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#57451
TheSimbul

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Feraiin wrote...

So far, we have NOTHING concrete. What we have is:

A) Multiple statements from BioWare, Casey and Muzyka, that they are very aware of what is going on and that they're going through the feedback...

B) The knowledge that DLC is coming...
They say it'll bring closure, but it is all vague. Until I see an official post on FB or here, saying "DLC "NameXYZ" is underway, experience the aftermath of the final battle/see what's next/finish your playthrough in a new way", the line will be held.


^Basically, this.^_^

#57452
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deregen wrote...

AJanitor wrote...

*snip*

I still believe Bioware can be different, but the longer they wait the more they risk of creating a permanent reputation in people's minds.


This is EXACTLY where I am right now. I will hold out hope until the "further details" are revealed in April. But if we get more of the same PR doublespeak, I will definitely walk away and not even feel bad about not looking back.


Yup. It's kind of like a breakup. There's initially a big fight and you part ways, maybe you hold to hope you get back together, maybe he/she will admit they were wrong. Sometimes people pull through, make amends and it the relationship can work. But often, they just accept the new reality and never want to speak to that person again.

Really that's what I fear may happen here. If Bioware doesn't do anything people are just going to be done. The next game they announce will be met with a ton of jokes and jabs at their new reputation and the smallest issues they have with it will be picked apart at people who want to see signs that the "breakup" was legitimate and deserved.

They really need to pull it together soon. I'm rooting for them, but I'm not above walking out either.

#57453
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Kazaru wrote...
first it was a bug now it's a feature


Times are changing ;)

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AJanitor wrote...

Yup. It's kind of like a breakup. There's initially a big fight and you part ways, maybe you hold to hope you get back together, maybe he/she will admit they were wrong. Sometimes people pull through, make amends and it the relationship can work. But often, they just accept the new reality and never want to speak to that person again.


Or you could lock them in the basement until they change their minds.

*Looks around*

Why is everyone giving me strange looks and slowly backing away...?

#57455
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Cybermortis wrote...

Or you could lock them in the basement until they change their minds.

*Looks around*

Why is everyone giving me strange looks and slowly backing away...?



ROFL!!  Youre awesome

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chmarr wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

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^^ this would be a cool ending

  

Thanks , its nothing over philosophical but it makes some nice  points and does not try to beat you over the head. I always hated authors the  beat me over the head with philosophies and things.  Instead of letthing the lessons come out  from the characters stories playing out.   Lessons the characters learn are the lessions the reader so reflect on learn from.

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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Atrocity wrote...



Yeah, I get you as well, the examples are mostly from tv-shows, and game is another thing entirely, and if, IF this was a planned move, it would (At least I hope it would) be handled quite differently. There are plenty of examples using social media, tweets and such to create an atmosphere where the fans/consumers feels like they are interactively engaged, BUT not genuinely 'fighting' to get what they deserve.

Apparently something like that went on with the new Sherlock Holmes series, I don't know, I have never watched it, but that's what a friend of mine keeps bringing up when I rant about our ending and Bioware's/EA's responses and so on.



Lol, I think they are talking about the original campaign to bring sherlock holmes back after he was killed of by Sir Arthur C.D, so he could concentrate on other projects, thats ancient history now.


No, they meant something with the new series, that much is certain, but anyhow, that's off topic.

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Matt_gekko88 wrote...

When is the PAX?


April 6 i belive.

#57459
Kyria Nyriese

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Cybermortis wrote...

AJanitor wrote...

Yup. It's kind of like a breakup. There's initially a big fight and you part ways, maybe you hold to hope you get back together, maybe he/she will admit they were wrong. Sometimes people pull through, make amends and it the relationship can work. But often, they just accept the new reality and never want to speak to that person again.


Or you could lock them in the basement until they change their minds.

*Looks around*

Why is everyone giving me strange looks and slowly backing away...?


I so needed that ROFL

#57460
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we need to make sure our voices are heard at PAX

#57461
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Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Let's not get into bashing Bioware territory here. 

Most of the articles I have read about this have been reporting on what Dr. Muzyka posted and spinning it to look like we're supposed to get what we're after.  They are also taking the ending of the Charity drive as being an indication that the movement is winding down. 

We know it's not, Bioware knows it's not.  Let's not get into it over what the media wants to think.  Remember, they want to inflame more than inform.

Quite! I don't think Bioware is taking what's printed in the newspapers as gospel either. I think they're still watching the boards really closely.

#57462
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Cybermortis wrote...

AJanitor wrote...

Yup. It's kind of like a breakup. There's initially a big fight and you part ways, maybe you hold to hope you get back together, maybe he/she will admit they were wrong. Sometimes people pull through, make amends and it the relationship can work. But often, they just accept the new reality and never want to speak to that person again.


Or you could lock them in the basement until they change their minds.

*Looks around*

Why is everyone giving me strange looks and slowly backing away...?

Lol love it!

