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[Darth Taurus]

A little fun

www.youtube.com/watch

Love Machinima!

[CDHarrisUSF]

Cybermortis wrote...

It is a little known fact, but Queen Elizabeth can kick some serious butt.

... reminds me of something Eddie Izzard said about the national anthem.

[Aeyl]

Hey guys, everything is still going well?

I think this
http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

deserves to be read over and over again.

[toffeetrooper]

Darth Taurus wrote...

A little fun

www.youtube.com/watch

Love Machinima!

pmsl

[DaddyFoxDerek]

RussianOrc wrote...

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/
This deserves a BUMP.

Just read through this article, and it was a fantastic read. Thanks for the bump.

[VonVerrikan]

SavageLycan wrote...

Still Holding the Line here, and I'm not stopping anytime soon.

Atta boy. And don't you ever give up, either :happy:

[WvStolzing]

toffeetrooper wrote...
SO WHAT I'M GETTING FROM THIS IS THAT THE GAMEPLAY OF SHEPARD BEING INDOCTRINATED WAS SCRAPPED. NOT THE IDEA OR PLOTPOINT OF IT.

Actually this is the basis of the latest theory as to why the ending wound up like that.

They planned something along the lines of the 'indoctrination theory' for the ending, but they had to leave it truncated in order to meet the deadline.

So the result is the train wreck that we have: A bizarre sequence that was perhaps going to lead to something else.

[toffeetrooper]

WvStolzing wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...
SO WHAT I'M GETTING FROM THIS IS THAT THE GAMEPLAY OF SHEPARD BEING INDOCTRINATED WAS SCRAPPED. NOT THE IDEA OR PLOTPOINT OF IT.

Actually this is the basis of the latest theory as to why the ending wound up like that.

They planned something along the lines of the 'indoctrination theory' for the ending, but they had to leave it truncated in order to meet the deadline.

So the result is the train wreck that we have: A bizarre sequence that was perhaps going to lead to something else.

it might help them along then as a lot of the work would have been done

[Garlador]

Like millions of fans, the reason I'm upset is because 99% of the franchise was SO good. It was one of the most well-written, meaningful narratives in decades, regardless of being in a video game, and it was all clear, concise, purposeful, clever, emotional, and expertly crafted.

Until those final 10 minutes. I refuse to believe that the same people who gave us such richly-woven stories and character development could've botched an ending SO badly so willingly. There has to be something else at play here; executive meddling, business incompetence, rushed deadlines or money to be gained ("buy the REAL ending").

As it stands, we have an ending so inhumanely bad that it destroys not just the entire journey we've experienced in that game, but retroactively nullifies the PRIOR two games, erasing the meaning and purpose and fulfillment of those adventures. One would think they'd actually have to TRY to destroy so much goodwill and success, but they did it. They took everything we've grown to love, every tough decision, every meaningful quest, every difficult battle, every victory over the odds, every friendship we made, every enemy we've clashed with, every love we've discovered, every happiness and despair we've reaped, and nuked all of that to cinder and ash.

And the last words we'll ever read are "buy more downloadable content".

It hurts.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Garlador wrote...

Like millions of fans, the reason I'm upset is because 99% of the franchise was SO good. It was one of the most well-written, meaningful narratives in decades, regardless of being in a video game, and it was all clear, concise, purposeful, clever, emotional, and expertly crafted.

Until those final 10 minutes. I refuse to believe that the same people who gave us such richly-woven stories and character development could've botched an ending SO badly so willingly. There has to be something else at play here; executive meddling, business incompetence, rushed deadlines or money to be gained ("buy the REAL ending").

As it stands, we have an ending so inhumanely bad that it destroys not just the entire journey we've experienced in that game, but retroactively nullifies the PRIOR two games, erasing the meaning and purpose and fulfillment of those adventures. One would think they'd actually have to TRY to destroy so much goodwill and success, but they did it. They took everything we've grown to love, every tough decision, every meaningful quest, every difficult battle, every victory over the odds, every friendship we made, every enemy we've clashed with, every love we've discovered, every happiness and despair we've reaped, and nuked all of that to cinder and ash.

And the last words we'll ever read are "buy more downloadable content".

It hurts.

This is the video to sum up that statement....

[Bionic Weapon]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

*snip

Know what's worse? Even after you give a detailed explanation as to why you don't like the endings and point out the various plot holes and they still say you don't understand it, when you ask them what did they like about the endings and to explain how they make sense, they give the same "you won't understand" or "just dont get it" answer... soooo in other words you don't have explanation because you can explain it.

I have yet to see someone who likes the ending defend it and explain it to me. no one has done that yet. Makes you think doesn't it? Unless you can actually prove answers then you have no reason to jump down other peoples throats when they actually do. 


Its absolutely insane.

They have caugh the circular logic bug that seems to be going around Bioware right now.

Well it's high time for some Medicine to cure these ills. Because everyone else it seems is immune.

[toffeetrooper]

Garlador wrote...

