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[chujwamdotego]

mulder1199 wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

Slightly off-topic:

I like beer.

The more I drink of it right the more optimistic I am. I'm just thinking:
1. Bioware set standards for RPG industry,
2. Bioware always made believable characters and always delivered what was promised,
3. Bioware knows how to properly end their stories (BG1, BG2, KOTOR, ME1, ME2, etc.),
4. Bioware have been taking feedback from fans for years.

And suddenly they come up with crap like ME3 ending? Something's fishy...

I hope my beer-state-senses are right.

I only fear what will happen when there is no more beer in the fridge....

are you within walking distance of the store? do you have a driver?

I am sole driver in da house, but store IS within walking distance Hope it's not closed already though...

[Hydralysk]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...
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This was a wonderful post, and I agree with it completely. If you haven't already can you post this in the ray muzyka feedback forum as well? I think Bioware would benefit from reading it, assuming they actually are reading it as they say.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 23 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Hydralysk wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...
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This was a wonderful post, and I agree with it completely. If you haven't already can you post this in the ray muzyka feedback forum as well? I think Bioware would benefit from reading it, assuming they actually are reading it as they say.

Sounds like they've already decided what they are gonna do with the ending, but its worth posting it there anyway.

[Mastermadskills]

Kurt the combat medic, stocked up with medigel and reporting in.

What news?

[toffeetrooper]

Paul Tassi ‎@Andrew Meadows I think traditional outlets made a mistake by dismissing fans criticisms with such disdain. A difference of opinion is fine, but no need to mock your readers. But past that, objectively, I think there is something to be said about keeping brand trust intact and such a thing could impact future content or game sales.

[Phoenix NL]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Dark, bittersweet, bitter, happy endings.  The first three do not fit into the Mass Effect Universe that I have come to love.  Every story has been about overcoming the odds, hope, doing the impossible.  So at the end we just give up.  That is what it felt like to me that my Shepard was doing when she faced the 'Catalyst' at the end.  She just gave up,
didn't fight the 'inevitable'. 

This is what I loved about the other games the triumph over the odds. A perfect example for me was at the end of ME1 (and I'm sure I'm not alone in this) when the fleets come in to attack Sovereign and Joker takes the Normandy and lines it up for the death blow I was in my living room shouting "Hell yeah!" at the tv. This is what I expect from the end of my ME3 game - I want that "hell yeah!" moment where it all comes together, where all that time and effort and negotiation and relationship building pays off - and when the Normandy comes in to show why it is the most awesome ship in the galaxy. (side note - Anderson is NOT taking my ship from me. Call me Gollum if you like but the Normandy is mine.....)

[Atrocity]

Mastermadskills wrote...

Kurt the combat medic, stocked up with medigel and reporting in.

What news?

IGN continues to bash us whenever they can, guys from Forbes are doing a live-chat in Facebook, other than that, pretty much Nothing New from the Western Front.

//
www.facebook.com/forbes/posts/196464087130271

link to the chat

Modifié par Atrocity, 23 mars 2012 - 06:34 .

[Kyria Nyriese]

Hydralysk wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...
*cut for length*

This was a wonderful post, and I agree with it completely. If you haven't already can you post this in the ray muzyka feedback forum as well? I think Bioware would benefit from reading it, assuming they actually are reading it as they say.

Posted there as well now

[Shaun72]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Hello, good people. Any news?

Holding the line.

Posts like this are going to end up being the downfall of this thread.

If you want to know the 'news', then READ the thread. And it is already assumed that everyone here is 'holding the line' so there is no need to check in just to let everyone know that.

[Captain_Obvious]

Phoenix NL wrote...

*partial snip for brevity*

This is what I loved about the other games the triumph over the odds.

Agreed x100. Overcoming odds have always been the primary theme for me as well. 

Captain Obvious reporting for daily check in.  

Hold the line. 

[link33333]

A good thread that summarizes what we were told to expect with me3

http://www.gamespot....ensed-62267857/ 

I especially like this one:

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”
[/i]

Modifié par link33333, 23 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[toffeetrooper]

sat over on facebook the forbes guys eric kain and pual tassi are telling it like it is

[Zwei133]

Paul Tassi and Eric Kain have certainly earned my respect. Just saying.

[Rdubs]

ld1449 wrote...

Rdubs wrote...



They are just hoping that now that we have something to possibly look forward to, we will all calm down and wait.  Then when next month rolls around and they roll out a three minute "clarification" piece which shows Joker zooming in to pick up our squaddies and then trying to run away (filling that massive plot hole), they're hoping enough of us have moved well into the "acceptance" phase that the fires will burn a lot less brightly a month from now.  Trust me, read ray's statement carefully, it does not sound like someone admitting maybe they miscalculated - it comes across as, I'm sorry SOME of our fans are too stupid to understand our creative genius so we'll help them (and oh by the way thanks for pointing out those massive plot holes casey and mac missed, we'll be sure to now plug those).

I don't think they'd be as brazen or stupid to do that. Nobody who actually values their job and their money would. Dr. Ray was not involved in the project at all. I'm pretty sure everything to him was running smoothly one second the next, Leroy Jenkins jumped the gun, charged in and screwed everyone over.

No one want's to call in their boss to do PR damage control, that means, internally that SOMEBODY had to walk over to their boss and admit that they've made a mistake that cost the company hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not a few million.

I'm pretty sure they just told him the bare minimum, the PR people wrote him up a script, that makes it so that the company doesn't comit to anything. Them just coming out and saying "You'll get the endings" just locks them into place too tightly for any corporation/buisness of this size to feel secure.

