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[Jere85]

I just looked at PAX scedule, and i see at 4.30pm BW has something for Mass effect, untill 5,30pm... so you are saying people only have a 1 hour window to say what they want to say? or am i missing something? Are there more times they are there for ME?
Please help me understand.

[chmarr]

what you ALL dont reliase is that publishers DO NOT get the money for pre-owned games that are sold, that goes directly to the chain that is selling it.

i dont know what its like anywhere else in the world but here in the uk the chain shops get all the cash

[laughing sherpa girl]

SkaldFish wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

@Lord Constantino

Thank you! Haha.

@Ender99

Bioware got lazy...can't come up with an explanation besides that one. Or they were rushed...

Ifully believe it was the act of two egomaniacal men...<snip/>

Wait -- you mean Rush Limbaugh and Tom Cruise wrote the ending???

:::: gods no.. ven THEY could have wrten a better ending than ME3..

[Geinen]

chmarr wrote...

normally sales drop 40-50% in week 2 but a drop of over 80% nearly across the whole board is bad, also check out the local shops and tell me how many pre-owned are on the dhelves now, 4 gaming shops i know have now stopped taking ME3 for trade-in, not good having a hundred+ in one shop nor is it having a WHOLE rack filled in another (the rack holds max 300  games) get the picture.

seems ME3 is going to die a long prolonged painful death by the look of it.

this is what happens when an ENTIRE script gets fubared by just 2 ppl who wanted it to end in THERE vision and NOT in the ACTUAL vison intended

The sales figures didnt impress me as much as this did.  When stores actually stop taking it back for trade in, especially so early, thats bad.

lol wow.

[chmarr]

Jere85 wrote...

I just looked at PAX scedule, and i see at 4.30pm BW has something for Mass effect, untill 5,30pm... so you are saying people only have a 1 hour window to say what they want to say? or am i missing something? Are there more times they are there for ME?
Please help me understand.

the BW panel WAS 2 hours but they know trouble is going to start so they removed there 1 hour Q and A section of the panel

[-PG-Skyre]

KLGChaos wrote...

I want to believe in the Indoc theory. Heck, going over things during the game (the dreams and such) give me hope. And if it is true, I still don't know what I'm going to make of it. Depends on what Bioware does, I think.

However, even if it is true and the polarizing ending IS the Indoc theory... Bioware hasn't handled the situation all that well. They wanted the ending to be discussed, but I doubt the expected the backlash they did. Years down the road, people will be talking about the ending, but not in the way they hoped. The discussions won't be about the story, but instead about the movement... Or if the Indoc ending is true and they're going to release the real ending via paid DLC, people will be talking about that dangerous move instead. If true, they took a major chance and it backfired.

They told us to wait till PAX though...the amount of bad press they could get from that...its staggering...they would have to have an ace up their sleeves and KNOW they had one that could trump us. I mean, they told us to keep our saves and that more was coming...seems an odd cioncidence.

[Seival]

Debi-Tage wrote...

Good morning/afternoon/evening all! Just checking in for some line holding!

Hold the line!

[nitefyre410]

silencemayday wrote...

*snip* 

if this is true (i have no idea what the sale drop looks like normally) i do really hope that bioware is starting to feel it. it seems like they don't actually seem to care much about everything else that's going on. 

maybe it will get us more than statements that pretty much read like 'we're disappointed in you' and/or 'aww, look, a minority. let me pat you on the head before i shoo you off so that the adults can talk'. 

and yes, sorry. migraine isn't helping with trying to form proper english sentences. 

  


They  may want to ingore it but EA won't... see EA like and big publisher wants to see a return on the  investment they put in Mass Effect 3 and Bioware. This is to them is not a return..so they will wait to the  first quarter numbers come in.  Seeing if the meet or exceeded expectation... from the looks of it  that meetings is not going to be a good time for Ray and Co over at Bioware.  This is another reason why they are waiting till April.. March is ending of the 1st business quarter of the year.. so quarterly numbers are  going too come out. 

