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[Hobbyman]

As a quick reply, I will have to say that I will wait until PAX and see what, if and how, BioWare addresses the ending problem.

Unless they say something along the lines, "Yes, we recognize our mistake and we are already trying hard to fix it in a future DLC" , then I suspect this thread going as high as 10,000 pages.

[Cybermortis]

cyrrant wrote...

LazarusMP wrote...

ME3 Sales numbers from www.vgchartz.com/

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The numbers don't really mean anything without our ability to compare them.  Such a huge drop may seem precipitous, but remember that there's been a huge push for preorder sales, so it kind of makes sense that week 1 would be bloated.  Further research is required before a consensus is reached...

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

If you look at the Call of duty series, they show a 80-85% drop in sales in the second week of release on the Xbox. In fact this figure seems consistant for all AAA titles I've taken a glance at.

Interestingly RPG's seem to show less of a decline in the second week - Dragon Age Origins saw only a 47% (or so) drop in sales after its first week, and even Dragon Age 2 showed less than a 70% drop.

So the drop in ME3 sales appear to be roughly in line with what you'd expect from a AAA title, and more or less equal to ME2's figures. Now what the figures will show for the week after that is a different matter.

[Jere85]

Anyone here going to PAX? And by chance bringing a camera? *grins*, gieff on youtube.

[Rdubs]

I have all the sales figures graphed out for ME and DA for comparison, will post when I get home. It is normal in a sequel to have a big dropoff the second week, the third week is more telling.

[KaiserinKai]

TekMage wrote...

As a quick reply, I will have to say that I will wait until PAX and see what, if and how, BioWare addresses the ending problem.

Unless they say something along the lines, "Yes, we recognize our mistake and we are already trying hard to fix it in a future DLC" , then I suspect this thread going as high as 10,000 pages.

Or higher. People are not happy about this, it feels like Bioware is shooting themself in the foot...

[Phoenix NL]

Cybermortis wrote...

Little Miss Angel wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Its 4:40am and I woke up cause of a damn thought about the ME3 end. Here is food for thought; Bioware said ME3 would answer our questions, or more importantly, the end...but here is the thing, what if they consider an expansion PART of ME3? Hallucination, Indoc theory, whichever you choose...we all know ME3 seems a bit...short...when compared to the previous Mass Effect games. What if we haven't actually finished it yet?

Just thinking...maybe we just reacted faster than BioWare anticipated. Perhaps they thought they'd have enough time to release the rest. It would also explain why they are so adamant about keeping the end of the game the way it is.

The end still sucks and I want answers, but still, food for thought.
Now hopefully I can go to sleep and NOT think about the damn ending xD

Later guys'n'gals, enjoy yourselves.

But then that would mean they released us an incomplete game

I would've rather they delayed production than release us this on purpose.

This was more or less what the Forbes guys were speculating yesterday.

The gist of what they thought was that the original idea had been to release the 'full' ending of the game as a DLC (most likely a free one) after the game had been released world-wide. What they didn't expect was for their to be so much backlash, which made announcing that there was an ending DLC in the works problimatic.
Basically the idea was that the rumour about 'The Truth' DLC was in fact correct - although that was never brought up. Basically it was meant to be a PR/marketing stunt than badly backfired.

This WAS pure speculation on their part - and I will note that they have no better idea what Bioware has in mind than we do at this point. But they felt that this would make sense on several levels. They even gave a reasonable explination as to why Bioware wouldn't make any statements about such a DLC (if it existed) at this time.

The alternative is, of course, that Bioware has screwed things up so badly they have not so much dropped the ball. But Dropped it, kicked it into their own goal, stuck a spike through it and then for good measure driven a steam roller over it.

I would be more inclined for them to have done this. I refuse to believe that Bioware would be this awful on purpose. Maybe that's what they meant by the level of our reaction taking them completely by surprise?

[LdyBelial]

Cybermortis wrote...

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If you look at the Call of duty series, they show a 80-85% drop in sales in the second week of release on the Xbox. In fact this figure seems consistant for all AAA titles I've taken a glance at.

