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[Geinen]

Iucounou wrote...

Interestingly, let's say this has all been Bioware's plan all along. To release the game and then the ending later. Not only did they underestimate the backlash over it, but I strongly suspect they don't think they've done anything wrong.

If they announce a free ending DLC they will probably expect we'll all clap and say "Thank you!" and forget this whole mess and go back to buying whatever they churn out.

Think about it before your next purchase, is all I'm saying.

IMAGINE if the movie industry started doing this lol....

The Lion King: 

"If you were half the king Mufasa was-" *Giant explosion destroys the entire planet*

Credits roll. A msg on screen. "Want a new ending? $10 to continue..."

[Cybermortis]

LadyMarisa wrote...

TL;DR
I'm curious why people keep bringing up DA:2 in relation to ME:3

Because the situation was similar in terms of fan reaction and Bioware's response it that reaction.

DA2 was badly written and rushed with an ending that made no sense other than a strange desire to pack as many fights as possible into the ending. (At least ME3 didn't go that far). The result was that quite a large number of people cancelled their pre-orders of ME3, with others boycotting Bioware entirely.

I'd also note that several retailers ended up allowing DA2 to be returned for a full refund, as the game as released was unplayable for a lot of people. Some retailers (principally Amazon) are allowing customers to return ME3 on the basis that they didn't get the game that was advertised. 

So you can see why comparisions are being made.

[fade2black2610]

chujwamdotego wrote...

"Different, memorable endings" they said.

"Choices matter and reflect in endings" they said.

"Not true" we said.

"Art" they say.

This, this, this, this, this. 

Ugh, it's annoying how the people against us say we just don't like the endings because we simply don't like them. No. We dislike them because they're illogical within the story of Mass Effect and, more importantly, they're the opposite of what we were promised.

BioWare: "Uhhhh, good argument, fair point. Okay, okay, how about this? .......... art?

[Iucounou]

Atrocity wrote...

I wouldn't mind, if the real endings were the quality I have come to cherish and expect from Bioware. The interactivity between game developers and gamers (ad actually, in larger scale, between providers and consumers in general) has been more and more part of the gaming experience, so I'd just mentally file it under that. 

I understand what you're getting at. But when I sat down to play ME3, I expected that I would get a good game and a good ending.

I never expected I'd be spending time on a forum arguing for a better ending. I never expected I'd end up sending that game back (the only game I've ever returned). I never expected that the entire game would be overshadowed by controversy. Even my enjoyment of the previous games has been soured by this mess.

Bioware will have to do something pretty spectacular to salvage this, in my opinion.

Unfortunately, I suspect they will only make things worse, because I think they genuinely don't get it anymore.

[thormir]

Jere85 wrote...

So... everyone, you all real soldiers here? who here is ready to hold the line for 14 more days?
Hoo-ah!

at least you are army and not that stupid hoo-rah marines stuff

Scouts out

[chosen_trekie]

I had always fugured that the DLC would have been like ME1 where it took place during the main capaign.

[The Big Palooka]

Hey, guys,

A lot's happened in the past couple days. I've seen a lot of people sounding frustrated, angry and just plain tired. A lot of us are sick of talking about the ending since we've torn it into such tiny pieces by now, there's not much left. We're exhausted from poring over articles and press releases which say largely the same things.

I just want to remind everyone that it's okay to take breaks, it's okay to let some articles go by without being read, and it's okay to just walk away from unwinnable arguments should they pop up. If you feel yourself getting strained, just take a breath or a step back.

But don't give up. We're not there yet, but we're on our way. I've been really proud of the way this group has handled itself thus far, and I can't urge you strongly enough to continue being as thoughtful, polite and mature as I've seen everyone be in the past few weeks. Whatever we do or don't accomplish will be colored by our behavior right now, even in as simple a thing as what we chose to post on the forums, on dev's twitter accounts, or in offsite article comments. We need to be accountable for our behavior, now more than ever.

Hold the Line.

[Crossleft]

Iucounou wrote...

Aedera wrote...

Oh really...

http://m.ign.com/articles/1221457

I wouldn't worry about IGN. Any shred of credibility they had left has been eroded away in the last few weeks.

what the hell is wrong with IGN...I never payed attention to them before the movement so have they always been like this? full of halfassed reporting and taking a stand against pro-gamer movements for seemingly no reason...

Im honestly embarassed that they have any affiliation to gamers because I dont want people to associate me with those "reporters" and I use that term very very losely

even the posts that seem to be on our side from them seem sarcastic and snide to me....

