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[Iconoclaste]

For those of us throwing anger at Bioware, bear in mind that you will just show them there's minus one player to account for, again and again, in the decision of making or not anything about the endings. That is unsupportive for the rest of us, and unproductive. If we are at least entitled to something, then it should be hope, and ranting against Bioware is working against our collective hope.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 24 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[Jere85]

Fox544 wrote...

Ughhh I'm done. I want my money back. BW isn't the company I once knew.

Hold the line man, this isnt over, wait for PAX, then decide what you do.

[405thRazgriz]

Iconoclaste wrote...

For those of us throwing anger at Bioware, bear in mind that you will just show them there's minus one player to account for, again and again, in the decision of making or not anything about the endings. That is unsupportive for the rest of us, and unproductive. If we are at least entitled to something, then it should be hope, and ranting against Bioware is working against our collective hope.

I'm just letting them know -like many of us- that unless they get their act together, then they've lost a customer. If they right what they've wronged, in a manner of speaking, then I will continue to support Bioware and their products for years to come.

I apologize, but all of these recent tweets and such have been crushing my moral. I can only take so much.

[kyg_20X6]

At this point I just want to see what happens to my Shepard, LI & crew after the war (if they survived). If they fix anything else, that's gravy. I can enjoy a game even if it's got a lacklustre ending. I CAN'T enjoy a game if it doesn't give me that kind of closure, especially at the end of a trilogy, ESPECIALLY especially a Mass Effect trilogy.

[NeverQuiteAwake]

405thRazgriz wrote...

I just got my 1050/1050 gamescore last night for Mass Effect 3. I had to force myself to play through the game on insanity just to get the 100% complete (this isn't a compliment, I do this with many games, some of which I hate).

I took the disk out, put it in my N7 case, then threw the game into what I like to call, "The Crate". The crate is, for all intents and purposes, hell for my game collection. I don't sell ANY of my games no matter how much I may dislike it -I'd keep a copy of ET if I found one-; so now, it will just sit an gather dust alongside all of the horrible games I've acquired over my many years of gaming. My vintage SNES collection will get more attention than ME3.

There was a chance that it could escape from The Crate. All Bioware had to do was fix the freaking ending. I know we aren't supposed to take what their twitter feed says as 100% truth, but they've been humming a pretty consistent tune that is in sync with what we've been told through other sources.

Mass Effect 3 will forever remain within The Crate, but I will let you know this: never again will another game with 'Bioware' written on its cover ever find its way into The Crate. The reason for this is simple; I will never buy another Bioware game again, so I won't have one to put into The Crate.

I've been a fan since KOTOR. I still have my original copy. However, I feel like Bioware has stabbed me in the back. I won't let them do it again: no second chances.

Amen

I have something similar to The Crate that I have for books of shame. Twilight goes in there. That's right, I just compared the shameful ending to Twilight.

[Fox544]

Mattroy wrote...

I can take a bad ending to a game, but when you build it up through lies to be everything that fans could ask for and then ultimately don't deliver... that hurts. Whichever way this goes, I'd really like BioWare to apologize for the all lies they told us, that can't be argued away. I'm willing to forgive, but not forget.

Thats kinda where I'm coming from. They told us what to expect but lied. Then when we called them on it they minimalized us. Now they tell us they're listening but keep telling us they're going to clarify the ending knowing we don't want it clarified, we want it removed. It seems with all of the double talk and secrets that BW is trying to apply for a job at Umbrella Corp.

Modifié par Fox544, 24 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[Iconoclaste]

The actual "bad endings" could be argued to their advantage, because this was supposed to be "the end", indeed. So in that perspective, they knew and acknowledged it would cause some amount of frustration, and it could be blandly demonstrated that they fulfilled their "promises" in the "various endings", with seeing the Krogans while walking to the final war meeting (instead of only Salarians), since saying goodbye to this character instead of that one, and so on. The point of promising not buying anymore from Bioware is unproductive, since so many refer to "previous lies", and still bought Mass Effect 3. I don't want to negate the negative feelings relating to the poor endings of the series, but in no way showing that we will walk away if this or that will get us anything but a bad reputation. Many have used references to DA, it just got mixed in the global ranting scheme to give opponents ammo.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 24 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[SkaldFish]