Interestingly RPG's seem to show less of a decline in the second week - Dragon Age Origins saw only a 47% (or so) drop in sales after its first week, and even Dragon Age 2 showed less than a 70% drop.

So the drop in ME3 sales appear to be roughly in line with what you'd expect from a AAA title, and more or less equal to ME2's figures. Now what the figures will show for the week after that is a different matter.

From looking at the numbers myself there seems to be a rise in the fourth week for nearly every one of the examples given except ME2 that happened in the fifth week instead.  I wonder why? 

[LdyBelial]

Rdubs wrote...

I have all the sales figures graphed out for ME and DA for comparison, will post when I get home. It is normal in a sequel to have a big dropoff the second week, the third week is more telling.

Please send me a direct link to your post on your results, I am very interested to see what you come up with!

Thanks!

Lan

[Phoenix NL]

Jere85 wrote...

Anyone here going to PAX? And by chance bringing a camera? *grins*, gieff on youtube.

I would love to be at PAX this year - I can't wait to hear what Bioware have to say and also because I love Boston but I'm going to be stuck in the UK unfortunately.

[LazarusMP]

LdyBelial wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

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If you look at the Call of duty series, they show a 80-85% drop in sales in the second week of release on the Xbox. In fact this figure seems consistant for all AAA titles I've taken a glance at.

Interestingly RPG's seem to show less of a decline in the second week - Dragon Age Origins saw only a 47% (or so) drop in sales after its first week, and even Dragon Age 2 showed less than a 70% drop.

So the drop in ME3 sales appear to be roughly in line with what you'd expect from a AAA title, and more or less equal to ME2's figures. Now what the figures will show for the week after that is a different matter.

From looking at the numbers myself there seems to be a rise in the fourth week for nearly every one of the examples given except ME2 that happened in the fifth week instead.  I wonder why? 

I would assume good word-of-mouth advertising.

[Iucounou]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

This was more or less what the Forbes guys were speculating yesterday.

I was certain they had screwed up...but after re-evaluating the situation and looking back on everything we were told...or they tried to tell us...it adds up. And this means the media is watching BioWare. So if they do release the ending at PAX, then we've just given them a huge amount of free advertising.

I think I just got outsmarted by BioWare...not impressed.

I've thought this all along. If it was a marketing stunt, it hasn't done them any favours in the long run. Every new release from them is going to be treated with suspicion. There's always going to be someone at seminars and the like who will put up a hand and ask the question:

"Now, you have put an ending on this game, haven't you?"

[Zaizer]

Wow.
Pardon my bluntness, but they dun goofed.

[-PG-Skyre]

TekMage wrote...

As a quick reply, I will have to say that I will wait until PAX and see what, if and how, BioWare addresses the ending problem.

Unless they say something along the lines, "Yes, we recognize our mistake and we are already trying hard to fix it in a future DLC" , then I suspect this thread going as high as 10,000 pages.

Even before Retake and all the drama, they were saying to keep your saves, that something big was coming and that if we knew, we'd feel differently about everything....

I think we just gave Mass Effect free advertisment. The media is following them now, so the results in PAX (if good) will undo all damage we did, as more people would purchase...and others would have to repurchase...And they could easily say that they warned us as much as possible, because they did try

I really do not like being used and outsmarted like that

[LdyBelial]

LazarusMP wrote...

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I would assume good word-of-mouth advertising.

Yes, that would be a fair assumption. 

Lan

[-PG-Skyre]

Iucounou wrote...

I've thought this all along. If it was a marketing stunt, it hasn't done them any favours in the long run. Every new release from them is going to be treated with suspicion. There's always going to be someone at seminars and the like who will put up a hand and ask the question:

"Now, you have put an ending on this game, haven't you?"

Ah, but they'd always be remembered and people would pay special attention to their games. It might be a negative basis for it, but it still works in their favour in the end. People will be more inclined to see what happenes with Bioware games in terms of their releases afterwards as well.

