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[RussianOrc]

So, Bioware is now saying our money is tainted because we've donated expecting something else in return???
i'm done with them.....

[Hydralysk]

Ishiken wrote...

Ameno Xiel wrote...

Thank you for this complex answer - but I already know about this. Just can't put it in words like you (meh...should have slept less in english class back then^^')

But the bottom line is the same. They will do something about it, but it will bring no real improvement, since like many others already said - the endings suck, regardeless how they try to explain them.

What we need are alternative endings...they know that right?...right? 

Bioware understands fundamentally that the disgruntled fans want and wish for alternate endings. However it will be very difficult to accomplish. Mass Effect 3 does not exist in a way that would allow Bioware to just do a DLC that would further the plot (aka post indoctrination). Every cutscene is voiced, so to produce any further content would require Bioware to rehire and reschedule all of the voice actors and then piece them together. This usually takes time, which Bioware does not possess in abundance. The longer that Bioware waits to release the ending DLC, the less interested the consumer eventually becomes. If the ending DLC is released 3 months from now, approximately half of the movement would either have lost interest in anything that Bioware has done or moved on to another game. The best course of action for them now is to produce a DLC that explains the endings in a way similar to Dragon Age: Origin and hope to quell down enough of the movement that it loses steam and eventually go away. It is the tried and true PR strategy to produce just enough content so that a large majority of the discontent consumer base is either placated by the content or just simply glad that Bioware just did something.

I'd disagree with that, if they added in an epilogue like in DA:O that still leaves all the ending plot holes in place, and I think not acknowledging these plot holes at all will do more harm.

If they make a proper ending, indoc or not, as long as they tell us it's coming 3 months down the line the people who are emotionally invested in the series (aka the majority of RME3) will wait. After all the majority of people who bought the ME2 DLC are those same invested fans.

If however Bioware doesn't take it's time and just slaps us with an epilogue, it might placate a few, but the majority of people who are in this movement will still take it as another slap in the face and that'll be the last straw.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 23 mars 2012 - 11:19 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

How is the line holding guys?... are we all optimistic!?

Well there seems to have been a change in the tides in the media for now, with even ign taking another look at the game, http://uk.xbox360.ig...1221492p1.html  but lets make sure we don't turn our backs to them....

[Geinen]

RussianOrc wrote...

So, Bioware is now saying our money is tainted because we've donated expecting something else in return???
i'm done with them.....

...What??  Where did you get that from?  I sincerely doubt they think that.

[CheekyWeazel]

Dont know if it was already posted. Interesting Read from http://www.gamesrada...-writers-think/.

Asked were Writers and Designers throughout the Gaming Industry about changing a game’s narrative based on player feedback after release. Or do games (especially games that promote player agency)
present a unique opportunity for “story collaboration” between users and
producers that designers should take advantage of? Based on the Mass Effect 3 Discussions.
http://www.pcgamer.c...-writers-think/

Modifié par CheekyWeazel, 23 mars 2012 - 11:22 .

[Annaleah]

Let's all remember to stay calm, people. They haven't denied us anything yet and though the charity was stopped the facebook group is looking to start another one up. Don't take anything the Mass Effect twitter bot says to heart or out of proportion and above all... Hold the Line!

[DJBare]

RussianOrc wrote...

So, Bioware is now saying our money is tainted because we've donated expecting something else in return???
i'm done with them.....

Bioware has said no such thing, some forum members have, lets not start confusion with statements like this.

[RussianOrc]

Geinen wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

So, Bioware is now saying our money is tainted because we've donated expecting something else in return???
i'm done with them.....

...What??  Where did you get that from?  I sincerely doubt they think that.

http://social.biowar...dex/9845819/276
Read stanley woo's post.

[Hydralysk]

RussianOrc wrote...

So, Bioware is now saying our money is tainted because we've donated expecting something else in return???
i'm done with them.....

There was a Forbes article saying today that it wasn't Bioware or EA, and the press release seems to back that up. I think it's jsut that the charity doesn't want to take any heat by being connected to a contreversial issue they have no stake in.

[babachewie]

Geinen wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

So, Bioware is now saying our money is tainted because we've donated expecting something else in return???
i'm done with them.....

...What??  Where did you get that from?  I sincerely doubt they think that.

well i dont remember them saying that, but if they did they are correct

[Hydralysk]

RussianOrc wrote...

Geinen wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

So, Bioware is now saying our money is tainted because we've donated expecting something else in return???
i'm done with them.....

...What??  Where did you get that from?  I sincerely doubt they think that.

http://social.biowar...dex/9845819/276
Read stanley woo's post.

I'm still not seeing the problem with it....

EDIT: Part of the reason behind the charity drive WAS to raise awareness, I'll not deny that, if Child's Play thinks that awareness is resulting in unwanted backlash from it I won't hold it against them.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 23 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[Xavier Hawk]

For those who go on about how rewriting the endings would be a major task and may not be possible due to being unable to gather all the voice actors and developers I'd like to point something out. They where planning to make DLC already the resources are already in place, the voice actors are already on standby it's simply now instead of a retake Omega or whatever else they come up with it would be a replace the endings. It's identical resources different aim.