<DISCLAIMER>I don't mean this to sound like bashing the opinions of others; I just find it very interesting psychologically and sociologically.</DISCLAIMER>

I've been reading comments (not here; out on the InterTubes) about the ending (for and against), and I noticed a theme or pattern in the "pro-ending" comments. They go like this (paraphrased):

"I thought the ending was great. Sure, there were some plot holes, and the Normandy crash-landing made no sense, and I don't understand how my squadmates for the final push died, then show up back on the Normandy, and that little energy kid was kind of weird and said some things I question, but aside from that, it was amazing!"

The structure is

[It was great] except that [just about everything about it wasn't so great] but it was still great

I just find that really fascinating.

[Iconoclaste]

Bioware sees "new endings = $$$ to spend".
x amount of players will go if we do not give them what they want.
$$$ to spend minus xxx amount of players that will probably leave, because we will not give in to a total agreement to what a zillion requests implies = we get a deficit.

Nonsense.

Hold the line, and propose solutions, in a respectful manner. My humble suggestion.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 24 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[NeverQuiteAwake]

SkaldFish wrote...

<DISCLAIMER>I don't mean this to sound like bashing the opinions of others; I just find it very interesting psychologically and sociologically.</DISCLAIMER>

I've been reading comments (not here; out on the InterTubes) about the ending (for and against), and I noticed a theme or pattern in the "pro-ending" comments. They go like this (paraphrased):

"I thought the ending was great. Sure, there were some plot holes, and the Normandy crash-landing made no sense, and I don't understand how my squadmates for the final push died, then show up back on the Normandy, and that little energy kid was kind of weird and said some things I question, but aside from that, it was amazing!"

The structure is

[It was great] except that [just about everything about it wasn't so great] but it was still great

I just find that really fascinating.

I noticed this too. Otherwise, they won't give a straight answer as to why they liked it (not that the example you gave was really straightforward, lol). Or worse, they just insult the people who want a different ending.

I study psychology, so I've been very curious about this as well.

[Ihatebadgames]

They've got till May 5th for my money.Otherwise this customer is gone the 6th.I really don't think DA3 or a BG remix are going to be earthshaking.When I got ME1 it took me a week or so to get into it.Based on ME3 endings that were made for the new player,that week was wasted.

Modifié par Ihatebadgames, 24 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[Iconoclaste]

Little Miss Angel wrote...

I noticed this too. Otherwise,
they won't give a straight answer as to why they liked it (not that the
example you gave was really straightforward, lol). Or worse, they just
insult the people who want a different ending.

I study psychology, so I've been very curious about this as well.

They maybe are just afraid to be on the "loosing side", and deem they are on the "winning side" because they go with the "majority".

A good part of "winning" is in the attitude : act as a "winner", and the odds will have a better chance to get on your side. Those "twitter" tentatives are just aimed at changing the odds.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 24 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[donmaciu]

SkaldFish wrote...

<DISCLAIMER>I don't mean this to sound like bashing the opinions of others; I just find it very interesting psychologically and sociologically.</DISCLAIMER>

I've been reading comments (not here; out on the InterTubes) about the ending (for and against), and I noticed a theme or pattern in the "pro-ending" comments. They go like this (paraphrased):

"I thought the ending was great. Sure, there were some plot holes, and the Normandy crash-landing made no sense, and I don't understand how my squadmates for the final push died, then show up back on the Normandy, and that little energy kid was kind of weird and said some things I question, but aside from that, it was amazing!"

The structure is

[It was great] except that [just about everything about it wasn't so great] but it was still great

I just find that really fascinating.

Cognitive dissonance? 

[NeverQuiteAwake]

Iconoclaste wrote...

They maybe are just afraid to be on the "loosing side", and deem they are on the "winning side" because they go with the "majority".

A good part of "winning" is in the attitude : act as a "winner", and the odds will have a better chance to get on your side. Those "twitter" tentatives are just aimed at changing the odds.

