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[Computim]

Alamandorious wrote...

Arathon wrote...

Someone else recognized it? Some trolls are
rolling in here. We have to hold the line against
them too.

Stop using the term 'troll', it's against forum rules.

Edit:  Noticed this sounded kinda angry; wasn't meant to be such

You're supposed to throw a table over when you do that and then be like "...I'm not upset.. really!" haha. 

[DJBare]

Arathon wrote...

Someone else recognized it? Some trolls are
rolling in here. We have to hold the line against
them too.

I need a break, back soon.

[gorgoth]

Computim wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 But this is my favorite one of all the funny ME3 motivational

http://i1055.photobu...c0b31d7ed78.jpg

Now that I remember, everyone who came out of the Normandy in my ending were...male. Guess the human spicies will end there. Oops 

..Could be like jurassic park.. maybe synthetic DNA is like frog DNA?

Ewww can only imagine the porn that develops from that.

[MeldarthX]

Ishiken wrote...

Ameno Xiel wrote...

Thank you for this complex answer - but I already know about this. Just can't put it in words like you (meh...should have slept less in english class back then^^')

But the bottom line is the same. They will do something about it, but it will bring no real improvement, since like many others already said - the endings suck, regardeless how they try to explain them.

What we need are alternative endings...they know that right?...right? 

Bioware understands fundamentally that the disgruntled fans want and wish for alternate endings. However it will be very difficult to accomplish. Mass Effect 3 does not exist in a way that would allow Bioware to just do a DLC that would further the plot (aka post indoctrination). Every cutscene is voiced, so to produce any further content would require Bioware to rehire and reschedule all of the voice actors and then piece them together. This usually takes time, which Bioware does not possess in abundance. The longer that Bioware waits to release the ending DLC, the less interested the consumer eventually becomes. If the ending DLC is released 3 months from now, approximately half of the movement would either have lost interest in anything that Bioware has done or moved on to another game. The best course of action for them now is to produce a DLC that explains the endings in a way similar to Dragon Age: Origin and hope to quell down enough of the movement that it loses steam and eventually go away. It is the tried and true PR strategy to produce just enough content so that a large majority of the discontent consumer base is either placated by the content or just simply glad that Bioware just did something.

You didn't see the forbes story.......

Guy that voiced shepard has already confirmed he's doing more voice time for DLC......what it is; or what they will do for adds to the end he doesn't know/can't say.....

Comes down to economics plain and simple.  Which will cost them more; redo the ending; or not redoing the ending and letting fans go.

As I put in the old PR sub - talked with my dad who was a CFO - Ex VP - aka number two in a fortune 500 company - if you get the CEO to speak after two weeks on the subject.......
1 you have impacted them economically -
two they are taking it very serious and there is a lot of sleepless nights.
three they have the numbers - they now how they are being affected - right now - their parent company EA is telling them to fix it - that's why the doctor was tapped to say something.

Now - if we actually want a fix - we have to keep the pressure on  or we will get nothing......


HOLD THE LINE

[Debi-Tage]

nitefyre410 wrote...
True  Bittersweet ending in the trueest sense of the word,  yeah maybe some people at Bioware should have looked at some Bittersweet endings and how they are done before trying to pull on off...  I.E   Final Fantasy X is great example of one.

Yes, I agree it was a fitting ending for FFX. I think I may have cried, I don't remember.

*facepalm* I'm sorry, I am just having such a hard time accepting that the same people who wrote ME2 and ME3 wrote that ending...and thought it was, of all things, good! It just baffles my mind!

[Dj14365]

Bit of a crazy day today, I haven't been on since last night anything big go down today?

[TheSimbul]

Dauw wrote...

Hey, my Shep is chilling on Rannoch right now with Tali, Garrus and drinks all around.There may even be a pool and a bbq.
The human imagination is a powerful tool.

Yeah...my FemShep and Garrus are gonna have a long, exciting, kick ass life together, cruising the galaxy aboard the Normandy with a rotating crew made up by all it's members during the three games.

I'm not certain but I might even save Thane in my head....loved him as a character so yeah...EDI and Joker are so gonna be together as well...Wrex, Grunt, Samara, Tali, Liara, Jack, Jacob, James, Doc. Chakwas, Javik, Ashley...dammit, even Legion AND Mordin (they've managed to transplant their consciousness into a datapad you can chat with, a la Harry Potter paintings lol)

It's fuzzy but basically I picture adventures, drinking, dancing, galactic travel and just generalized badassery all around

You have a problem with that Bioware? Well tough luck. My brain, my rules (read ending)! ;D

Edit: added context 

Modifié par TheSimbul, 24 mars 2012 - 01:06 .

[infinitekilan]

cyrrant wrote...

Iucounou wrote...

Regardless of whether this is just a bad ending, or a marketing gimmick gone wrong, let's take a moment to recap what ME3 has accomplished during its short release period.

1. It's made headline gaming news.
2. It's angered "some" of the fanbase.
3. It's split the fanbase into opposing camps and put us at odds with each other.
4. It's made many of us question the integrity of certain journalists.