[N7_Sniper91]

LazarusMP wrote...
ME3 Sales numbers from www.vgchartz.com/

USA Sales Week Ending March 10 www.vgchartz.com/weekly/40979/USA/

Mass Effect 3
XBox     1,066,947
PS3         289,941
PC           114,492

USA Sales Week Ending March 17 www.vgchartz.com/weekly/40986/USA/

Mass Effect 3
XBox        200,521     -81.2%                       
PS3           57,596     -80.1%                        
PC             24,580     -78.5%

So... An across all platforms 80% drop in sales from week 1 to week 2 of one of the biggest AAA titles of the year.   I think that's being noticed...

That's what they get for lying to us.

Looks like the "Loud Minority" just became the "Loud Majority".

Now unless they want it to get even worse(Which believe me, it can), they better announce an ending expansion or a complete ending DLC, because this "clarity" crap is definitely not going to cut it.

Every moment they waste defending this crappy ending,  more people are returning their copies and taking even more profit from BioWare/EA.

Modifié par N7_Sniper91, 24 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[chmarr]

Geinen wrote...

chmarr wrote...

snippy snippy snip snip

The sales figures didnt impress me as much as this did.  When stores actually stop taking it back for trade in, especially so early, thats bad.

lol wow.

they were just the 4 gaming shops in my area so i dont know about the chain as a whole but  one of them had a letter from the head office stuck to the window explaning why they are now no longer taking ME3 as trade-in.

when a head office does that it means they are now hugly overstocked in one game, which means it could be in effect a 1 week to 4 weeks before they will re-take them, that and the GAME / GameStation chain in the uk have now filed for administration (in short they went bust)

[Jere85]

I hope someone records the 1 hour event on PAX and puts it on youtube, unfortunately i cannot attend, living like an ocean away. Id love to hear what they have to say.

[LazarusMP]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

LazarusMP wrote...

ME3 Sales numbers from www.vgchartz.com/

USA Sales Week Ending March 10 www.vgchartz.com/weekly/40979/USA/

Mass Effect 3 XBox     1,066,947
                         PS3         289,941
                         PC           114,492

USA Sales Week Ending March 17 www.vgchartz.com/weekly/40986/USA/

Mass Effect 3 XBox        200,521     -81.2%
                         PS3           57,596     -80.1%
                         PC             24,580     -78.5%


So... An across all platforms 80% drop in sales from week 1 to week 2 of one of the biggest AAA titles of the year.   I think that's being noticed...

Now that is damming, can you show a comparison for another major release week one and two for Gears or war or Cod?

ME2 XBox www.vgchartz.com/game/28815/mass-effect-2/USA/

Week Ending                 Week          Weekly       Change          Total
30th January 2010           1             568,831            N/A           568,831
06th February 2010          2            139,889       -75.4%          708,720
13th February 2010          3               85,809       -38.7%         794,529
20th February 2010          4               48,231       -43.8%          842,760
27th February 2010          5               28,789        -40.3%         871,549

PS3  www.vgchartz.com/game/46825/mass-effect-2/USA/

Week Ending              Week             Weekly          Change          Total
22nd January 2011        1                 43,616            N/A              43,616
29th January 2011          2                 25,879         -40.7%         69,495
05th February 2011        3                 20,777          -19.7%         90,272
12th February 2011        4                 15,803          -23.9%       106,075
19th February 2011        5                 12,899          -18.4%       118,974

PC  www.vgchartz.com/game/28816/mass-effect-2/Global/

Week Ending               Week           Weekly           Change          Total
30th January 2010          1               36,691              N/A            36,691
06th February 2010         2              10,982            -70.1%        47,673
13th February 2010         3                4,639            -57.8%        52,312
20th February 2010         4                1,783            -61.6%         54,095
27th February 2010         5                 3,901           118.8%         57,996

Dragon Age: Origins XBox  www.vgchartz.com/game/33505/dragon-age-origins/USA/

Week Ending                   Week            Weekly          Change            Total
07th November 2009         1                206,945           N/A            206,945
14th November 2009          2               112,629          -45.6%       319,574
21st November 2009          3                 60,367          -46.4%       379,941
28th November 2009          4                 90,897           50.6%        470,838
05th December 2009          5                 65,149          -28.3%        535,987

