
I'm curious why people keep bringing up DA:2 in relation to ME:3

I think a lot of people think "DA was rushed" and "ending of ME3 was also rushed"

This is probably true. To add my own view, I enjoyed DA2. It was rushed and had plenty of flaws, but I had fun, loved the writing and characters and the gameplay wasn't bad (on insanity difficulty at least).

[Atrocity]

Iucounou wrote...

Interestingly, let's say this has all been Bioware's plan all along. To release the game and then the ending later. Not only did they underestimate the backlash over it, but I strongly suspect they don't think they've done anything wrong.

If they announce a free ending DLC they will probably expect we'll all clap and say "Thank you!" and forget this whole mess and go back to buying whatever they churn out.

Think about it before your next purchase, is all I'm saying.

I wouldn't mind, if the real endings were the quality I have come to cherish and expect from Bioware. The interactivity between game developers and gamers (ad actually, in larger scale, between providers and consumers in general) has been more and more part of the gaming experience, so I'd just mentally file it under that. 

[RatedRRachel]

LadyMarisa wrote...

I know this is kind of off topic so I hope you'll forgive me as I'm not trying to derail the thread. I've seen several posts (not all of them recent) where people who did not like the ending of ME 3 also did not like DA:2.

Am I the only one that liked that game? I mean, I knew from the start I was (re)playing events that already happened. I knew the outcome was how it was going to be in broad strokes so I wasn't upset that the choices I made didn't change anything. From the intro scene it was pretty much clear to me that my choices (that I as a player had yet to make) and already happened and affected the outcome all they were going to. I already knew/felt from the beginning that I wasn't playing *my* character but reliving a story through someone's eyes. So I was able to enjoy the game for what it was to me.

To keep this *somewhat* on topic, I don't think these two are related. (Unless the press releases prior to DA:@ were like what we were told with ME3 in which case please toss my entire post out the nearest window) I was led to believe with ME 3 that MY character developed the story and the ending would be what I had shaped it to be. Now if they had told me that ME3 had already happened and I would be playing out the story as a different character I don't think I would be quite so outraged.

TL;DR
I'm curious why people keep bringing up DA:2 in relation to ME:3

One the reasons it is brought up, is because the player felt forced into choosing a side in the end and then there was very little difference in how Hawke story end. Siding with the mages, you flea Kirkwall. Siding with the templars, you stay for a little bit and rule but then leave. Even though there was a lot of backlash, some people realized that it was the second game and it was setting up the situation for the third. And the fact that Dragon Age 2 wasn't an exact continuation of the story from Origins helped as well.

With Mass Effect, it has been five years of the same characters and story. And the ending should have been all about our choices over the course of three games. But all of it gets seemingly negated in five minutes. At least in Dragon Age 2, they had been setting up that the mages were not trusted and Anders was going to do something desperate. I was not at all ready for StarChild to come out of nowhere and the space magic that followed. 

[Plummy]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

I always thought before the game released how the hell will they do any meaningful dlc? If we are supposed to be getting a final conclusion then you can't really have anything after that wont be disappointing to what came before, and If it takes place mid game, whatever it is would be mostly irrelevant to the rest of the plot so only usefull to extend the experience of the game, so they were screwed both ways unless they pulled something like this

Retaking Omega would of been one off the DLC packs to come out........... as for impacting on the endings (if we had the endings we wanted) Improving our war assest somehow to give you a true paragon / renegade ending or something along those lines. Thinking about it now though.......... it would be hard to sell DLC just to enhance the story. Saying that they somehow managed it with ME2 so maybe we would get something that could carry over to ME4.............. yeah this is me hoping they fix the endings first.

Still here's for hoping
And
Holding the line!

[Jere85]

So... everyone, you all real soldiers here? who here is ready to hold the line for 14 more days?
Hoo-ah!

[Geda173]

Iucounou wrote...

Interestingly, let's say this has all been Bioware's plan all along. To release the game and then the ending later. Not only did they underestimate the backlash over it, but I strongly suspect they don't think they've done anything wrong.
.

That was my initial thought. In order not to spoil the ending until the it was released in the whole world we would have a placeholder ending, or the unfinished game, meaning the indoctrination theory and the continue after Shepard wakes up.

But I'm not believing this anymore. Bioware screwed up big time and there is no plan to release a "real ending".

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Plummy wrote...


Retaking Omega would of been one off the DLC packs to come out........... as for impacting on the endings (if we had the endings we wanted) Improving our war assest somehow to give you a true paragon / renegade ending or something along those lines. Thinking about it now though.......... it would be hard to sell DLC just to enhance the story. Saying that they somehow managed it with ME2 so maybe we would get something that could carry over to ME4.............. yeah this is me hoping they fix the endings first.

Still here's for hoping
And
Holding the line!

I am always confused by the retake omega Dlc rumors, I was always udner the impression Aria was lending you the mercs untill you defeated the reapers, then she would try and retake omega back, so It could not take place before the endings? or am I missing somthing?