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[MysticBinary82]

here a quote from forbes Facebook chat

Andrew Schiffbauer
Narrative corners! I am beginning to believe the endings were written because Bioware had written themselves into a narrative corner. They wanted to end Shepherds story definitively and continue using the universe. The Elephant in the room however is this Big Damn Hero that the players Shepherd represents from ME1-3, a universe shaping messianic figure of legend on par with King Arthur (or even more religious figures, if your so inclined). There would be too many variables in every persons shepherd to ever address him, and this figure would loom and overshadow everything the player did. So they needed a world where Shepherd would be a dimly remembered legend or a non-factor. This presented them with some interesting non-choices: prequels, which could potentially snarl existing continuity as well as present a situation where technology and lore in universe had to logically -REGRESS- ((back to no thermal clips!)); or a Far Future where Shepherd is forgotten or legend, which would logically be -far- in advance of current Mass Effect's universe, effectively changing it completly. I believe they felt the only way they could re-use mass effect was to destroy it and bring about the "galactic dark age" (referenced in 'The Final Hours of Mass Effect"). Then, after the Big Damn Timeskip © of 10,000 years to the time of the 'Stargazer' figure, technoligy could have re-evolved or been rediscovered to Mass Effect's scale. This also allowed them to handle niggling issues like the Krogan, Geth, and Quarians whose fates might not or could not match what players did in ME3, by essentially whiping the universe clean by making -everyone- extinct or simply 'uncontacted' and isolated off in their own parts of the universe. I expect that if/as Bioware carries the series forward, the next Mass Effect will have entirely new species and civilizations with only faint references to the old ones (as the Protheans were in ME1-3). Thoughts?

That seams plausible but if that was their intention I would not buy that new game. Not in a million years.
I like the races in ME and by removing them with mess genocide by shepard doesn't make him into the great legend they want us to see him. Failed Bioware

Modifié par MysticBinary82, 23 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[nitefyre410]

Benathorn wrote...

Forbes is doing an excellent job at answering and giving honest opinions. Heres a quote from Erik which gives his views on the subject:

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Erik Kain: "There have been a few questions on what our opinion of the Retake movement is and why we're taking it seriously. I think the Retake movement is a great example of grassroots customer dissatisfaction in the age of social media. I also think that any business should take complaints from customers seriously, and that it's simply bizarre for developers (or media) to write paying customers off as "entitled." This is especially true when the outcry is obviously not just a tiny vocal minority as some in the gaming press have argued. From a purely pragmatic stance, treating your customers as though they ought to just shut up and like anything you give them is extremely short-sighted and only works in very non-competitive industries like health insurance. Game developers do not have a captive audience and shouldn't act as though they do, for their own sake if nothing else."

 

Man Eric Kain is my  knew hero... this human understand so well.

[Shaun72]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Shaun72 wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Hello, good people. Any news?

Holding the line.

Posts like this are going to end up being the downfall of this thread.

If you want to know the 'news', then READ the thread. And it is already assumed that everyone here is 'holding the line' so there is no need to check in just to let everyone know that.

Sorry if you feel that way. I'm here at least 2 times a day, and usually stay for hours. But after a day's work, there are dozens of new pages. Me, and most everyone, ask about any important news. And it usually helps. Sorry if you don't agree.

Who says you have to skim dozens of pages? Any important news is bound to be all over the forum, not just in this thread. If you want to know any developments, they aren't hard to find. Besides, this isn't just about you......at least a dozen people seem to make posts like that everyday and the mods have made it clear recently that they are going to start closing threads if too many people start making posts that don't actually further the topic. But hey, if you would rather find that out the hard way, then feel free to keep at it.

[Bionic Weapon]

mulder1199 wrote...

Queenie4000 wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...
Also has anyone written an article on why the endings make sense and are established lore? Because I want to read it so as to understand their take.

^ This - would love to read also.  Most of what I have read with for people how agree with ending, never actually go into trying to disprove plotholes...or even just explain in plain terms what exactly we are seeing in the ending.

the quote from dr. ray says about closing up the holes.....

it's not acceptable to explain HOW the crew got on the normandy, BUT, why they would and take off from the battle.....that's utter nonsense

Oh I would so love to here that explained I truly would.

There is no why they left IMO because the crew would not leave Shepard behind.  Even if He/ she woke up and headed to the crucible, when said crew woke up minutes later, they would first gather their composure check to see if the other crew was ok then look for Shepard, see he/ she isn't there and figure he went into the beam. Then Rey would figure out what to do next which would not be abandon their commander. They'd either set up a small team and go find him/her or try to establish radio contact. If the latter failed the former would be put into action. 

There is no explaining that. It would go against everything the characters are about. Suddenly they are cowards and decide to run?? Not my Sheaprds crew, most likely none of yours. 

Im not trying to be difficult but I cannot accept a "why they ran" answer unless they were being chased by a Reaper and wre trying to escape it until it decided to try and kill someone else. Even then they would come back.


I dunno they can explain if they want but  that seems like no explanation is even needed since those characters would never abandon the man/ woman who would neve abandon them.