PS3 www.vgchartz.com/game/33502/dragon-age-origins/USA/

Week Ending                     Week           Weekly          Change            Total
07th November 2009           1               96,034             N/A              96,034
14th November 2009           2               49,732          -48.2%        145,766
21st November 2009           3               36,395           -26.8%        182,161
28th November 2009           4               43,746            20.2%        225,907
05th December 2009           5               31,220           -28.6%        257,127

PC  www.vgchartz.com/game/33504/dragon-age-origins/Global/

Week Ending                    Week           Weekly           Change           Total
07th November 2009           1              45,101               N/A            45,101
14th November 2009           2               17,365          -61.5%          62,466
21st November 2009           3               14,741          -15.1%          77,207
28th November 2009           4                15,76             77.0%          92,974
05th December 2009           5               18,660           18.3%          111,634


*Edited to fix formatting... Sorry about that.

Modifié par LazarusMP, 24 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[Cannonarm758]

chmarr wrote...
this is what happens when an ENTIRE script gets fubared by just 2 ppl who wanted it to end in THERE vision and NOT in the ACTUAL vison intended

So far all we know is that could have been an employee but there is no proof that is the case.  It would be upsetting if it is but until we get hard evidence than we should try to stick to more factual claims.

Now about those dropping numbers, that is factual and that must be something that is upsetting, especially if they want the 3rd game to have a long reaching multiplayer impact.

It isn't surprising at all that the ending being as unaccepted as it was would make people play the other parts of the game or the several run throughs that people were anticipating.

BTW, incase you wanted the link, here is one of them referring to what chmarr is referencing.  (there are several links but this is the first one google gave me)

http://www.gamefront...lam-the-ending/ 

Also, BTW, I'm not trying to be argumentative.  Just pointing out your reference with more information for your line holders incase they didn't hear about this.

Modifié par Cannonarm758, 24 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[toffeetrooper]

just an idea but wasnt ashleys sister on the citadel

think she would not have been happy about that

[Luiginius]

Those numbers are harsh, sales for the third week will be minuscule.

[Seival]

Jere85 wrote...

I hope someone records the 1 hour event on PAX and puts it on youtube, unfortunately i cannot attend, living like an ocean away. Id love to hear what they have to say.

This.

...Also, I wanna look into their eyes.

[Debi-Tage]

LdyBelial wrote...

Good day everyone!!!

Ah -- I gathered as much as I could from this thread since I was here yesterday but it moves FAST!!!  I am sure I have missed stuff!!!

Working on my next update for my blog  -- looking for input from all/any of you.  

I believe the gaming sites talking about how our efforts are winding down, or that we've somehow won should be my primary focus.  

If there is any news on this:  http://www.razoo.com...ry/Full-Paragon  Happy to push it!!!  But I do want it verified as part of the Retake Movement beforehand. 

Any other issues you feel I should be looking closer at?  Let me know!!!

Thanks,
 Lan!

HOLD THE LINE!!!

I was hoping a new charitable cause would get supported by this wonderful group of people - I had a fleeting idea about crayola or something - but I was afraid the humor would be lost in this volatile situation!

Kudos!

[LethesDeep]

chmarr wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

I just looked at PAX scedule, and i see at 4.30pm BW has something for Mass effect, untill 5,30pm... so you are saying people only have a 1 hour window to say what they want to say? or am i missing something? Are there more times they are there for ME?
Please help me understand.

the BW panel WAS 2 hours but they know trouble is going to start so they removed there 1 hour Q and A section of the panel

If that's true, they still have trouble coming their way. We want answers, dammit! We want to know why they thought lying to us and why this ending were good ideas.

[chmarr]

uk sales figures of week !

Mass Effect 3 (X360) = 149,460

Mass Effect 3 (PS3) = 36,939

Mass Effect 3 (PC) = 18,424


uk sales figures week 2

Mass Effect 3 (X360) = 37,924

Mass Effect 3 (PS3) = 12,437

Mass Effect 3 (PC) = 3,607



these figures are like.................wow ouch

[silencemayday]

Seival wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

I hope someone records the 1 hour event on PAX and puts it on youtube, unfortunately i cannot attend, living like an ocean away. Id love to hear what they have to say.

