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[Kathris89]

Debi-Tage wrote...

Just a thought, but I'm personally a very analytical person, I also love ambiguity where it belongs, but tend to get annoyed when it is used cheaply (or what I perceive as cheap...emotional shock and awe) . There are many people who are waaay more laid back than me, maybe that's the difference in outlooks about this whole thing, I dunno?

That's a good point, the whole thing seems so out of touch for me though, that's why I don't like it, but maybe the kind of aloof feeling, for lack of a better description, is really enticing for some...

[PhoenixDove1]

Yeah, I'm actuallly really surprised. That tells me there are enough people dissatisfied with the ending that we've pushed it to less than 2.5 stars. I also don't understand the pro enders. It's not like we're saying you can't have that ending, we're saying we want more to reflect our choices and to have closure and plot holes explained or fixed. Why is that so bad?

[Debi-Tage]

Kathris89 wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

Just a thought, but I'm personally a very analytical person, I also love ambiguity where it belongs, but tend to get annoyed when it is used cheaply (or what I perceive as cheap...emotional shock and awe) . There are many people who are waaay more laid back than me, maybe that's the difference in outlooks about this whole thing, I dunno?

That's a good point, the whole thing seems so out of touch for me though, that's why I don't like it, but maybe the kind of aloof feeling, for lack of a better description, is really enticing for some...

Yes! It's what is missing in understanding between me and my more artisically-minded friends...they tend to just feel and flow with things more (not to generalize people). I want to figure everything out - its a disconnect as you can imagine! Maybe that's why its so hard for the people who enjoyed the ending to put a finger on a "logical" argument for the "why"? 

[naes1984]

PhoenixDove1 wrote...

Yeah, I'm actuallly really surprised. That tells me there are enough people dissatisfied with the ending that we've pushed it to less than 2.5 stars. I also don't understand the pro enders. It's not like we're saying you can't have that ending, we're saying we want more to reflect our choices and to have closure and plot holes explained or fixed. Why is that so bad?

There is nothing wrong with wanting the promises of the series to fulfilled.

[joiner87]

I can get a copy on amazon uk for £34...its not even been out a month!

[HITMAN629]

PhoenixDove1 wrote...

Yeah, I'm actuallly really surprised. That tells me there are enough people dissatisfied with the ending that we've pushed it to less than 2.5 stars. I also don't understand the pro enders. It's not like we're saying you can't have that ending, we're saying we want more to reflect our choices and to have closure and plot holes explained or fixed. Why is that so bad?

What makes it worse is the response (or lack there of) from Bioware. The only real things that we have gotten from them is "we are listening" "we are not changing the ending" "wait til Apri"

[NeverQuiteAwake]

Debi-Tage wrote...

Yes! It's what is missing in understanding between me and my more artisically-minded friends...they tend to just feel and flow with things more (not to generalize people). I want to figure everything out - its a disconnect as you can imagine! Maybe that's why its so hard for the people who enjoyed the ending to put a finger on a "logical" argument for the "why"? 

See, I had previously considered myself to be somewhat artistically-minded, I suppose by that I mean I have a high tolerance for ambiguity. I liked the endings of Lost and BSG as I was able to look past everything they didn't answer. Lost was mired in mystery, so it made sense to me that mystery remained. There was also closure and a logic based on rules set by the narrative.

But the end of ME3 instantly made me furious the second the credits started rolling. I was actually quite surprised by my reaction, but here I am.

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[Kathris89]

Debi-Tage wrote...

Yes! It's what is missing in understanding between me and my more artisically-minded friends...they tend to just feel and flow with things more (not to generalize people). I want to figure everything out - its a disconnect as you can imagine! Maybe that's why its so hard for the people who enjoyed the ending to put a finger on a "logical" argument for the "why"? 

Huh, now that you mention it, my brother is left-handed, and I've learned (I study psychology, btw ) they perceive things differently, make connections most right-handed people wouldn't think of; I like knowing how and why things happen the way they do, and meanwhile, his approach is always different from mine, it's kind of fun actually, and now that you've pointed out your artistic friends' opinion, I think I can understand to some level the pro-ending people...
Hmm, much to think about.... (don't worry people, either way I still don't like the endings...)

[PhoenixDove1]

'saddened' I know, that's what I think confuses me a lot. I was thinking about movies. Braveheart was so good but so bittersweet. At least that's what I would define it. Then to story 3 the end when they all holds hands. And you think that's the end but it's not Don't want to spoil those in case someone hasnt seen them. If you haven't see them please rent them mmediately

[naes1984]

What's funny is that ME2 ends in either a Red Explosion (destroy) OR a Blue Explosion (keep). What's the difference? ME2 had meaningful decisions leading up to that point (upgrade, rescue the crew, loyalty missions, choosing parties members to go through the vent/fire team/biotic shield and so on). There was a logical progression to the endgame. There were surprises along the way (Human Reaper, Collectors as Protheans) but all of the surprises added to the mythology of the universe. ME3; not so much.

[SkaldFish]

Kathris89 wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

Yes! It's what is missing in understanding between me and my more artisically-minded friends...they tend to just feel and flow with things more (not to generalize people). I want to figure everything out - its a disconnect as you can imagine! Maybe that's why its so hard for the people who enjoyed the ending to put a finger on a "logical" argument for the "why"? 

