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[soltenshi]

As some/many here are, I am getting tired also. Tired and disappointed.
I do hope and would really appreciate if we are going to get some nice DLC, giving us answers and a brand new ending which complies to the best ME ideas/concepts which we have come to love (instead of ignoring/ruining them).
If that is not the case... then this disappointment with the very ending of ME-series will hold in my memory for the Bioware, EA and all the video-gaming industry.
It is very displeasing to see such an ending. Like cummin' before stickin'. 80 hours of foreplay and a goddamn ****** into a tube.

[TheSimbul]

Richard 060 wrote...

Not to get all 'off-topic' but does anyone know where best to post ideas for possible ending revisions?

Because I've come up with something that I think might just solve things for everybody, in a logical, satisfying way, while maintaining the established endings for those who want to keep them. And I mean EVERYTHING gets solved:

- a better, more logical version of the Reapers' origins

- EMS and War Assets count for much more, in a really tangible way

- Paragon/Renegade options exist, plus reputation is taken into account

- Tweaks are made, getting rid of the lore errors and continuity flubs

- Epilogues and closure! Each version has it's own follow-up, but with room for speculation about 'where do we go from here?'

- Thematically fits better with the true theme of the series - choices and self-determinism versus inevitability. A meta-statement on the nature of choice-based storytelling such as Mass Effect


...and best of all? I reckon it'd take less work to create and implement than 'Lair of the Shadow Broker' did for ME2, so it'd be entirely feasible to do.


I'm probably going to create a massive new thread in this sub-forum to elaborate on it, but I'm pretty convinced that this might be the 'eureka!' solution we've all been looking for.

Please do...if all else fails, it will help us with head cannin later on lol
And it's always good to see what the fans can come up with!

[cyrrant]

soltenshi wrote...

As some/many here are, I am getting tired also. Tired and disappointed.
I do hope and would really appreciate if we are going to get some nice DLC, giving us answers and a brand new ending which complies to the best ME ideas/concepts which we have come to love (instead of ignoring/ruining them).
If that is not the case... then this disappointment with the very ending of ME-series will hold in my memory for the Bioware, EA and all the video-gaming industry.
It is very displeasing to see such an ending. Like cummin' before stickin'. 80 hours of foreplay and a goddamn ****** into a tube.

It was a common saying in the PR thread, but it's very important that if you're tired, you take a break.  This is going to take a while, and we don't need dedicated posters burning out.  Retake Mass Effect is in this for the long haul, so it can't hurt to take a couple hours (or a day) and do something else for a bit.  We'll be here when you get back and I think at this point, Bioware knows that even if people are quiet, that doesn't mean they tacitly agree that the endings don't need to be fixed.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[Geda173]

Becoming tired is okay. We got a statement from the CEO of Bioware. They are working on something and that will take time. Even if we stopped with this whole movement right now: They have to deliver something. If they don't, they make jokes of themselves.

[Alamandorious]

Back on the line. Anything new since yesterday?

[cyrrant]

Geda173 wrote...

Becoming tired is okay. We got a statement from the CEO of Bioware. They are working on something and that will take time. Even if we stopped with this whole movement right now: They have to deliver something. If they don't, they make jokes of themselves.

That statement had a lot of wiggle room in it.  If they see the movement go dark entirely they may end up just slightly modifying the existing endings and not fixing the root of the problem.

[Misterdde45000]

Geda173 wrote...

Becoming tired is okay. We got a statement from the CEO of Bioware. They are working on something and that will take time. Even if we stopped with this whole movement right now: They have to deliver something. If they don't, they make jokes of themselves.

Working on " clarification and closure " is way behind what we were asking :/ Now i'm get the " fan will not be satisfied " point at dev's meeting. hard to really feel listen by them in those conditions.

[soltenshi]

cyrrant wrote...

soltenshi wrote...

As some/many here are, I am getting tired also. Tired and disappointed.
I do hope and would really appreciate if we are going to get some nice DLC, giving us answers and a brand new ending which complies to the best ME ideas/concepts which we have come to love (instead of ignoring/ruining them).
If that is not the case... then this disappointment with the very ending of ME-series will hold in my memory for the Bioware, EA and all the video-gaming industry.
It is very displeasing to see such an ending. Like cummin' before stickin'. 80 hours of foreplay and a goddamn ****** into a tube.