[leighzard]

Atrocity wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

One of facebook users, engaged in chat with forbes said:
Brian David K. Lake ‎@Andrew Hojnacki: You may not care my thoughts, but we've already seen leaks of the DLC, we'll get an Omega DLC, an Epilogue / Closure DLC (which is in no way what the Retake movement has been fighting for and will make them outraged), and multiplayer map packs plus additional character DLC, one that fits in the Life Support bay.

Yeah, I read that too, and he didn't back it up with anything, so for the time being I'm going to assume he is just doing what the rest of us are doing: speculating.

I thought a help Aria reconquer Omega dlc would be fun.  Too bad she died in Purgatory when the Citadel blew up. 

The ME twitter account said there was a clarity/closure dlc in the works.  Does part of my closure involve the Normandy returning from it's three hour tour?

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MysticBinary82 wrote...

That seams plausible but if that was their intention I would not buy that new game. Not in a million years.
I like the races in ME and by removing them with mess genocide by shepard doesn't make him into the great legend they want us to see him. Failed Bioware

Seconded. That sounds entirely awful.

[Dauw]

Dang this thread does move fast!
Now that's not a complaint, the more activity the better

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I "understand" the ending, I don't think it fits anywhere within the Mass Effect universe. The plot holes are huge and just do not fit the atmosphere of the universe.

Indeed, one could drive a semi through those plotholes. It's just mind boggling how they figured that people would be ok with this ending. I can forgive dropping the ball on who they hire to write their novels, but this?

[Atrocity]

Phoenix NL wrote...
Well more we cannot do until April. Doesn't mean we can't live in hope

True, I just wish my hope would include some other games, I have shelves full of them, but I just can't bring myself to enjoy a brisk camping+running around in Skyrim, or saving Japan in Okami, and as for Final Fantasy XIII... well, need I say more. 

I especially miss Skyrim, unfortunately my characters tend to be rogue/archer types, and my 1st class in MEs is always infiltrator, so yeah, Daedric Bow = Mantis VII. I thought even of starting a new run with my THE imported Shepard, just to experience the joy of getting reunited with Garrus, but that would mean cranking up Origin, and as things are at the moment, there is no way I sign in. <_<

[Joe vas Normandy]

Zwei133 wrote...

I think the bad precedent being set is that developers can release half-finished products, then charge your for the remainder as DLC.

I think that if they wanted to keep their so called "artistic integrity" intact they should keep their current ending like it is ,but add the extra "choice" of having more fulfilling "happier" endings via DLC. In an ideal world this extra ending should be free,but in the real world were developers, programmers, and voice actors cost money it would be okay by me if they charged  reasonable price for the "good ending DLC".

[Silasqtx]

Sup guys, SSV DaVinci reporting in. Any news?

[Phoenix NL]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

I dunno they can explain if they want but  that seems like no explanation is even needed since those characters would never abandon the man/ woman who would neve abandon them.

Very true, there's also the point that Admiral Hackett was able to contact Shepard while on the Citadel and so you would assume the your faithful crew members are also patched into your comms so would be able to contact you when they recovered from the blast.

[mulder1199]

[quote]Bionic Weapon wrote...

[quote]mulder1199 wrote...

Oh I would so love to here that explained I truly would.

There is no why they left IMO because the crew would not leave Shepard behind.  Even if He/ she woke up and headed to the crucible, when said crew woke up minutes later, they would first gather their composure check to see if the other crew was ok then look for Shepard, see he/ she isn't there and figure he went into the beam. Then Rey would figure out what to do next which would not be abandon their commander. They'd either set up a small team and go find him/her or try to establish radio contact. If the latter failed the former would be put into action. 

There is no explaining that. It would go against everything the characters are about. Suddenly they are cowards and decide to run?? Not my Sheaprds crew, most likely none of yours. 

Im not trying to be difficult but I cannot accept a "why they ran" answer unless they were being chased by a Reaper and wre trying to escape it until it decided to try and kill someone else. Even then they would come back.

I dunno they can explain if they want but  that seems like no explanation is even needed since those characters would never abandon the man/ woman who would neve abandon them.
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worst part about it....they are probably sitting there going....hmmm if we just patch in shep telling sombody to gather the crew and retreat....

[Jere85]

Did our friend Colin make a statement yet?

[Aramintai]

chujwamdotego wrote...

One of facebook users, engaged in chat with forbes said:
Brian David K. Lake ‎@Andrew Hojnacki: You may not care my thoughts, but we've already seen leaks of the DLC, we'll get an Omega DLC, an Epilogue / Closure DLC (which is in no way what the Retake movement has been fighting for and will make them outraged), and multiplayer map packs plus additional character DLC, one that fits in the Life Support bay.

This has better not be true and they'd better deliver. 
As Minsc would say: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, watch it! I'm huge." <_< 

[Phoenix NL]

mulder1199 wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

I dunno they can explain if they want but  that seems like no explanation is even needed since those characters would never abandon the man/ woman who would neve abandon them.

worst part about it....they are probably sitting there going....hmmm if we just patch in shep telling sombody to gather the crew and retreat....

