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[sumo390]

So IGN pulled a 180 or something? Interesting...

[B.Shep]

Just finish my classes today. Any news?

[Spartas Husky]

KiganMatsuei wrote...

Mass Effect 3.5 - The story we promised and the endings you deserved!
Retail Price: $49.99

Lol honestly, at least we can hope they don't attempt another game. The Reaper invasion has arrived. Short of Shepard surviving and fixing the aftermath all by himself, they've got nothing.

This is exactly why I yelled so many times, ME was too big to be a trilogy.

they poop is out of the toilet already, they got fix it now somehow.

[LadyMarisa]

Ah so it was an outside reaction by Penny Arcade and their interpretation of how the Charity reacted.

Honestly, while i can't speak for every member of the movement, Child's Play was never intended to be hijacked for our cause. We were just trying to do something nice and we advertised that, not to pull in leverage, but to show people that regardless of whether or not you agree with us, here is something positive that can be done.

When the original information about the Charity stopping donations was posted, I could totally see where people would get that impression but it was not the case. Obviously, I miss tens of pages at a time so I don't read everything but I truly do not recall ever seeing one of us tout the Charity as a reason to support "us". I always saw it as hey, while you're here supporting the cause, go do something nice for gamers.

We didn't stop donations because we "won" we stopped because the Charity asked us to, because we realized how misconceptions were cropping up. I don't begrudge the charity that but I wish people would stop trying to paint the movement like that. If someone had come along during the first $100 donated and pointed out how it was being skewed, we'd have separated the two earlier. I don't know who started the donation drive, I came into this a bit late. I have a hard time believing though that they did it solely to help the cause "win".

I can't dispute people asking for paypal donations back as I have no idea how to verify that information but I take it with a grain of salt. The only thing i can say is no one that I've noticed posting in this thread was confused about the charity donations. I know some people were hoping BW would change its mind because they were sending their money somewhere else but I never saw it being sold this way. I did some posts early on asking for clarifications about the charity *before* they donated but people always answered them and made it clear.

When we first stopped the ChipIn stuff at CP's request, I sent them a message myself apologizing for the misconceptions and stating my own opinion that we just wanted to do something good and show that we weren't all blowing smoke, that we didn't intend to hijack them.

Meh. People really just can't seem to get behind the fact that we have honorable intentions. All the more reason to Hold the Line.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

B.Shep wrote...

Just finish my classes today. Any news?

Ign jumped ship with a second opinion


http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1221492p1.html

[Ticonderoga117]

Here's something worth a read from Shamus Young from The Escapist.

[RussianOrc]

Alamandorious wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

Anastassia wrote...
Source: http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect
I've bolded relevant parts.

Haven't passed through their minds that we've stoped donating because we don't have anymore money??
I mean i've already donated more then i should, so, as much as i appreciate the cause i can't donated any more than that.
This article is offensive to us.

That's not the issue; the issue is that people are asking for money -back-.

Hmm....this is sick.

[LadyMarisa]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Here's something worth a read from Shamus Young from The Escapist.

I liked that article, thanks. =)

[MeldarthX]

TamiBx wrote...

J.Random wrote...

Anyone can still go to charity webpage and donate right there, without some counter to brag about. I think that idea with charity was good, just that chipin counter was unnecessary - it bugged me since the day it was started.

And about IGN. They are trying to seat on two chairs at once, that's all I can think about their "gamers are entitled whiners.. oh, wait, we dropped the ball... erm, but we don't like crappy endings too" line of articles.

But it did get everyone's attention and made it look like we were more than just "annoying spoiled kids asking for a rainbow and unicorn ending" 

LOL ok I'm warped and twisted but when I think of unicorns.......this comes to mine




HOLD THE LINE

[NeverQuiteAwake]

I always saw the Child's Play donations as sublimation: channeling negative emotions into a productive activity.

[DJBare]

 uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/1221492p1.html

Those reasonable quibbles aside, I still had an utterly fantastic and very meaningful time with Mass Effect 3 and I consider it a great conclusion to the trilogy. But, for what's its worth, I haven't felt compelled to start a second play-through the way I immediately did with Mass Effect 2. 

Really Colin?, I wonder why.

Modifié par DJBare, 23 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[WvStolzing]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Here's something worth a read from Shamus Young from The Escapist.

I think he misses the point of this whole thing, when he says:

"If they change it to please us, then it's not their story anymore, it's ours. We can easily find ourselves in a situation where we're playing through our own fanfiction."

That would have been true, if we had been pushing for specific endings that we'd like to see.
No one's trying to convince BW to implement their own vision of the ending.

We just want BW to hold their promise, and actually sit down and write (yeah, they'll do the writing, not us?!) the multiple endings that follow logically from the preceding events.

[Geinen]

DJBare wrote...

 

Those reasonable quibbles aside, I still had an utterly fantastic and very meaningful time with Mass Effect 3 and I consider it a great conclusion to the trilogy. But, for what's its worth, I haven't felt compelled to start a second play-through the way I immediately did with Mass Effect 2. 

Really Colin?, I wonder why.

LOL I picked up on that one too.  Clearly he's trying to be delicate with the backpeddling.

