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BigglesFlysAgain

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Phoenix NL wrote...

Yubz wrote...

Here's anothet tweet, they're not going to change the ending

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/183299447927742464

stupid link, why wont you work >_>

Well it could just mean that they're not changing the whole ending as some people have requested. Maybe they're just adding new options to the existing ending?




What they mean is there wont be a new retail version of the game, mass effect thought they guy was worrrying there would be a new retail box, but in fact he was asking if it was worthwhile at all to buy the game

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Phoenix NL wrote...

Yubz wrote...

Here's anothet tweet, they're not going to change the ending

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/183299447927742464

stupid link, why wont you work >_>

Well it could just mean that they're not changing the whole ending as some people have requested. Maybe they're just adding new options to the existing ending?


Or it could mean Santa is coming. Seriously people, don't lose heart beacuse of twitter messages, until there's an official announcement telling us we can hang for all they care, they're not changing/adding anything or that they have seen the light and will make new endings, we can't know for sure, and should probably not even speculate.

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Nope, played through twice and completing my third on Insanity - just before London p a few little sweetners but can't see anything being too different so far. Maybe I will show my age but a few stickers for me include:

Kogan genophage ending - final fantasy - spirit within ending (same droplets).
Kalros - looks and feels so like Dune series with spice worms.
Suicide of IM and Saren - Dejavu!
So many choices played through ME1 and 2 not carried over i.e Tali was an engineer not a mechanic in my playthrough.
What happened to the dark matter story - that was really interesting and hinted at in ME2
Why was Karl Reeger just dumped through a message - damn good story in ME2
Do you guys at Bioware actually get people externally to read your story line - i.e writing a thesis at Uni it is good practice to get someone else (not immersed in what you are doing to read your chapters) it also saves very embarressing guffs ...oh sorry you published before external proofing ...
The logic of the ending is very poor - sorry we are a pretty intelligent bunch of fans we are able to figure out the viability of what you have offered as endings - apart from the synthesis ending the galaxy will probably go extinct anyway = no need to kill the reapers after all. Not bittersweet - just rushed, not well thought out and a bit embarrresing really.

I can overlook minor story line glitches but after multiple playthroughs I am sorry your endings just don't work in the limited presentation that they are. I am sure I will remember more of my points as I reflect - for now I have a thesis to finish. I hope you can take what if offered by so many fans as our investment in the series and yes our investment in your company with the products we buy,

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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Yubz wrote...

Here's anothet tweet, they're not going to change the ending

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/183299447927742464

stupid link, why wont you work >_>

Well it could just mean that they're not changing the whole ending as some people have requested. Maybe they're just adding new options to the existing ending?




What they mean is there wont be a new retail version of the game, mass effect thought they guy was worrrying there would be a new retail box, but in fact he was asking if it was worthwhile at all to buy the game

Aha, well reasoned Biggles! See this is why I hate Twitter, stupid short messages that can be taken any way a person chooses. It would be better if Bioware would hurry up and release an official statement but I'm being good and staying patient until then.

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shepLJ wrote...

Kalros - looks and feels so like Dune series with spice worms.

It reminded me of that film "Tremors" lol

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SkaldFish wrote...

Apologies if linked to before, but I thought this was just an amazing treatise on what's really problematic about the ME3 ending:

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

Highly recommended.

Sorry to self-quote a post, but my favorite line from the above (referring to Energy Boy's speech):

"Is this AI stuck in some kind of feedback loop? It’s so impenetrably convoluted that it defies all attempts to try and rationalize it, so you know what? I’m not even going to try, I’m just going to let it sit there like the failure of basic human reasoning that it is, and let it think about what its done."

Modifié par SkaldFish, 24 mars 2012 - 09:29 .


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Yubz wrote...

Here's anothet tweet, they're not going to change the ending

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/183299447927742464

stupid link, why wont you work >_>


Holy crap, thats actually good. "New Content" = They are adding more to the game. The "New version" thing is in relation to purchasing the game, as in, the games in stores wont be replaced with a new version...nor will the current be patched (most likely). Looks like we are looking at ending DLC guys, but still, good news.

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Just rebuild Edi~ cant be all that hard. After all, synthetics are basically just organics that we learned how to build lol

What irritated me about the Destroy ending killing EDI and the Geth (other than BioWare arbitrarily doing it just to make it a "bad" choice) was that they are just software on computers. How does the red energy pulse take out just the AI software itself and not all computers and/or circuitry? If all computers are fried, galactic civilization is f***ed.