I'm sure there are others that could be added, but that is just off the top of my head. Do any of those things seem like a good result to any of you? Because they don't to me. Can anyone think of any actual good things that have come of this release?

$80,000 for the children.

NOBODY QUOTE THIS POST!  The troll will hear!

Also it made me a more concientious consumer.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

I for one will not be preordering any video game ever again. I will wait until any future game has been out for at least a week, and read PLAYER, NOT GAMING MEDIA reviews before I purchase. That is, assuming Bioware adds/alters/amends the ending. I can honestly say that I was so crushed by the endings that I still don't want to play ANY game, regardless of its developer team or publisher. And I only played it once, with 2 or 3 attempts at replaying it, only lasting an hour at most each time.

This whole debacle, as Iucounou put it, has caused me to question the integrity of certain journalists, MOST certainly journalists employed by gaming media companies/businesses. Not because their opinions differ from mine, but because of how they presented themselves.

It is my firm opinion that if the video game industry ever wants to be viewed as socially acceptable and get over this "childish, entitled whiner" stigma we all bear, events like this need to be met with RESPECTABLE attitudes, not flame-wars, lies, bashing, or the afore-mentioned "childish, entitled whiner" attitude, that quite honestly I have seen more of come from the "professional" journalists rather than the players themselves. That in and of itself is remarkable.

I'd like to not get started on "artistic integrity," but it's already too late for that. Suffice it to say that art is meant to be pleasing, if not to the masses, then to a certain audience. As video games are marketed to a MASSIVE demographic, the "art" should be directed more toward the masses, rather than the artists "vision." Also, the art should make sense, regardless of where it's directed. I fail to see how any of ME3's ending made sense to anyone without WIIIIIIIIILD guessing and assumption.

Like it or not, no matter how much you go on about games being art, it's still a business and the main goal for the companies is profit. Should anything like this ever happen again, we as consumers have EVERY RIGHT to voice our disapproval toward an unsatisfying product. And the business on the receiving end of that dissatisfaction has EVERY RIGHT to take whatever action they choose toward said dissatisfaction. Just remember that if the outcry is loud enough, denying the customers of their desires could potentially turn them away for good.

Anyway.... yeah, that's my view on the whole thing. So I guess the answer to your question would be yes, some good did come of this. We are all much more aware of the true nature of gaming media/gaming itself, and I can say we will be much more guarded in how we approach our future purchases.

It's a shame, though, that things had to go this far before an opportunity to change presented itself.

Modifié par infinitekilan, 24 mars 2012 - 01:04 .

[NeverQuiteAwake]

Debi-Tage wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
True  Bittersweet ending in the trueest sense of the word,  yeah maybe some people at Bioware should have looked at some Bittersweet endings and how they are done before trying to pull on off...  I.E   Final Fantasy X is great example of one.

Yes, I agree it was a fitting ending for FFX. I think I may have cried, I don't remember.

Indeed it was fitting. At least halfway through, isn't Tidus told what will happen to him if they succeed? But he does it anyway so that Yuna won't have to sacrifice herself? I think that's what made it so fitting.

I will readily admit to crying at the end.

[Shaun72]

DJBare wrote...

Arathon wrote...

Someone else recognized it? Some trolls are
rolling in here. We have to hold the line against
them too

.

I need a break, back soon.

It's kind of annoying when people continue to break forum rules even after you reminded them not to for the good of the threads' existence, huh?

[Dauw]

Debi-Tage wrote...
*facepalm* I'm sorry, I am just having such a hard time accepting that the same people who wrote ME2 and ME3 wrote that ending...and thought it was, of all things, good! It just baffles my mind!

This bugs me too! It's like they hired some outsider to write the ending. If I didn't know better I would never believe it was the same team.

[Computim]

MeldarthX wrote...

You didn't see the forbes story.......

Guy that voiced shepard has already confirmed he's doing more voice time for DLC......what it is; or what they will do for adds to the end he doesn't know/can't say.....

Comes down to economics plain and simple.  Which will cost them more; redo the ending; or not redoing the ending and letting fans go.

As I put in the old PR sub - talked with my dad who was a CFO - Ex VP - aka number two in a fortune 500 company - if you get the CEO to speak after two weeks on the subject.......
1 you have impacted them economically -
two they are taking it very serious and there is a lot of sleepless nights.
three they have the numbers - they now how they are being affected - right now - their parent company EA is telling them to fix it - that's why the doctor was tapped to say something.

Now - if we actually want a fix - we have to keep the pressure on  or we will get nothing......


HOLD THE LINE

Indeed.  Don't be drawn in by the people who want us to just be angry at Bioware because they're bitter with life.  We're upset with the story ending, but we're also all reasonable and know that Bioware's going to try to fix it now and we need to be polite and respectful and at least give them the opportunity to. 

[Debi-Tage]

I'm sorry if this has been posted , but have you all seen this? My friend just sent it to me, he was laughing and said he was glad he hadn't bought ME3 yet....he's mocking me at this point.

[Geinen]

TheSimbul wrote...

.dammit, even Legion AND Mordin (they've managed to transplant their consciousness into a datapad you can chat with, a la Harry Potter paintings lol)
;D

Have you ever considered the implications of that?