Haha, yeah, there's definitely some confused logic going around there. But I get that, once you formulate your opinion, you certainly don't want to admit that you were wrong, so you do everything you can to prove you're right even if you can't.

EDIT: Cognitive dissonance sounds about right

Modifié par Little Miss Angel, 24 mars 2012 - 06:55 .

[Iconoclaste]

Xactly

And that reasoning applies to every side in the debate.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 24 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[-PG-Skyre]

One disturbing thing I've noticed is when I ask someone who likes the ending why they like it, they turn hostile. Damn near every time I've asked why someone likes the ending, the person starts insulting my intelligence, understanding and...well...anything else they can think of (and no, I don't ask in any insulting way).

[bowery tuff]

So my coworker just finished ME3. He had read about the controversy but had some doubts that the ending could be that bad. He was at a loss for words and he's way more a casual ME player than I am. He asked me what the point of every choice was if we get pigeonholed into three nearly identical choices. I told him about the indoctrination theory and he seemed to think it made some sense but he is definitely not a happy camper and thinks it's one of the worst endings he's ever seen. He wanted to know why Harbinger didn't make an appearance. I told him, "He's the one who shot you on Earth." His response was pretty much, "That's it? I would never have known it was him if you hadn't told me." Poor guy.

[kewnsty]

the only time i talked to a PRO ending guy. he said the ending was open to interptations * he liked that* yes it was bleak. yes there are plot holes !! . but it shows in the end the star gazer guy . that there is alittle bit of life however long in the future it is. is still alive .
thats his whole reasoning.

[NeverQuiteAwake]

bowery tuff wrote...

So my coworker just finished ME3. He had read about the controversy but had some doubts that the ending could be that bad. He was at a loss for words and he's way more a casual ME player than I am. He asked me what the point of every choice was if we get pigeonholed into three nearly identical choices. I told him about the indoctrination theory and he seemed to think it made some sense but he is definitely not a happy camper and thinks it's one of the worst endings he's ever seen. He wanted to know why Harbinger didn't make an appearance. I told him, "He's the one who shot you on Earth." His response was pretty much, "That's it? I would never have known it was him if you hadn't told me." Poor guy.

My friend just finished ME3 too. She pretty much said the same things, also liked the indoctrination theory. But, boy, she was really mad. She said it was nice to know other people were pissed too.

Modifié par Little Miss Angel, 24 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[Iconoclaste]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

One disturbing thing I've noticed is when I ask someone who likes the ending why they like it, they turn hostile. Damn near every time I've asked why someone likes the ending, the person starts insulting my intelligence, understanding and...well...anything else they can think of (and no, I don't ask in any insulting way).

There is a big issue at stake here, and I think it relates to "ego". This "artistic integrity" thing, where we apparently cannot address the legitimacy of the "endings" since they are the sole "prerogative" of the "authors", the fact that some react in immature manners, insulting Bioware's staff while we have absolutely no way to know what happened in the creation process, the accusations of "entitlement" directed at the fanbase that seem to find an easy echo in some media, etc.

I think the best reaction is to simply do our best to be more "mature" in our way to "hold the line".

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 24 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[Ihatebadgames]

Night all,keep holding the line.For the Makers sake be nice to everyone no matter their I.Q. I hate locked threads.

[MstrJedi Kyle]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

One disturbing thing I've noticed is when I ask someone who likes the ending why they like it, they turn hostile. Damn near every time I've asked why someone likes the ending, the person starts insulting my intelligence, understanding and...well...anything else they can think of (and no, I don't ask in any insulting way).

Insults take over when no intelligent thought is formed

[SkaldFish]

kewnsty wrote...

the only time i talked to a PRO ending guy. he said the ending was open to interptations * he liked that* yes it was bleak. yes there are plot holes !! . but it shows in the end the star gazer guy . that there is alittle bit of life however long in the future it is. is still alive .
thats his whole reasoning.

Yes, I've seen that as well. So it might be true that many people who like the ending are actually referring to the general theme, and aren't really concerned about issues with its execution.

I don't know. Just trying to understand...