As for the longer they wait the less interested we become, well that is true but come the next game all of us will remember what happened this time. They go that route and there's a cost DLC will not be as popular and Dragonage 3 will most certainly take a hit on pre-orders and most likely post-release sales. Rest assured a lot of the current delay is EA working out what is most cost effective long term for them, when there done they'll reveal what if anthing we get for an addition to the ending.

All in all though it's a sorry state of affairs considering I would personally rate ME3 as one of the best games I have ever played (and that's from 20+ years of gaming) right up until those last few minutes where it just takes a nose dive. But hey I have new hopes the enhanced version of Baldur's gate has been announced, a new wing commander based game has been released and rumor mill says I may yet see another soul reaver game, so hope lives.

[Annaleah]

Hydralysk wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

Geinen wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

So, Bioware is now saying our money is tainted because we've donated expecting something else in return???
i'm done with them.....

...What??  Where did you get that from?  I sincerely doubt they think that.

http://social.biowar...dex/9845819/276
Read stanley woo's post.

I'm still not seeing the problem with it....

Same here... He was just concerned that the charity drive was getting off-message.

[BuddhaGeek]

 Found this on the Escapist a little while back. Sorry if it's a repeat post.

http://www.escapistm...g-Controversy.2 

http://www.shamusyou...5395#more-15395 

Modifié par BuddhaGeek, 23 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[Geinen]

[quote]RussianOrc wrote...

http://social.biowar...dex/9845819/276
Read stanley woo's post.[/quote]
[/quote]
Actually...he's right. Woo is right.  Despite our intentions, the media and members of the public have bent and twisted this charity thing into something it was not.

Like it or not, we WERE having a negative impact on the charity.  What happens if people who do not agree with us decide they will never donate to Childs Play because they think it is associated with us?

Thats why.  We had the best of intentions.  But this is one of those things.  It happens.  Stanley was right there. 

Modifié par Geinen, 23 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[sagevallant]

Geinen wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

That would have been true, if we had been pushing for specific endings that we'd like to see.
No one's trying to convince BW to implement their own vision of the ending.

We just want BW to hold their promise, and actually sit down and write (yeah, they'll do the writing, not us?!) the multiple endings that follow logically from the preceding events.

And to be fair, the developers themselves said the fans were the co-authors of the game.  LOL Its rather funny they *now* get all irritated when we feel attached to the story.

They don't object to us feeling attached to the story. They object to us DISAGREEING WITH THEM. God forbid, right? We're supposed to just hand them our paychecks and love whatever gets passed down the pipeline.

Joking aside, they're justified in being a little contentious over this issue. It is their story.  And it's true that they don't have to make new endings just because a portion of the fanbase demands it. But that portion of the fanbase doesn't have to mindlessly buy whatever game they produce next, either, so it's in the best interest of the company to try and make peace with us.

And to never cut content from the disc to serve as DLC again. Because someone out there will call them on it.

[DJBare]

RussianOrc wrote...
http://social.biowar...dex/9845819/276
Read stanley woo's post.

I read that post, nothing in it suggest "Bioware" called the charity money tainted.

[J.Random]

RussianOrc wrote...
http://social.biowar...dex/9845819/276
Read stanley woo's post.

Well if someone really made a connection in his mind between giving money to charity and Bioware doing something because of that, then yeah, Mr. Woo is pretty much right. And yeah, money of that people ARE tainted, they may shove it up their rear holes.

[KaiserinKai]

chrrue_ wrote...

Someone who demands to get his money back from charity has absolutly no clue what charity is at all. It's just sad how the media jump these actions (like FTC before) and paint a black and white picture. There is nothing you can do about it

Agreed. I was upset when I heard about the charity drive, but I wasn't angry at Child's Play.

Rather, I was upset a the thought of someone threatening a charity. Pressuring them to turn down money. Because that's just low...

[RussianOrc]

Hydralysk wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

Geinen wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

So, Bioware is now saying our money is tainted because we've donated expecting something else in return???
i'm done with them.....

...What??  Where did you get that from?  I sincerely doubt they think that.

http://social.biowar...dex/9845819/276
Read stanley woo's post.

I'm still not seeing the problem with it....

I can't speak for everyone, but, i've donated without expecting that we could get something from this, and i knew the amout of money i've donated wouldn't really make a difference for the cause.
Now after donating more than i should, i hear them saying something like that?!
It hurts.......really.

[WvStolzing]

babachewie wrote...
well i dont remember them saying that, but if they did they are correct

Let's not turn this into a controversy.

The statement from PA i) is perfectly justified, and ii) respectfully worded.

It's not a good idea, to put a charity in the role of the 'means' to an 'end' entirely alien to it.
The 'end', to be sure, WAS NOT to pressure BW into doing anything.
But, it was i) to make our voices heard, and ii) to 'prove' to the world that we aren't whining children.
Whether we like it or not, this is relegating something that ought to be an 'end in itself', to the role of a 'means to something else', in our case, 'being heard/being taken seriously'.

Our intentions were good. But the whole enterprise was, well, somewhat 'iffy'.

Let's just move on, and I dare say that we fully deserve to be proud of the $80000 we did help raise in a week!