Huh, now that you mention it, my brother is left-handed, and I've learned (I study psychology, btw ) they perceive things differently, make connections most right-handed people wouldn't think of; I like knowing how and why things happen the way they do, and meanwhile, his approach is always different from mine, it's kind of fun actually, and now that you've pointed out your artistic friends' opinion, I think I can understand to some level the pro-ending people...
Hmm, much to think about.... (don't worry people, either way I still don't like the endings...)

Well, I'm sure personality type is a factor, as are other things like each person's learning style, whether or not they do much reading of science fiction, and so on.

But...

I'm left-handed.
My undergrad degree is in Art.
I'm right on the center line between intuitive and analytical.
I thought the ending was abyssmal.

Maybe I'm an outlier.

[PhoenixDove1]

'disheartened' Yes, the statements from Bioware are a tad confusing at times, definitely open to interpretation and PAX feels so far away. 'pouts' I want to be enjoying ME3 again by that time

[Kathris89]

SkaldFish wrote...
Well, I'm sure personality type is a factor, as are other things like each person's learning style, whether or not they do much reading of science fiction, and so on.
But...
I'm left-handed.
My undergrad degree is in Art.
I'm right on the center line between intuitive and analytical.
I thought the ending was abyssmal.
Maybe I'm an outlier.

Hahaha, don't think it has to be so blck-and-white, I think there's a lot of everything around here now, it affected different people in different ways, maybe I'm just trying to find a reason to understand those on the other side 

[Debi-Tage]

Little Miss Angel wrote...

See, I had previously considered myself to be somewhat artistically-minded, I suppose by that I mean I have a high tolerance for ambiguity. I liked the endings of Lost and BSG as I was able to look past everything they didn't answer. Lost was mired in mystery, so it made sense to me that mystery remained. There was also closure and a logic based on rules set by the narrative.

But the end of ME3 instantly made me furious the second the credits started rolling. I was actually quite surprised by my reaction, but here I am.

That's why I think the majority of players, even our friends with very active imaginations, still have a really hard time overlooking all the plotholes and reversal of precedence to the overall story. It really comes out of left field a smacks you in the head! 

Those people who enjoyed it are just as defensive as we are when we get called "whiners" or whatever. I for one am glad that the ending worked for some people! Just not me, or my Shepard, unfortunately.

[ElMuchu]

Hi, I have been away for a week. I have just seen Ray Muzyka's answer. I am not especially fluent in english and there is so many quick change in the forum that I would be please if someone could summarize me the discussions you may have one that point. Do they plan to create new endings or just to add clarifications on existing ones?
Many thanks in advance to those who will answer me.

[PhoenixDove1]

That's an interesting point. I try but I feel like a jerk if I go renegade so I generally do a middle road and paragon run through. I figured there had to be similarities between the endings of the others to some degree. Is it the same for ME1 as well?

'assuming' But I can see where if you don't do any or only half of the loyalty quests the ending would still feel different and reflect your choices vs if you did all the loyalty quests.

[Debi-Tage]

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[Debi-Tage]

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[Debi-Tage]

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[Debi-Tage]

im going to bed now

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[Debi-Tage]

SkaldFish wrote...

Well, I'm sure personality type is a factor, as are other things like each person's learning style, whether or not they do much reading of science fiction, and so on.

But...

I'm left-handed.
My undergrad degree is in Art.
I'm right on the center line between intuitive and analytical.
I thought the ending was abyssmal.

Maybe I'm an outlier.

We all are me thinks!!
...or at least according to IGN and PA

EDIT: too tired to quote apparently...

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[CitizenSnips28]

I think one thing that I dislike about me3s ending is how it manages to seem specific in all the wrong spots, yet vague overall. They are very specific about upturning the entire setting. Destroying the relays, stranding the Normandy, Shep death if you chose mint or blueberry. Were told specifically what the reapers motivations were, which was disappointing. They go from being space Cthulu to benevolent idiots who decide to do the most horrible things to advanced organisms... for their own good? Like maybe they should try... talking to people... you know explain the AI thing and tell everyone you'll wipe them out if they make AI's. Or maybe float around being AI police. You know... pretty much ANYTHING besides what they end up doing. Then the ending manages to be vague in all the wrong places. We are in the dark as to consequences of our choices, the fate of the crew, anyone in the citadel or the armada. Even what happens to shep (if you pick cinnamon) is vague. Its all very off putting. I t just upturns way too much at the very last second for a supposed end to the series.

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[Ampmaster]

Random question for everyone that goes back to ME2... when they did the Normandy crash site DLC... am I the only one who fired a gun salute for the 20 fallen crew members?

...maybe I'm just odd because I was on a Marine Corps funeral detail for a few months.

[VigilancePress]

ElMuchu wrote...

Hi, I have been away for a week. I have just seen Ray Muzyka's answer. I am not especially fluent in english and there is so many quick change in the forum that I would be please if someone could summarize me the discussions you may have one that point. Do they plan to create new endings or just to add clarifications on existing ones?
Many thanks in advance to those who will answer me.

Dr. Ray Muzyka's post says they will give us more information in April. They are working on something, but they haven't said what it is.

I hope that helps!

[laughing sherpa girl]

I do believe your quoting worked exceptionally well Debi. ...