Your shep and LI will be getting it on in their cabin, and you'll have poor Legion and Mordin in their datapads on the desk.  They'd be horrified and unable to look away. 

[cyrrant]

MeldarthX wrote...

As I put in the old PR sub - talked with my dad who was a CFO - Ex VP - aka number two in a fortune 500 company - if you get the CEO to speak after two weeks on the subject.......
1 you have impacted them economically -
two they are taking it very serious and there is a lot of sleepless nights.
three they have the numbers - they now how they are being affected - right now - their parent company EA is telling them to fix it - that's why the doctor was tapped to say something.

Now - if we actually want a fix - we have to keep the pressure on  or we will get nothing......


HOLD THE LINE

I remember that post.  Good times, man.

[Debi-Tage]

Little Miss Angel wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
True  Bittersweet ending in the trueest sense of the word,  yeah maybe some people at Bioware should have looked at some Bittersweet endings and how they are done before trying to pull on off...  I.E   Final Fantasy X is great example of one.

Yes, I agree it was a fitting ending for FFX. I think I may have cried, I don't remember.

Indeed it was fitting. At least halfway through, isn't Tidus told what will happen to him if they succeed? But he does it anyway so that Yuna won't have to sacrifice herself? I think that's what made it so fitting.

I will readily admit to crying at the end.

Yesss.... It's so sweet!!

[cyrrant]

Geinen wrote...

TheSimbul wrote...

.dammit, even Legion AND Mordin (they've managed to transplant their consciousness into a datapad you can chat with, a la Harry Potter paintings lol)
;D

Have you ever considered the implications of that?

Your shep and LI will be getting it on in their cabin, and you'll have poor Legion and Mordin in their datapads on the desk.  They'd be horrified and unable to look away. 

Or they'd be enjoying the view.  Especially some of that FemShep X Liara stuff.

[Reptilian Rob]

Slightly drunk and sad.

Why did Mass Effect have to end like this?

[Computim]

Geinen wrote...

You'll have poor Legion and Mordin in their datapads on the desk.  They'd be horrified and unable to look away. 

I'm totally getting datapad stands now.. they'll be like portraits... I'll be able to say it's because I missed them, so I wanted to remember them and have their holophotos... but in actuality I'm still upset they didn't go left when they should have gone right on Ilum. 

Modifié par Computim, 24 mars 2012 - 01:05 .

[XJ347]

MeldarthX wrote...

Now - if we actually want a fix - we have to keep the pressure on  or we will get nothing......

Agreed. We need to stay focused and unite and not fragmenting over how we want the ending to our specific taste.

[infinitekilan]

Debi-Tage wrote...

Little Miss Angel wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
True  Bittersweet ending in the trueest sense of the word,  yeah maybe some people at Bioware should have looked at some Bittersweet endings and how they are done before trying to pull on off...  I.E   Final Fantasy X is great example of one.

Yes, I agree it was a fitting ending for FFX. I think I may have cried, I don't remember.

Indeed it was fitting. At least halfway through, isn't Tidus told what will happen to him if they succeed? But he does it anyway so that Yuna won't have to sacrifice herself? I think that's what made it so fitting.

I will readily admit to crying at the end.

Yesss.... It's so sweet!!

This. I am a 27 year old man and I still cry at that ending every time I see it. And honestly, I think that was an almost perfect ending for that game.

I cried again at the ending of FFX-2(the CGI one, not the lame game-animated one with Yuna and Tidus at the Ruins of Zanarkand).

[KaiserinKai]

Iucounou wrote...

Regardless of whether this is just a bad ending, or a marketing gimmick gone wrong, let's take a moment to recap what ME3 has accomplished during its short release period.

1. It's made headline gaming news.
2. It's angered "some" of the fanbase.
3. It's split the fanbase into opposing camps and put us at odds with each other.
4. It's made many of us question the integrity of certain journalists.

I'm sure there are others that could be added, but that is just off the top of my head. Do any of those things seem like a good result to any of you? Because they don't to me. Can anyone think of any actual good things that have come of this release?

I've seen some really good ME3 fanfiction?
Garrus fans are really happy with his romance?
80k for charity?
and.... ok, I don't have anything else

Modifié par KaiserinKai, 24 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[Dauw]

Or they'd be enjoying the view.  Especially some of that FemShep X Liara stuff.

I can think of worse ways to spend eternity.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

TheSimbul wrote...
(they've managed to transplant their consciousness into a datapad you can chat with, a la Harry Potter paintings lol)

I'm going to just leave this here 

[TheSimbul]

Geinen wrote...

TheSimbul wrote...

.dammit, even Legion AND Mordin (they've managed to transplant their consciousness into a datapad you can chat with, a la Harry Potter paintings lol)
;D

Have you ever considered the implications of that?

Your shep and LI will be getting it on in their cabin, and you'll have poor Legion and Mordin in their datapads on the desk.  They'd be horrified and unable to look away. 

I'd leave the datapads in the adequate rooms aka the lab and the war room. Or they could be facing each other with a nice chess/go game going between them ;P