#57463
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bluewolv1970 wrote...
we need to make sure our voices are heard at PAX

Agreed, that does not mean however shouting at them B)

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bluewolv1970 wrote...

we need to make sure our voices are heard at PAX


There's a link in the thread I posted on the HTL site (acutally a link back to a thread here).
http://www.holdtheli...-east-panel.46/

We should point to it whenever someone asks us about our intentions at PAX

Modifié par Hydralysk, 23 mars 2012 - 04:46 .


#57465
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The media are playing a VERY dirty game right now. They're spinning the story that we're finished, and lying about the statement to make it look like we're happy with the way things are.

This is a building block for when bioware release 30 seconds of additional scenes onto the current ending, so that when we continue to complain we're completely discredited. It might sound cynical, but I am certain that this is whats happening.

#57466
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Mess Sergeant Rupert Gardner telling me its tea time catch u later

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Cybermortis wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

"Different, memorable endings" they said.

"Choices matter and reflect in endings" they said.

"Not true" we said.

"Art" they say.


"Art" is not an ultimat shield answer to justify your opinion without giving argument to back your claim.
if the claim "choices matter and reflect in the ending" they could justify it without "art" excuses.


I think the best way to respond to the argument I've ever heard was in my college newspaper a few years back... "You can crap on a plate and call it art..."
certainly you have every right to crap on a plate and call it art... but you still crapped on a plate and people are most-likely going to be disgusted by it.



The more straightforward response is 'If this is art, and art can't be changed, then they shouldn't produce or release any DLC. That changes the 'art' of the game doesn't it...'


http://social.biowar...ndex/10492461/2
My thought on art as someone who spent 3 years in art school, worked in video game industry and being freelancer actualy.

Art is not static, his concept itself have to adapt with the new environement we (artist) get, from mentality to technological progress.

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Feraiin wrote...

So far, we have NOTHING concrete. What we have is:

A) Multiple statements from BioWare, Casey and Muzyka, that they are very aware of what is going on and that they're going through the feedback. Good. That's a start, but it's the same announcement over and over. Until April, it seems, that won't change either.

B) The knowledge that DLC is coming. I did not need a statement at all to figure that out. I have pretty much all the DLC from ME2 and I yes, that was costly, but it was worth it, for me at least.
If the DLC was so successful in ME2, you can bet your collective behinds there will be DLC for ME3, so that is not news.

They say it'll bring closure, but it is all vague. Until I see an official post on FB or here, saying "DLC "NameXYZ" is underway, experience the aftermath of the final battle/see what's next/finish your playthrough in a new way", the line will be held.



That's what I keep saying, but people are still excited. Personally I'm still waiting to see what they actually give us, until then I'm not really getting my hopes up, since it sounds more like they want to put in somethign that explains the ending rather than offer an actualy better one.

#57470
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Good afternoon, early evening (here) good morning, evening etc to the rest of the world.

Has there been anything that stands out happenening today? I've been offline for about 12/15 hours now.

STILL HOLDING.

#57471
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Ok, I finished reading the ign 'article' about movement winding down, and am currently torturing myself with the comments. Is it usually this hostile there, or has the place been overrun by hairy creatures with tails and fangs? Just so I know whether to steer even clearer of the place in the future.

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About some people leaving the line...
I've got a lot of thing to do... i cannot write so much as i've done those days... however i'm working for the movement as much and hard as i can ;)

I am holding the line :wizard:

#57473
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please remain all calm. they just want us to rage and that we make mistakes so they can point at us and say: look at that rude horde of poor geeks... dont let that happen!

#57474
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Annaleah wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

"Different, memorable endings" they said.

"Choices matter and reflect in endings" they said.

"Not true" we said.

"Art" they say.


"Art" is not an ultimat shield answer to justify your opinion without giving argument to back your claim.
if the claim "choices matter and reflect in the ending" they could justify it without "art" excuses.


I think the best way to respond to the argument I've ever heard was in my college newspaper a few years back... "You can crap on a plate and call it art..."
certainly you have every right to crap on a plate and call it art... but you still crapped on a plate and people are most-likely going to be disgusted by it.

Michaelanglo stayed out of prisn  by painting the Cistine Chapel. He painted what the church wanted. DaVinci Painted, designed and engineered for anyone willing to pay him, he stayed alive..  Degas, Renoir, most of the rest we know only because of paintings they were contracted to paint. The Realists, cubists, Modernists, all of them, except Van Gogh. He died a humble peasant.
Shakespear rewrote many of his plays several times to meet public expectations. So much so there are "still" debates and arguments going around as to which are real and which not. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, when faced with publick outrage at his killing Sherlock Holmes, rewrote that ending as well.. Thousands of times throughout history true artists have worked and reworked their creations to meet expectations. In fact, the only people who have never had to rework their creations are the myriads of little old rich ladies with no talent whatsoever plying away in the middle of their day drawing horrible daisies to foist on anyone that walks into their house.
In light of the realities presented by history, the claim that Mass Effect is art, simply does not hold up. It could have been had they listened to us without the hubris, but as it stands, Mass Effect, with its abominable ending, is little more than a fuchsia daisie painted on a puce background, and the artistic argument, holds no water at all..

#57475
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Hey back on the Line.

Any news?