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[KaiserinKai]

TamiBx wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

I think i got what bioware is trying to do.
They will delay the ending dlc ultil 12/21/12 so, the world will end before we play it.

That's my 21st Birthday...

That's my 25th birthday.... wah, I don't want to be Christmas Cake...

You guys were born on December 21st? I am so sorry...

Yea, I freaked when I learned that my B-Day was going to be the end of the world...

[Debi-Tage]

LazarusMP wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

So this was on another recently opened up thread...

http://imgur.com/eMYVd

I know we take twitter with a grain of salt, but... ugh. I hope that the closure is actually something that makes sense and not more space magic. 

I can't find the tweet. Has it been taken down?

I went to the original poster's Twitter page (@adystarkey75) and found his original question and his reponse but the comment from @masseffect appears to have been deleted...

That happens a lot. BW folk just need to learn to stop saying anything definitive on FB or Twitter. I seriously doubt that the "official" stance is going to get leaked via Twitter or FB. It will be here or PAX and it will be coming from a heavy hitter. Not a community manager who doesn't get paid enough for the backlash (NO offense Jessica)!

[TamiBx]

Mythandariel wrote...

32 and unmarried still.

20 and living the college life...but I'd rather have my Xbox around. 

[Nharia1]

TamiBx wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

I think i got what bioware is trying to do.
They will delay the ending dlc ultil 12/21/12 so, the world will end before we play it.

That's my 21st Birthday...

That's my 25th birthday.... wah, I don't want to be Christmas Cake...

You guys were born on December 21st? I am so sorry...

Yeah... ;-; This year is starting off on a really sour note... lets hope it doesn't stay that way....

[Debi-Tage]

Nharia1 wrote...
Yeah... ;-; This year is starting off on a really sour note... lets hope it doesn't stay that way....

"A sour, yellow note..." sorry, it will get better!!!

[SkaldFish]

Acidrain92 wrote...

Why is this space magic term being thrown around so much?

Magic is just science we havent explained yet.

If that's implicitly established early in the narrative and applied consistently, sure. In tis case, though, we're talking about poorly conceived science fiction that forces the reader out of willing suspension of disbelief.

The ME3 ending does this because, for willing suspension of disbelief to work, the writer(s) establish an implicit contract with readers/players early in the story. Soon we understand what the rules of the story's universe are, and we accept certain unexplained (or unexplainable) elements of that universe in order to participate in the narrative. In Mass Effect, for example, we don't expect a detailed scientific explanation of Mass Relays. We just get a few brief statements here and there, the idea that "heck, we aren't sure; they were here when we got here and we're just using them," and we accept them for the sake of the story.

Over the course of the narrative, this suspension of disbelief builds on itself, because the scope of the story demands more and more acceptance of unexplained elements so that the primary story arcs can progress. Now Mass Effect doesn't do a perfect job of this through all three installments, but it succeeds, most of the time, demonstrating that the writers are aware of the areas where they've asked players to suspend their disbelief, and they provide enough science and technology "hints" along the way to enable most players to "buy in" and move on. Only "hard" science fiction ever does more than this, and Mass Effect is NOT in that genre.

Then, in the last 10 minutes or so of ME3, the writers suddenly rely on cognitive estrangement* to hope that these same players won't notice that what they're being asked to accept is inconsistent with key elements for which they've already been asked to suspend their disbelief. To put it simply:

For reasons that are unclear, the writers introduced a plot device that changed the rules governing the story's universe and (apparently) figured no one would notice.

Players who had "bought into" that universe across hundreds of hours of gameplay were immediately kicked out of their immersion in the story with a "What the..." response.

That's space magic.

* cognitive estrangement: relying on nothing more than the reader's / player's ignorance or lack of knowledge to create or maintain suspension of disbelief.

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

Mythandariel wrote...

32 and unmarried still.

20 and living the college life...but I'd rather have my Xbox around. 

My birthday's a week before the end of the world.  Big 29 ;P.  I plan to take all birthday cards and use them to teach my future post-apocalyptic mutant children how to read.  I plan to show them Mass Effect 3's original ending and start a myth that it's what actually caused the end of the world from inside my nuclear bunker made from Canadian snow.  (our snow is that awesome...my space magic is better than anything )

[Ender99]

Debi-Tage wrote...


That happens a lot. BW folk just need to learn to stop saying anything definitive on FB or Twitter. I seriously doubt that the "official" stance is going to get leaked via Twitter or FB. It will be here or PAX and it will be coming from a heavy hitter. Not a community manager who doesn't get paid enough for the backlash (NO offense Jessica)!

That's kinda what I figured. I just wanted to check it out. Yeah, yeah, I'm nosy, but I like seeing it first hand.

Sigh. PAX is too far away..

[rithufung]

I hate DLC concept from the begining, include day one DLC (even i bought the collector's edition)
now i can't believe i am asking one for now........and is just more sad when some of you told me this DLC ending thing won't be possible......
god i don't care if it's free or not....just give me one





but i think my trust in EA and Bioware is over

[AnImpossibleGirl]

TamiBx wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Oh, this is the DLC we need, guys.

http://i287.photobuc...b3af7f9e4bd.jpg

I would pay good money for that DLC! Trust me, there is nothing "innocent" about that child.........

Oh yeah. This is my feeling right now:
http://s7.directuplo...16/gfagacja.jpg

That just made my day!

[Rulycar]

So, I'm watching TV ...
... ME3 ad comes on
... apparently it is "coherent" and 10/10
... makes me think they won't do a damned thing

Modifié par Rulycar, 24 mars 2012 - 04:32 .

[Ender99]

Computim wrote...