But yea, I do have some optimism that it won't just be a patch , an extra cinematic or two, and three or four codex entries (I don't think anything could really explain the plotholes anyway.)

But until I have the DLC that's satisfactory to me in my HDD I'll stand here and hold the line.

LD1449...what is the expression..."from your lips to God's ears."  Well said.  The only thing we can hope for is if they try a bunkering-down stunt like that, people will feel they've been lied to AGAIN and at that point even people who aren't upset about the ending may become upset about the way it was handled.

[Darth Garrus]

Shaun72 wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Hello, good people. Any news?

Holding the line.

Posts like this are going to end up being the downfall of this thread.

If you want to know the 'news', then READ the thread. And it is already assumed that everyone here is 'holding the line' so there is no need to check in just to let everyone know that.

Sorry if you feel that way. I'm here at least 2 times a day, and usually stay for hours. But after a day's work, there are dozens of new pages. Me, and most everyone, ask about any important news. And it usually helps. Sorry if you don't agree.

[mulder1199]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

*partial snip for brevity*

This is what I loved about the other games the triumph over the odds.

Agreed x100. Overcoming odds have always been the primary theme for me as well. 

Captain Obvious reporting for daily check in.  

Hold the line. 

agreed none of my sheps would have ever accepted what the 'cattle-ist' was saying...he would have said   'there must be another way, I SHOULD GO'

[chujwamdotego]

One of facebook users, engaged in chat with forbes said:
Brian David K. Lake ‎@Andrew Hojnacki: You may not care my thoughts, but we've already seen leaks of the DLC, we'll get an Omega DLC, an Epilogue / Closure DLC (which is in no way what the Retake movement has been fighting for and will make them outraged), and multiplayer map packs plus additional character DLC, one that fits in the Life Support bay.

[Utopianus]

J.Random wrote...

*snip*

True. Those people who "understand" the ending though, don't care about how it sticks to the Mass Effect universe. They don't see plotholes, they don't care about crew running from Shepard. And all of this kinda means that they didn't really pay attention to the game. Or didn't play it at all, maybe.

I'm kind of guessing that there are non-RPG gamers who see enough Shooter in the game to want to play, but don't pay much attention to the story - perhaps not even caring all that much. And then there might also be some of whom are new to ME3 and have no empathetic connection established with any characters - in that case the game isn't all that bad in of itself, as plot holes would not be obvious, ending would not give the same punch of a sense of unfulfilment and incompleteness, and they would be oblivious to the fact that part of the fun in ME is replayability - to have a variety of distinctly different endings so you can tweak your choices throughout the game for a different ending.

[NeverQuiteAwake]

I like this quote from the Forbes livechat.

Paul Tassi: "Would you be pissed if George Lucas went back and re-did the crappy prequel trilogy and made it awesome? It might be changing his "artistic vision" but if it makes it better and satisfies fans, who cares?"

[Phoenix NL]

chujwamdotego wrote...

One of facebook users, engaged in chat with forbes said:
Brian David K. Lake ‎@Andrew Hojnacki: You may not care my thoughts, but we've already seen leaks of the DLC, we'll get an Omega DLC, an Epilogue / Closure DLC (which is in no way what the Retake movement has been fighting for and will make them outraged), and multiplayer map packs plus additional character DLC, one that fits in the Life Support bay.

I've heard bits about the Aria DLC and that doesn't surprise me, nor does the MP / weapon stuff but where does he get the info on an additional character?

[Atrocity]

chujwamdotego wrote...

One of facebook users, engaged in chat with forbes said:
Brian David K. Lake ‎@Andrew Hojnacki: You may not care my thoughts, but we've already seen leaks of the DLC, we'll get an Omega DLC, an Epilogue / Closure DLC (which is in no way what the Retake movement has been fighting for and will make them outraged), and multiplayer map packs plus additional character DLC, one that fits in the Life Support bay.

Yeah, I read that too, and he didn't back it up with anything, so for the time being I'm going to assume he is just doing what the rest of us are doing: speculating.

[Kyria Nyriese]

J.Random wrote...

*snip*

True. Those people who "understand" the ending though, don't care about how it sticks to the Mass Effect universe. They don't see plotholes, they don't care about crew running from Shepard. And all of this kinda means that they didn't really pay attention to the game. Or didn't play it at all, maybe.

I "understand" the ending, I don't think it fits anywhere within the Mass Effect universe.  The plot holes are huge and just do not fit the atmosphere of the universe.

[Phoenix NL]

Atrocity wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

One of facebook users, engaged in chat with forbes said:
Brian David K. Lake ‎@Andrew Hojnacki: You may not care my thoughts, but we've already seen leaks of the DLC, we'll get an Omega DLC, an Epilogue / Closure DLC (which is in no way what the Retake movement has been fighting for and will make them outraged), and multiplayer map packs plus additional character DLC, one that fits in the Life Support bay.

Yeah, I read that too, and he didn't back it up with anything, so for the time being I'm going to assume he is just doing what the rest of us are doing: speculating.

Well more we cannot do until April. Doesn't mean we can't live in hope

[sumo390]

Zwei133 wrote...

Paul Tassi and Eric Kain have certainly earned my respect. Just saying.

Yep, they've been a voice of reason that sticks out from the PR garbage on other sites.

[BlackDevil06]

Well, thank god I don't have to buy anything. If there won't be a DLC that provides a wider variety of endings, then I see no reason to buy it.

I can spend my money elsewhere.