[Jere85]

thormir wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

So... everyone, you all real soldiers here? who here is ready to hold the line for 14 more days?
Hoo-ah!

at least you are army and not that stupid hoo-rah marines stuff

Scouts out

Psst, we are all nerds and proud of it.

[Ossborn76]

Back to hold the line... or better to say: the sick bay... been spending the whole week optimizing the Normandy´s VI-Core (or in real life: testing Laptop RAM) and my back hurts like hell now...

Anyway, I wanted to share this with you, I had an Idea for a new picture (unfortunately I had to use my customized Shepard for this, as I didn´t play with the standard ones yet...) 

[Mr Chr15topher]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Plummy wrote...


Retaking Omega would of been one off the DLC packs to come out........... as for impacting on the endings (if we had the endings we wanted) Improving our war assest somehow to give you a true paragon / renegade ending or something along those lines. Thinking about it now though.......... it would be hard to sell DLC just to enhance the story. Saying that they somehow managed it with ME2 so maybe we would get something that could carry over to ME4.............. yeah this is me hoping they fix the endings first.

Still here's for hoping
And
Holding the line!

I am always confused by the retake omega Dlc rumors, I was always udner the impression Aria was lending you the mercs untill you defeated the reapers, then she would try and retake omega back, so It could not take place before the endings? or am I missing somthing?

None of us thought a starchild would exist either, but there he was.

[Geinen]

fade2black2610 wrote...

This, this, this, this, this. 

Ugh, it's annoying how the people against us say we just don't like the endings because we simply don't like them. No. We dislike them because they're illogical within the story of Mass Effect and, more importantly, they're the opposite of what we were promised.

BioWare: "Uhhhh, good argument, fair point. Okay, okay, how about this? .......... art?

So many choices... can't you see??

Modifié par Geinen, 23 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[Atrocity]

Iucounou wrote...

I understand what you're getting at. But when I sat down to play ME3, I expected that I would get a good game and a good ending.

I never expected I'd be spending time on a forum arguing for a better ending. I never expected I'd end up sending that game back (the only game I've ever returned). I never expected that the entire game would be overshadowed by controversy. Even my enjoyment of the previous games has been soured by this mess.

Bioware will have to do something pretty spectacular to salvage this, in my opinion.

Unfortunately, I suspect they will only make things worse, because I think they genuinely don't get it anymore.

Yeah, I get you as well, the examples are mostly from tv-shows, and game is another thing entirely, and if, IF this was a planned move, it would (At least I hope it would) be handled quite differently. There are plenty of examples using social media, tweets and such to create an atmosphere where the fans/consumers feels like they are interactively engaged, BUT not genuinely 'fighting' to get what they deserve.

Apparently something like that went on with the new Sherlock Holmes series, I don't know, I have never watched it, but that's what a friend of mine keeps bringing up when I rant about our ending and Bioware's/EA's responses and so on.

[Cybermortis]

Crossleft wrote...

what the hell is wrong with IGN...I never payed attention to them before the movement so have they always been like this? full of halfassed reporting and taking a stand against pro-gamer movements for seemingly no reason...

Im honestly embarassed that they have any affiliation to gamers because I dont want people to associate me with those "reporters" and I use that term very very losely

even the posts that seem to be on our side from them seem sarcastic and snide to me....

They are being fair and impartial...and not in any shape or form being swayed by one of their jour...Jour...staff being in the game.

Modifié par Cybermortis, 23 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[Jere85]

Ossborn76 wrote...

Back to hold the line... or better to say: the sick bay... been spending the whole week optimizing the Normandy´s VI-Core (or in real life: testing Laptop RAM) and my back hurts like hell now...

Anyway, I wanted to share this with you, I had an Idea for a new picture (unfortunately I had to use my customized Shepard for this, as I didn´t play with the standard ones yet...) 

Nice

[gorgoth]

Iucounou wrote...

Interestingly, let's say this has all been Bioware's plan all along. To release the game and then the ending later. Not only did they underestimate the backlash over it, but I strongly suspect they don't think they've done anything wrong.

If they announce a free ending DLC they will probably expect we'll all clap and say "Thank you!" and forget this whole mess and go back to buying whatever they churn out.

Think about it before your next purchase, is all I'm saying.

If they ran out of time and needed to work on it after the release I can understand that. What I can't understand is them not saying anything. If you can deliver on what you promised on the designated date then you need to at least notify your customer of that fact.

[LadyMarisa]

RatedRRachel wrote...


One the reasons it is brought up, is because the player felt forced into choosing a side in the end and then there was very little difference in how Hawke story end. Siding with the mages, you flea Kirkwall. Siding with the templars, you stay for a little bit and rule but then leave. Even though there was a lot of backlash, some people realized that it was the second game and it was setting up the situation for the third. And the fact that Dragon Age 2 wasn't an exact continuation of the story from Origins helped as well.