 

Come now  You know the answer to that...  SPACE MAGIC :wizard:   

See its all logical and works perfectly.  

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SkaldFish wrote...

Apologies if linked to before, but I thought this was just an amazing treatise on what's really problematic about the ME3 ending:

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

Highly recommended.


I like this human... He understands

#58710
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That dejavu thing would be really awesome, I think. Loved the similarities between ME3 and ME1. (eg. rushing to the conduit, talking with prothean VI etc.)

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But there was some problem with child to play? :mellow:

Modifié par MordiMoro, 24 mars 2012 - 09:36 .


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That tweet was deleted its no longer a factor

#58713
BigglesFlysAgain

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I just realised that Gears of war 3 had a bittersweet ending involving a super death ray blue wave that handily destroyed the locust, then again all 3 games ended with some sort of WMD

#58714
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Garlador wrote...
This post will be buried soon. This is still such a hot-button issue. I only just beat the game though.

I'll just throw me voice in the choir of us who loved this game SO much only to see it collapse on itself at the pivotal ending. I don't like the ending. None of them make sense, give closure, or affirm any of my previously pain-staking choices about how I'd help shape this galaxy I've come to love.
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All you said is exactly what most players think and why we are holding the line.

It seems that BW presumes that in long term everyone abandoning their products due to the bad ME ending will come back again at some point. Which explains why they apparently will only add some explanation to the current ending and not add more endings. I am sure that they will lose an incredible large number of customers if they do that.

Even though I miss playing SWTOR I am not going to extend my subscription as it makes me feel better not to give BW any money at the moment. If they don't do what their customers are asking for my wallet will be closed for them forever.

Modifié par Gi-Joe-Ge, 24 mars 2012 - 09:40 .


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Just a few thoughts on that last twitter post (which will most likely vanish soon, it'll get deleted lol).
New Content - Means they are adding something new to the game, not editing.
New Version - Is in relation to retail purchases and patches.
If they were just going to add some screens with text, they'd still be using the "clarify" line.

It is not a definitive "we win" moment, not close, but it is a sign of hope. So stick with it guys and hold the line (that being said, I have seen a few instances where the Mass Effect twitter account asked people what they would have liked to have seen in the ending...).

This moral boosting moment is brought to you by Yubz and his tweet stalking ;p

Hold the line.

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Honestly, to me, the tweets don't come as a big surprise. it's what I gathered from the blog entry a few days back anyway. I don't get how so many big news sites saw that as an anouncement that there would be new endings.
In the end, it doesn't change a thing. It's now pivotal to make clear that somehow handwaving away all those plotholes in the last 10 minutes of the game will not suffice (although I'd love to see that explanation...). It's far from over. We haven't lost, we haven't gotten what we wanted. But at least we got an answer, even though it's not much more than a PR spin. Stay dedicated, tell them what you want. For me, that is an ending that honors your choices throughout the trilogy, and ending that makes sense, an ending that keeps the spirit of the franchise.

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I guess people are right. SpaceMagic really IS the answer to everything now. Why I'm not tired at this time? SpaceMagic. Why I'm still hungry even after eating a fairly-large dinner? SpaceMagic. Why BioWare isin't giving us a proper answer about this ending nonsense? SpaceMagic.

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ld1449 wrote...

That tweet was deleted its no longer a factor


They delete tweets because they give too much away. They don't want any details getting out till they have a chance to make their announcment. However, considering the amount of stress the twitter handlers for Mass Effect are under, they do have a tendency to let things slip.
I've seen several twitter posts like that one, and others asking what people wanted to see in the end. Its not the "win" we were looking for, but the twitter handlers are letting things slip to give hope.

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SkaldFish wrote...

Apologies if linked to before, but I thought this was just an amazing treatise on what's really problematic about the ME3 ending:

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

Highly recommended.


A very nice read, thank you very much :)

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HMS Necrostrike wrote...

It's now pivotal to make clear that somehow handwaving away all those plotholes in the last 10 minutes of the game will not suffice (although I'd love to see that explanation...). It's far from over. We haven't lost, we haven't gotten what we wanted. But at least we got an answer, even though it's not much more than a PR spin.