If they do that then there are no cupcakes from me. Do you hear me Bioware? And I make damn good cupcakes.

[Ameno Xiel]

I have a baaad feeling about this.

If my prediction is right, Bioware will not produce any new DLC at all, that isn't already in the plan.

Sure, after Dr. Muzykas statement, many will believe otherwise, but I say the will just add some dialogue lines and maybe some extra seconds of ingame movie contend to those existing/in production DLC's but nothing more.

Little to no work and - at least in their eyes - enough "closure" to silence the masses.

I hope I'm wrong. 

[J.Random]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...
I "understand" the ending, I don't think it fits anywhere within the Mass Effect universe.  The plot holes are huge and just do not fit the atmosphere of the universe.

I guess you're talking about ending as a separate thing. Because there's nothing to understand there when you look at it like this. But if we're talking about the ending as a part of a whole story - then no, I clearly don't understand the ending. Because of that same reason you mention here.


PS Completely off-topic. Crap, my english IS rusty. I had to look into vocabulary three times while writing this. And I can watch movies in english and read a lot of tech manuals. Just like a dog: understand everything but can say nothing.

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Ameno Xiel wrote...

I have a baaad feeling about this.

If my prediction is right, Bioware will not produce any new DLC at all, that isn't already in the plan.

Sure, after Dr. Muzykas statement, many will believe otherwise, but I say the will just add some dialogue lines and maybe some extra seconds of ingame movie contend to those existing/in production DLC's but nothing more.

Little to no work and - at least in their eyes - enough "closure" to silence the masses.

I hope I'm wrong. 

I'm afraid of that, too. We all need to let Bioware know that's not acceptable. Tell them in the feedback thread, on Twitter, by e-mail, and by letter. And do it now, when they're still figuring out how to proceed.

[Dauw]

Joe vas Normandy wrote...

I think that if they wanted to keep their so called "artistic integrity" intact they should keep their current ending like it is ,but add the extra "choice" of having more fulfilling "happier" endings via DLC.

I think the "artistic integrity" argument sounds like too much of a cop out. If you make a rushed figure drawing with obvious anatomy mistakes and present it as a finished artwork and people call you out on it, the right answer is not "it's not a mistake it's my style and how dare you crticize my art".

I wonder if they have the same feeling about the atrocious Deception novel, is that also artistic integrity at work?

[MeldarthX]

I'm watching the Q/A - and its going actually really well - haven't seen any really stupid questions or not; its just ended they brought some very interesting things to light. Will ending up twittering my question to them as it got lost.

[chujwamdotego]

Ameno Xiel wrote...

I have a baaad feeling about this.

If my prediction is right, Bioware will not produce any new DLC at all, that isn't already in the plan.

Sure, after Dr. Muzykas statement, many will believe otherwise, but I say the will just add some dialogue lines and maybe some extra seconds of ingame movie contend to those existing/in production DLC's but nothing more.

Little to no work and - at least in their eyes - enough "closure" to silence the masses.

I hope I'm wrong. 

Think corporate - that would be bad for business.

Dr. Muzyka said that they are working on DLC and new games in ME universe.

If they don't deliver at all it will kill them. That would be worst business decision I've heard of.

If Bioware wants to stay in market they MUST come up with something good.

Modifié par chujwamdotego, 23 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[mulder1199]

Phoenix NL wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

I dunno they can explain if they want but  that seems like no explanation is even needed since those characters would never abandon the man/ woman who would neve abandon them.

worst part about it....they are probably sitting there going....hmmm if we just patch in shep telling sombody to gather the crew and retreat....

If they do that then there are no cupcakes from me. Do you hear me Bioware? And I make damn good cupcakes.

yeah, i won't even pay for that..... and it won't change my feelings about buying bioware product......

dlc, with another ending and i'm happy (even if i pay for it), just explain away the issues and they've missed the point entirely...

[Matt_gekko88]

MeldarthX wrote...

I'm watching the Q/A - and its going actually really well - haven't seen any really stupid questions or not; its just ended they brought some very interesting things to light. Will ending up twittering my question to them as it got lost.

Q/A? What's going on?

[MeldarthX]

Phoenix NL wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

I dunno they can explain if they want but  that seems like no explanation is even needed since those characters would never abandon the man/ woman who would neve abandon them.

worst part about it....they are probably sitting there going....hmmm if we just patch in shep telling sombody to gather the crew and retreat....

If they do that then there are no cupcakes from me. Do you hear me Bioware? And I make damn good cupcakes.

I want cupcakes????    pweasssssssseeeeeeee..........

[Prince Lex]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

I'm watching the Q/A - and its going actually really well - haven't seen any really stupid questions or not; its just ended they brought some very interesting things to light. Will ending up twittering my question to them as it got lost.

Q/A? What's going on?

Yes, this.

What Q & A? Was there something scheduled? If so, did you copy/ paste all of it for us to read? If not, why not?