This.

...Also, I wanna look into their eyes.

hell, i'd even pay for a live stream. 


also, thank you for clearing things up nitefyre410.. (i shouldn't have slept during those economic classes in ireland and am damn glad i grew up on the artistic side of the family :'D)

[Sacred Of the Grey Wardens]

chmarr wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

I just looked at PAX scedule, and i see at 4.30pm BW has something for Mass effect, untill 5,30pm... so you are saying people only have a 1 hour window to say what they want to say? or am i missing something? Are there more times they are there for ME?
Please help me understand.

the BW panel WAS 2 hours but they know trouble is going to start so they removed there 1 hour Q and A section of the panel

So there not going to be taking questions this year???Or are they gonna fit a few at the very end.

doens't give much time for anyone who does have a question.

[SkaldFish]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

 I don't know if this has been posted in this thread before and I apologize if it has, but I'm pretty sure I can be excused for not reading through 2300 pages of posts (holy crap 2300?! Damn). Shamus Young posted a deconstruction of the ending on his blog. It says many points others have brought up in a very good manner, explaining why the ending is so bad and why it ruins many parts of the entire franchise:

Check it Out here.

His commentary on the Crucible is pure gold:
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"Imagine that the first race, facing the Reaper threat and having no idea how to defeat them, sit down and design a trigger guard. And that’s it. Then they bury the plans for the trigger guard and they die. 50,000 years later, the next race is getting pulverized. Before they die, they find the plans for the trigger guard. They have no idea what it’s for or what it does, but they design a handle to go with it, add it to the plans, and re-bury them.

"And so it goes. 50,000 years. A safety mechanism. A rifled barrel. A magazine. A rear sight. The trigger. A front sight. A muzzle. An ejection port. Nobody knows what any of this does.

"Then Shepard & Co comes along. They follow the plans, which builds a Glock 17 pistol. Admiral Hackett points to the chamber. Something goes in there, but we don’t know what it is or what it does.

"Then you meet the Star Child, who just happens to be a 9mm bullet, which miraculously is a perfect fit for this pistol, even though the people who built it have no idea what a bullet is or what it does.

"Then the Star Child explains that the next step is to put the bullet in the chamber, aim the weapon at your foot, and pull the trigger. That’s how you 'win'."
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Perfect!

[Nephilim5]

chmarr wrote...

what you ALL dont reliase is that publishers DO NOT get the money for pre-owned games that are sold, that goes directly to the chain that is selling it.

No, I think most do realize it, actually.  That's part of the reason why the drop in sales is so shocking.

[Kyria Nyriese]

SkaldFish wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...

*snip

Check it Out here.

His commentary on the Crucible is pure gold:
-------------
"Imagine that the first race, facing the Reaper threat and having no idea how to defeat them, sit down and design a trigger guard. And that’s it. Then they bury the plans for the trigger guard and they die. 50,000 years later, the next race is getting pulverized. Before they die, they find the plans for the trigger guard. They have no idea what it’s for or what it does, but they design a handle to go with it, add it to the plans, and re-bury them.

"And so it goes. 50,000 years. A safety mechanism. A rifled barrel. A magazine. A rear sight. The trigger. A front sight. A muzzle. An ejection port. Nobody knows what any of this does.

"Then Shepard & Co comes along. They follow the plans, which builds a Glock 17 pistol. Admiral Hackett points to the chamber. Something goes in there, but we don’t know what it is or what it does.

"Then you meet the Star Child, who just happens to be a 9mm bullet, which miraculously is a perfect fit for this pistol, even though the people who built it have no idea what a bullet is or what it does.

"Then the Star Child explains that the next step is to put the bullet in the chamber, aim the weapon at your foot, and pull the trigger. That’s how you 'win'."
-------------
Perfect!

Absolutely hilarious... and a great analogy.

[soltenshi]

Considering the sales drop and no-trade-in from shops..
That is something bioware notices for sure. Much more sure than all our cries.
Gaming industry requires to act fast and vast if they even want to have hope to fix the problem.
It's not like "we will wait till april, take your time bioware". It's more like "think and work fast bioware, our patience and hope are not infinite".