It was a common saying in the PR thread, but it's very important that if you're tired, you take a break.  This is going to take a while, and we don't need dedicated posters burning out.  Retake Mass Effect is in this for the long haul, so it can't hurt to take a couple hours (or a day) and do something else for a bit.  We'll be here when you get back and I think at this point, Bioware knows that even if people are quiet, that doesn't mean they tacitly agree that the endings don't need to be fixed.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

Thanks Cyrrant. I appreciate.
I guess a break should help.

[Alikan]

Geda173 wrote...

Becoming tired is okay. We got a statement from the CEO of Bioware. They are working on something and that will take time. Even if we stopped with this whole movement right now: They have to deliver something. If they don't, they make jokes of themselves.

Well, i am in the camp of what we are going to get will be some addition that just expands and tries to explain the current end. Which in my opinion will just underscore how bad it was.

Cynical? Perhaps, but i can in all honesty not be anything else at this point. Considering what they claimed/promised/hyped about the endings it will not cut it for me to save the franschise for me.

Modifié par Alikan, 23 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[chrrue_]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would pay for Happy Ending DLC. No joke.

I won't. This whole debacle altered my view on beeing a consumer (of course an ongoing process) and I have been thinking a lot, how companys think they can lie to me, without any hesitation. I'm not saying that BW are the bad guys, they're just a company of many.
This particular disappointment hit harder than others, because this one affected one of my hobbies, so i think the time has come (at least for me) to say 'no'.

Maybe it's time that companies see us as people, not just consumers

Modifié par chrrue_, 23 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[Zwei133]

Prince Lex wrote...

The media are playing a VERY dirty game right now. They're spinning the story that we're finished, and lying about the statement to make it look like we're happy with the way things are.

This is a building block for when bioware release 30 seconds of additional scenes onto the current ending, so that when we continue to complain we're completely discredited. It might sound cynical, but I am certain that this is whats happening.

Possible.  And not surprising, given the apparently close relationship between IGN and BioWare.

chujwamdotego wrote...

Joe vas Normandy wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would pay for Happy Ending DLC. No joke.

I also would pay for my "Happy ending ".../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png
All
jokes aside, I know this will probably set a bad precedent for
developers(Sell the good endings via DLC) but I'm willing to to do it
just this once.../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

*snip*

I would pay also. Handsomely, even us much as for full game to get my happy ending.

This is more to the point.  It is starting to look more and more like BioWare did this as a way to make money on overpriced DLC.

Modifié par Zwei133, 23 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[mulder1199]

SassyJazRzmataz wrote...

I think the thing that bothers me the most is the whole "maintaining artistic integrity" argument. As an artist myself, and one that does commissions I might add, if a client is unhappy with my work I will go back and redo it.

I guess I'm just becoming more and more jaded about the whole thing. Mass Effect was my safe haven. I have been disappointed and burned so many times as of late with my other favorite game series, I thought ME would at least end on a decent note. Look how well that turned out.

eh, they can revel in their artistic integrity with the folks that like the ending and laugh at us for how dumb we are....

also make big cash selling a good end dlc in the process.....

[DJBare]

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[TheSimbul]

Hydralysk wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Remember, people: now is the time to let Bioware know that we won't be satisfied with anything but new, real, satisfying endings. By this point, they must know that they need to do something. Given the tone of Dr. Muzyka's statement, it may be that they're considering releasing content that tries to explain away the plot holes of the current endings and that gives a little more information about what happens to the crew and the galaxy.

I don't think that's good enough. I want new endings free of plot holes, free of Starchildren, and free of logical contradictions. I want new endings that provide actual closure. I want new endings that allow my Shep to live and reunite with his friends and love interest. I want new endings where Shep fails. I want new endings that leave the mass relays intact. Above all, I want endings that make my choices throughout the trilogy matter.

Anything less is not good enough, and we need to let Bioware know that now, when they are still deciding what to do.

So let them know in this thread. Let them know in the feedback thread. Let them know on Twitter. Let them know by e-mail (contact@bioware.com). Let them know by letter. And, if you haven't yet, vote in this poll.

Self-bump. (I posted this about 50 pages back, and I think it's important)

I actually ended up sending a letter about ray's statement off yesterday, good to know I wans't alone.

Because this message deserves to be spread. The time is now people!

[mulder1199]

chujwamdotego wrote...