[LdyBelial]

-PG-Skyre wrote...
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I really do not like being used and outsmarted like that

I won't care.  If this is some kind of stunt?  And there really is more to the end than what we've been given?  And it isn't just "clarification" of the current ending?  At least I would have a chance at replaying ME3 at this point -- which is more than I have right now. 

Heck!  I might do a run through all the games in the series... just in case it is my last time!!!

[RussianOrc]

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/
This, so much this!

[Geinen]

Iucounou wrote...

I've thought this all along. If it was a marketing stunt, it hasn't done them any favours in the long run. Every new release from them is going to be treated with suspicion. There's always going to be someone at seminars and the like who will put up a hand and ask the question:

"Now, you have put an ending on this game, haven't you?"

Haha no kidding.  If this was a stunt, it backfired.  Its funny, I think of how they could have fixed this mess, and to me its unbelievably simple.

"Hold onto your saves.   *wink* "  Give SOME indication that it may have been intended. 

Because fans love feeling clever and like they figured something out.  If fans saw this wink from Bioware at the beginning, it really WOULD have been speculation for everyone....not just anger.

Modifié par Geinen, 24 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[KLGChaos]

fade2black2610 wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Indoc theory guys, a thought for you...Say Shepard was knocked out, what if your team drags you back to the Normandy and you're on it when it crashes on that planet?...

Verrrrrrrrry interesting. Could be an idea.

Wouldn't work with the Shepard lives ending. He's buried in rubble somewhere, most likely on Earth, and he wakes up AFTER Joker runs like a little girl with the rest of the crew, abandoning you.

[Iucounou]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

I really do not like being used and outsmarted like that

No. And it's the reason I won't be getting another copy of the game if it proves true. I'll happily watch it on youtube. But Bioware, if they have done this, have lost my custom pretty much forever.

[Hobbyman]

@KaiserinKai

Indeed. If all this is "just" bad writing (note the quotes) then I can only feel sorry for them and compare them with Decipher Inc. who had the absolute best TCG ever made (LOTR TCG) and managed to destroy it by themselves and go bankrupt in the process.

@-PG-Skyre

I agree with your assessment and it is something that still is in the back of my head as a very serious option. I have noted on another thread that BioWare tried a similar technique, on a much smaller scale, by revealing Shepard's death in the start of ME2 before launching the game. This might be just a more elaborate situation that badly backfired, and rightly so.

[-PG-Skyre]

LdyBelial wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...
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I really do not like being used and outsmarted like that

I won't care.  If this is some kind of stunt?  And there really is more to the end than what we've been given?  And it isn't just "clarification" of the current ending?  At least I would have a chance at replaying ME3 at this point -- which is more than I have right now. 

Heck!  I might do a run through all the games in the series... just in case it is my last time!!!

Wells if it is a stunt, it would also explain why they always remove any and all posts related to the ending. And why they never want to alter what they have already.

As for being outsmarted, I like to be on the ball. My anger at BioWare over this might have clouded my judgment a bit and made me not pay attention to what was right in front of us.

Still, if it ends out being the stund it seems...well played. At least we may get to see if there is more space magic involved...

[Phoenix NL]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

This was more or less what the Forbes guys were speculating yesterday.

I was certain they had screwed up...but after re-evaluating the situation and looking back on everything we were told...or they tried to tell us...it adds up. And this means the media is watching BioWare. So if they do release the ending at PAX, then we've just given them a huge amount of free advertising.

I think I just got outsmarted by BioWare...not impressed.

To be honest if this was all part of the plan and it turns out we've been upset over nothing and they come out with the most epic amazing ending ever I won't care that I was outsmarted by Bioware. In fact I will be happy for them that they got all this press because if it is as epic as we all expected and want it to be they deserve the recognition. However at the moment we have no way of knowing that this was the plan. We can only hope!

[Phoenix NL]

Also, if this is the case look at it this way - they've been able to make tweeks to it based on all of our feedback. This is thinking VERY positively though......

[LdyBelial]

Full Paragon is the new charity -- confirmation is on HTL!