In all honesty though, Bioware must have a crystal clear idea about what the people unsatisfied with the ending want, if they have been reading their feedback threads and emails that is. As I see it, it's their move now.

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Ok, so I obviously only beat the game once because good god, why would I want to put myself through that soul crushing experience again? I decided to go on youtube and see how all the romances played out. I romanced Tali in my main playthrough and thinking back to the scene where she says "I want more time," still ticks me off. But I thought, "Oh, maybe they just wanted to make the Tali romance heart-crushing." Nope. Every single one of them (that I've seen so far) have some sort of dialogue about hope and seeing each other again followed by a tearful goodbye and they're so blasted good. This brings me to my point. I know a lot of people are saying it doesn't have to be happy as long as it makes sense but I'm fed up with that. What would be so wrong in having ONE happy ending? I think people see wanting this as some sort of sign of weakness or something. Screw that. All I want is my Shepard, who has basically been crushed by the galaxy for three games, to have some sort of relief in the end. Oh, well maybe he lives in one destroy ending but that doesn't really matter. His crew, the only people who have had his back through thick and thin, are stranded in Jurassic Park and Shep has no idea if they're alive or not and they have no idea if Shep died, even though they seem to be pretty optimistic with that ambiguity. I keep going back to that Jeremy Jahns review and he had one line that perfectly summed it up for me.

"I understand that the common belief is that in epics like these the hero has to die, but the phrase the hero has to anything in a game like Mass Effect that's built around choice and you picking your own destiny -- it goes against everything that Mass Effect is all about."

As I've said before, I'm ok with bittersweet. The galaxy is decimated, the mass relays are destroyed, the fleet who came together against all odds is stranded far from home and you are dead unless you lived but then you will never see anyone you care about ever again. Oh, and the Reapers are destroyed if you picked ketchup. I'm sorry but that just seems like it's maybe 95 percent bitter and 5 percent sweet. That is not a bittersweet ending and that's the best you can hope for. Not to mention you destroy all synthetics with blind acceptance on the idiotic notion  that synthetics will always be at war with organics despite the fact that you just proved that theory wrong. So to recap, the best possible ending is galactic dark age, a decimated Earth being home to trillions of aliens and humans (which can't conceivably last without resources), the Normandy crew stranded on Fantasy Island (minus the awesomeness of Ricardo Montalban), Shepard has worked his/her butt off just to die (OR MAYBE NOT?!) with never seeing the people who really mattered ever again and never having the closure of knowing what happened to them, Shepard has just grinned like an idiot and accepted the fact that he/she committed genocide against a race he/she realized had been misunderstood and Shepard can never have pie again because all the Krogans will probably eat all the pie and there will never be pie again (after all the terrible things, I'm just assuming this happens).
So yes, I want a happy ending. I don't care if people want to call that sappy or say that I can't appreciate a good dark story. I can. But every person's journey through this great series is their own and Vincent Shepard has taken enough crap from the galaxy. He just wants to retire with his friends have some drinks and run through the streets screaming that he's "the savior of the galaxy and is dating dem hips" while high fiving everyone who still has a pulse before becoming way too drunk and having to have Garrus take his keys. Is that really so wrong?

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Well they just cannot change the content of discs with game, so current endings will be definitely available anyway. What they can do is add more options to the current ending or discard it using indoctrination theory.

I hope they wont go with short route of just making short epilogue movie describing the fate of the squadmates.

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@bowery tuff

Welcome to the line soldier, and if you'd be so kind as to post your message also to the 'we are listening' thread, and possibly to the feedback thread, I'd be one happy gamer :)

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Atrocity wrote...
In all honesty though, Bioware must have a crystal clear idea about what the people unsatisfied with the ending want, if they have been reading their feedback threads and emails that is. As I see it, it's their move now.


You're right of course. What I meant is, don't let up just because they said they'd do somewthing or other. Constantly remind them of what exactly irked you so they don't think we've calmed down and moved on.

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Atrocity wrote...

@bowery tuff

Welcome to the line soldier, and if you'd be so kind as to post your message also to the 'we are listening' thread, and possibly to the feedback thread, I'd be one happy gamer :)


I posted something to those threads already, but this one is way more "screw your no happy ending crap!" Maybe I should post this one too. Pie and romance for Shepard!!!