My birthday's a week before the end of the world.  Big 29 ;P.  I plan to take all birthday cards and use them to teach my future post-apocalyptic mutant children how to read.  I plan to show them Mass Effect 3's original ending and start a myth that it's what actually caused the end of the world from inside my nuclear bunker made from Canadian snow.  (our snow is that awesome...my space magic is better than anything )

Who says it's a myth? It could happen.

If your snow is that awesome, I may be stealin---errrr-----BORROWING  your post-apocalyptic space bunker.

[Computim]

Rulycar wrote...

So, I'm watching TV ...
... ME3 ad comes on
... apparently it is "coherent" and 10/10
... makes me think they won't do a damned thing

Those ads were created probably 2 months ago lol.  They're not going to change a marketing campaign based off the ending.. what did you expect?

Mass Effect 3.  IGN Rated it 10/10... tens of thousands of fans said the ending sucked.  Buy it today!

They still do need to sell their game lol.

[Lord Costantino]

TamiBx wrote...


20 and living the college life...but I'd rather have my Xbox around. 

*high Fives*
Same with me 

Modifié par Lord Costantino, 24 mars 2012 - 04:35 .

[Ender99]

TamiBx wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Oh, this is the DLC we need, guys.

http://i287.photobuc...b3af7f9e4bd.jpg

I would pay good money for that DLC! Trust me, there is nothing "innocent" about that child.........

Oh yeah. This is my feeling right now:
http://s7.directuplo...16/gfagacja.jpg

Look. My new screensaver! XD

No, seriously......

[RatedRRachel]

Rulycar wrote...

So, I'm watching TV ...
... ME3 ad comes on
... apparently it is "coherent" and 10/10
... makes me think they won't do a damned thing

Yeah, I hate that ad, just because the "coherent" line comes from the New York Times review. And then I remember Bioware's statement where they brought up all of the perfect reviews they were getting. Too bad that most of the fanbase wishs that they could love the game, but can't stomach the last five minutes. What was worse, was the last time I saw that commerical a US Navy ad came on almost right after. Keith David's voice almost made me tear up. 

[TamiBx]

Computim wrote...

My birthday's a week before the end of the world.  Big 29 ;P.  I plan to take all birthday cards and use them to teach my future post-apocalyptic mutant children how to read.  I plan to show them Mass Effect 3's original ending and start a myth that it's what actually caused the end of the world from inside my nuclear bunker made from Canadian snow.  (our snow is that awesome...my space magic is better than anything )

Omg! Maybe Space Magic  will help us on December 21! 

EDIT: apparently I can't spell "us" lol

Modifié par TamiBx, 24 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[SkaldFish]

Acidrain92 wrote...

I honestly dont get how people actually thought that Bioware was going to actively change the ending with DLC xD

if they did end up doing that it would be super crappy with rushed in game cutscenes that try to appease fans and a lack of dialogue because they wouldnt be able to get certain voice actors back. It would be way too ridiculous and not nearly as refined visually as the current ending.

Closure is all I really ever expected, and im pretty sure they were planning to do that from the start. We just couldnt wait until a month or so to start raging about the lack of it.

The current ending is "refined"? I'm going to have to, well, disagree with you on that one. The overall quality, IMO, falls off a cliff about the time Shepard wakes up on the Citadel.

[TamiBx]

Lord Costantino wrote...

TamiBx wrote...


20 and living the college life...but I'd rather have my Xbox around. 

*high Fives*
Same with me 

Stupid college. I just want it to be summer, so I can be reunited with my Xbox  

Modifié par TamiBx, 24 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

Computim wrote...

My birthday's a week before the end of the world.  Big 29 ;P.  I plan to take all birthday cards and use them to teach my future post-apocalyptic mutant children how to read.  I plan to show them Mass Effect 3's original ending and start a myth that it's what actually caused the end of the world from inside my nuclear bunker made from Canadian snow.  (our snow is that awesome...my space magic is better than anything )

Omg! Maybe Space Magic  will help as on December 21! 

We'rrrrrreeeeee gonnnnnnna liveeeeee! 

[TamiBx]

 This. This is where they got the ending, guys!

http://img839.images...2b77b2302c9.jpg

Modifié par TamiBx, 24 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

 This. This is where they got the ending, guys!

http://img839.images...2b77b2302c9.jpg

*snickers* Harbinger was just Alvin's voice slowed down like 3,000,000%?

[Rulycar]

Computim wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

So, I'm watching TV ...
... ME3 ad comes on
... apparently it is "coherent" and 10/10
... makes me think they won't do a damned thing

Those ads were created probably 2 months ago lol.  They're not going to change a marketing campaign based off the ending.. what did you expect?

Mass Effect 3.  IGN Rated it 10/10... tens of thousands of fans said the ending sucked.  Buy it today!

They still do need to sell their game lol.

No, what I expect is they drop the lies and advertise ME3's actual strengths.
Having a dozen years in the business, those ads could be replaced in mere hours.
... (probably less nowadays)
They are specifically running them in opposition to the ending controversy.

[evisneffo]

Arrgh, I missed the page about yodelling. I was gonna come in and say I think you guys are starting to crack.

Anyhow, food for thought: here's a well thought-out write-up of ways of looking at the ending.

And I hope that Twitter thing was another case of misinformation, because if that's the direction they're taking it can't go anywhere pretty ...

Back to my first ever Insanity playthrough which is painful on all counts.

[Ender99]

TamiBx wrote...

 This. This is where they got the ending, guys!

http://img839.images...2b77b2302c9.jpg

Omg. So many choices. What to choose, what to choose......what's the difference between them again?

Modifié par Ender99, 24 mars 2012 - 04:44 .