[DarkShadow]

I'm trying to get a thread to the front page which shows all our ideas and demands in a single, orderly post. Additionally, there's a google document for all of you to edit (I trust you don't screw around).

http://social.biowar.../index/10528782

[KLGChaos]

sumo390 wrote...

So IGN pulled a 180 or something? Interesting...

Don't really think it was a 180... only one of the second opinions openly denounced the endings. The others either praised the game or picked on other gameplay issues-- like the journal not updating, the fetch side quests ripped straight from DA2, etc.

Not exactly sure what was said in the podcast.

Back on the line, providing support.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 23 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[Ticonderoga117]

WvStolzing wrote...
*snip*

True, but I think the rest of the article addresses the issue rather well. Especially compared to some others out there, not to name names. <_<

[Geinen]

WvStolzing wrote...

That would have been true, if we had been pushing for specific endings that we'd like to see.
No one's trying to convince BW to implement their own vision of the ending.

We just want BW to hold their promise, and actually sit down and write (yeah, they'll do the writing, not us?!) the multiple endings that follow logically from the preceding events.

And to be fair, the developers themselves said the fans were the co-authors of the game.  LOL Its rather funny they *now* get all irritated when we feel attached to the story.

[Ishiken]

Ameno Xiel wrote...

Thank you for this complex answer - but I already know about this. Just can't put it in words like you (meh...should have slept less in english class back then^^')

But the bottom line is the same. They will do something about it, but it will bring no real improvement, since like many others already said - the endings suck, regardeless how they try to explain them.

What we need are alternative endings...they know that right?...right? 

Bioware understands fundamentally that the disgruntled fans want and wish for alternate endings. However it will be very difficult to accomplish. Mass Effect 3 does not exist in a way that would allow Bioware to just do a DLC that would further the plot (aka post indoctrination). Every cutscene is voiced, so to produce any further content would require Bioware to rehire and reschedule all of the voice actors and then piece them together. This usually takes time, which Bioware does not possess in abundance. The longer that Bioware waits to release the ending DLC, the less interested the consumer eventually becomes. If the ending DLC is released 3 months from now, approximately half of the movement would either have lost interest in anything that Bioware has done or moved on to another game. The best course of action for them now is to produce a DLC that explains the endings in a way similar to Dragon Age: Origin and hope to quell down enough of the movement that it loses steam and eventually go away. It is the tried and true PR strategy to produce just enough content so that a large majority of the discontent consumer base is either placated by the content or just simply glad that Bioware just did something.

[chrrue_]

Someone who demands to get his money back from charity has absolutly no clue what charity is at all. It's just sad how the media jump these actions (like FTC before) and paint a black and white picture. There is nothing you can do about it

[bti79]

I would intially have guessed that Bioware had ressources scheduled for DLC making. Might need to adjust things a little, but it doesn't seem like a closed down project.

[TamiBx]

bti79 wrote...

I would intially have guessed that Bioware had ressources scheduled for DLC making. Might need to adjust things a little, but it doesn't seem like a closed down project.

I mean, the game itself said there was going to be DLCs, remember? The datapad after the awesome Granpa and little kid scene...<_<

[DJBare]

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Modifié par DJBare, 23 mars 2012 - 11:12 .

[WvStolzing]

bti79 wrote...

I would intially have guessed that Bioware had ressources scheduled for DLC making. Might need to adjust things a little, but it doesn't seem like a closed down project.

Absolutely.

It's not like they have to rewrite the ending to KotOR!
The workshop that produced ME3 must still be intact....

[J.Random]

Alamandorious wrote...
it gave people a morale boost

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...
the drive served its two purposes to 1 raise money for children, and 2 Give publicity to the retake movement.

TamiBx wrote...
But it did get everyone's attention and made it look like we were more than just "annoying spoiled kids asking for a rainbow and unicorn ending"

Calm down guys and/or gals, I didn't mean it was completely bad. I know that charity idea was good. And I understand the real meaning of the counter. And still I had a feeling that something is wrong with it, some tingling behind my ears. It looked like keeping daily count of our good deeds in pocketbook and showing it to anyone on every occasion, do you read me? And as it seems, this counter gave some strange people some strange ideas about the whole charity thing. We russians have a saying for such occasions: "No family without a freak", so yeah, there's always someone whith something wrong in the head. Maybe media have gotten a right to call us annoying spoiled kids after that, I don't know. The whole thing with people demanding their money back from charity creeps me out.

Modifié par J.Random, 23 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[nitefyre410]

chrrue_ wrote...

Someone who demands to get his money back from charity has absolutly no clue what charity is at all. It's just sad how the media jump these actions (like FTC before) and paint a black and white picture. There is nothing you can do about it

  

Its best to brush the dirty off you shoulder and keep on moving and stay focused on the goal.   

As far as what  Bioware can't do with Ending DLC... OH they can make fully voiced... The did From the Ashes  "After" the game was finished. So whats the problem with doing and ending DLC with voice acting and such releasing  durning the holidays.   

So now... unless there is a serious conflict in schedules , they can  do a fully voice with cutscene DLC. Its not like the cutscenes are full CG there mostly all done with ingame engine.