Joe vas Normandy wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would pay for Happy Ending DLC. No joke.

I also would pay for my "Happy ending ".
All jokes aside, I know this will probably set a bad precedent for developers(Sell the good endings via DLC) but I'm willing to to do it just this once.<_<
(And apparently my sister is too since she cried at "The INJUSTICE of it!!!" when she saw the ending...)

I would pay also. Handsomely, even us much as for full game to get my happy ending.

i for one, don't think it will set a bad precedent for developers....actually i think this will be better for the consumer in the long run.....developers will have to deliver on what they promise or they could deal with an outcry like this....

i for one will be much more cautious in my pre-orders in the future....

[Zwei133]

I think the bad precedent being set is that developers can release half-finished products, then charge your for the remainder as DLC.

[soltenshi]

mulder1199 wrote...

SassyJazRzmataz wrote...

I think the thing that bothers me the most is the whole "maintaining artistic integrity" argument. As an artist myself, and one that does commissions I might add, if a client is unhappy with my work I will go back and redo it.

I guess I'm just becoming more and more jaded about the whole thing. Mass Effect was my safe haven. I have been disappointed and burned so many times as of late with my other favorite game series, I thought ME would at least end on a decent note. Look how well that turned out.

eh, they can revel in their artistic integrity with the folks that like the ending and laugh at us for how dumb we are....

also make big cash selling a good end dlc in the process.....

I'm pretty sure there's more to it than just laughing at us
They should've looked at Blizzard with all their' late releases.
I'd like it much more to have ME3 released way off the original plan, even off hte second plan, even a year later.. if that would be the cost to pay to have a very complex and beautiful ending.

[cyrrant]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would pay for Happy Ending DLC. No joke.

I haven't determined exactly how much it's worth to me, but with how I feel right now about the entire franchise, the amount of money I'd pay to make the hurt go away may be at or near the price of a full game.  It's not exactly consumer-savvy, but that's how invested I was in Mass Effect.

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[chrrue_]

Zwei133 wrote...

I think the bad precedent being set is that developers can release half-finished products, then charge your for the remainder as DLC.

This

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[Feraiin]

mulder1199 wrote...

eh, they can revel in their artistic integrity with the folks that like the ending and laugh at us for how dumb we are....

also make big cash selling a good end dlc in the process.....

If that is what happens, they can be happy about the cash. I hope they take a Scrooge McDuck jump into it. Because afterwards I think there won't be a lot of revenue to look at, if this is what they're trying to get away with.

Btw, this is not an attack on Bioware or anything, I'm just exaggerating for the sake of comedy.

[J5550123]

chrrue_ wrote...

Zwei133 wrote...

I think the bad precedent being set is that developers can release half-finished products, then charge your for the remainder as DLC.

This

And a lot of people are against us for not liking the endings.

[Darth_Acheron47]

I think I'd probably pay for ending DLC, but that would be the last thing I'd ever buy from BW and/or EA. If they end up releasing something and charging for it, I think it'll be seen as intentional - a way for them to make additional money from their loyal fans by providing a sub-standard product the first time around.

Even with that, I'd pay for it just to make the problem go away. Which is terrible, but it's the truth.

[Phoenix NL]

Remember - this is about us being patient and sticking to our guns. Don't let yourselves get burned out.

There's a phrase in dutch "sterkte", it's literal translation is strength but it's more than that. You say it to people who are facing something difficult or are having a hard time - in practice it means "have the strength to persevere" or "stay strong". So I wish you all sterkte and remember that we're all in this together and if you need some time away we'll still be here when you get back )

[MikeFL25]

After reading the BioWare twitter page and the statement by BioWare's exec, I have to say I am confused about that this DLC will supposedly be.

I don't want to sound insolent or anything, but I don't think BioWare is really listening to what we have to say. The only way they can salvage the current ending is if they plan on releasing DLC explaining the Indoc theory and extending the ending after Shepard wakes up. Otherwise, the entire ending needs to be scrapped and redone, there are just too many plotholes and no closure on anything.

I'd be overjoyed to see a happy ending, but even one that simply makes sense will be enough, if not ideal, but it will be enough.

I love BioWare and I love the Mass Effect series, I am eternally optimistic that they will doi right by us and the ME series by delivering us a fitting ending. But if they dont...its safe to say the entire ME series will be forever tainted, at least for me.