With Mass Effect, it has been five years of the same characters and story. And the ending should have been all about our choices over the course of three games. But all of it gets seemingly negated in five minutes. At least in Dragon Age 2, they had been setting up that the mages were not trusted and Anders was going to do something desperate. I was not at all ready for StarChild to come out of nowhere and the space magic that followed. 

Yeah I get that we were forced to choose a side, I just don't really understand why people were upset about that in regards to DA:2. Did people not realize from the cut scenes with Varric and the Seeker that pretty much everything was already set in stone? Once I compared the end of the game with how the game had been presented to me it didn't upset me, it made sense that things happened the way they did and I had very little input. What I got from how it played out was that some aspects could not be changed. There would be a side chosen, Hawke would have to leave but at least the ways of getting to these points would be our choice. It wasn't like they played it off as I'd have control over events. I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I just honestly don't understand. I didn't read press releases for DA:2 so did they lie to fans about what the game was going to be?

I don't disagree with anything you've said about ME3 because that's exactly how i felt. I didn't read press releases here either but at the start of ME3 it was clear this was supposed to a continuation of the story *I* developed. So yeah I was totally thrown for a loop with the ending.

[Zwei133]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Plummy wrote...


Retaking Omega would of been one off the DLC packs to come out........... as for impacting on the endings (if we had the endings we wanted) Improving our war assest somehow to give you a true paragon / renegade ending or something along those lines. Thinking about it now though.......... it would be hard to sell DLC just to enhance the story. Saying that they somehow managed it with ME2 so maybe we would get something that could carry over to ME4.............. yeah this is me hoping they fix the endings first.

Still here's for hoping
And
Holding the line!

I am always confused by the retake omega Dlc rumors, I was always udner the impression Aria was lending you the mercs untill you defeated the reapers, then she would try and retake omega back, so It could not take place before the endings? or am I missing somthing?

None of us thought a starchild would exist either, but there he was.

Just add it to the list of plot holes, though I'm sure that is being redirected to /dev/null at this point.

[Geinen]

Cybermortis wrote...

They are being fair and impartial...and no in any shape or form being swayed by one of their jour...Jour...staff being in the game.

...I, for one, have found myself avoiding IGN and gamespot since this started.  They make me iritated... 

[Cybermortis]

Jere85 wrote...

thormir wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

So... everyone, you all real soldiers here? who here is ready to hold the line for 14 more days?
Hoo-ah!

at least you are army and not that stupid hoo-rah marines stuff

Scouts out

Psst, we are all nerds and proud of it.

Humm, Nerds with guns....

[Plummy]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

I am always confused by the retake omega Dlc rumors, I was always udner the impression Aria was lending you the mercs untill you defeated the reapers, then she would try and retake omega back, so It could not take place before the endings? or am I missing somthing?

No doubts she'll tell you she has some kind of super awesome pew pew lazor beam weapon of one shotting reaper doom stashed away on omega and she want's you to take it back so you can gain access to it or something along those lines. As people pointed out and i'm sure you seen as well on the galaxy map before the final battle for earth (and the epic CGI space battle.............. did anyone else want more?) there where 4 places you couldnt head to and omega was one off them.

As for the 'DLC'
Then it might be something really silly like a skin's DLC or extra new weapons that go pew pew......... will they pew pew the star child though?

Modifié par Plummy, 23 mars 2012 - 03:57 .

[DJBare]

Ossborn76 wrote...

Back to hold the line... or better to say: the sick bay... been spending the whole week optimizing the Normandy´s VI-Core (or in real life: testing Laptop RAM) and my back hurts like hell now...

Anyway, I wanted to share this with you, I had an Idea for a new picture (unfortunately I had to use my customized Shepard for this, as I didn´t play with the standard ones yet...) 

*Laughs* that's cool.

[Solmanian]

these thread still exist? shouldn't they shut it down allready for being too long?2296 pages? realy?

[Geinen]

Solmanian wrote...

these thread still exist? shouldn't they shut it down allready for being too long?2296 pages? realy?

I know right?  totally against bioware forum rules to have a long thread.  Shame on us!

[MysticBinary82]

LadyMarisa wrote...

I know this is kind of off topic so I hope you'll forgive me as I'm not trying to derail the thread. I've seen several posts (not all of them recent) where people who did not like the ending of ME 3 also did not like DA:2.

Am I the only one that liked that game?

No, I liked DA2 too. The end was not super brilliant but it fit the story