Like millions of fans, the reason I'm upset is because 99% of the franchise was SO good. It was one of the most well-written, meaningful narratives in decades, regardless of being in a video game, and it was all clear, concise, purposeful, clever, emotional, and expertly crafted.

Until those final 10 minutes. I refuse to believe that the same people who gave us such richly-woven stories and character development could've botched an ending SO badly so willingly. There has to be something else at play here; executive meddling, business incompetence, rushed deadlines or money to be gained ("buy the REAL ending").

As it stands, we have an ending so inhumanely bad that it destroys not just the entire journey we've experienced in that game, but retroactively nullifies the PRIOR two games, erasing the meaning and purpose and fulfillment of those adventures. One would think they'd actually have to TRY to destroy so much goodwill and success, but they did it. They took everything we've grown to love, every tough decision, every meaningful quest, every difficult battle, every victory over the odds, every friendship we made, every enemy we've clashed with, every love we've discovered, every happiness and despair we've reaped, and nuked all of that to cinder and ash.

And the last words we'll ever read are "buy more downloadable content".

It hurts.

^this very much well said

[onyx0218]

DJBare wrote...

I'm still here, what do you mean "oh no!"


Find below some important links you may want to follow.

Alternative forum(if required) courtesy of Cybermortis

Polls
Since we're getting paid DLC, is it enough for Bioware to just "clarify"?
Poll About Your reaction on Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement on 21st March 2012
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC
[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?

Provide Bioware with your feedback
Leave your feedback on Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement from 21st March 2012
Official ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread

Bioware's Promises pre-game release and their PR response analysed
Mass Effect 3 debacle - Pre-release developer quotes
EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***

Retake Mass Effect Movement Resources
Retake Mass Effect Banner Templates
Mission Statement Thread
Mass Effect 3 Resource Site with collection of statements and reports
Retake Mass Effect 3 Statistics

Retake Mass Effect Movement
Retake Mass Effect Group on BSN ***Please Join***
Retake Mass Effect on Facebook
Retake Mass Effect on Youtube

Retake Mass Effect on Twitter
@RetakeME3

Latest News
Forbes, Commander Shepard Actor Mark Meer Weighs In On Mass Effect 3 Ending And DLC
Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement on 21st March 2012
***Attention*** Mass Effect Survey Scam
Forbes, New Ending Setting Precedence?
GotGame, The customer is always right.
NY Daily News about Retake Mass Effect
The Telegraph in UK reporting about our movement
Forbes on indoctrination theory
Forbes reports on Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement
CVG, Mass Effect 3: 86% think BioWare blew the ending
BBC news technology section
Forbes, Why Child's Play Stopped Taking Donations From Retake Mass Effect
Forbes, Further Thoughts on Mass Effect 3's Ending and Future DLC


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Hold the line!

Thank you for that, makes it easier for me to find all the sites.

[Aviditie]

I want to say something directly to Bioware. And I do not mean any disrespect by this.

This ending is not worth saving for "artistic integrity." Even people who are defending you (i.e. Mostly critics) are not saying "Holy crap! What an amazing/mind blowing/revolutionary ending!" they are defending your right to end it the way you see fit (which you, of course, have.). People who "liked" the ending are saying "It was okay/fine." and those people, for the most part, aren't going to care what you do with the ending.

Some are polling or tagging that they won't respect you if you change your ending due to fan pressure. Havent you heard the same thing about making a MP portion or chaging it from RPG (as in you have to level up your gunning ability for them to be effective) to straight up shooter? You have done that anyway - nobody levels up their rifle/pistol/shotgun anymore, just the gun itself - in order to cater to the third person shooter fans.

Still there aren't any polls suggesting the ending was groundbreaking (because it wasn't) or that it belongs to annals of the best endings in history. I've seen critics defend the ending by calling the whole game the ending and then defending the game. (We aren't asking for a replacement game.) I still haven't seen anybody defend the actual ending of this game. There is a reason for that. Nobody can come up with a defense of the ending. And I don't just mean the fact that it doesn't make sense, so it explain it to death for us.

I know this is all a personal opinion because I don't include links to back me up, but I've been following this very closely. And I've been searching google for ending defenses too. Your rights are defended. The game as a whole is defended. The ending is not. It's not worth saving, in my opinion. I'm sure your director disagrees. But please ask him to look up ending defenses and carefully read what people are defending.

We aren't trying to make life miserable for him. Or the team as a whole. We just want the end this trilogy deserves. We are fighting for what we believe to be the artistic integrity of this trilogy.

[toffeetrooper]

Mattroy wrote...

If the indoctrination ending was planned all along as a post release DLC, I think its going to leave everyone looking like idiots. The people who hate the current ending are going to end up buying it and the people who like the ending are going to have to admit to defending BioWare when they in fact show that this was never about artistic integrity and all about business. Everyone loses but BioWare.

if i have to buy it bioware will never get another penny out of me

we shouldnt have to pay for there social experiments( IF its true)

[MeldarthX]

toffeetrooper wrote...












  TheGOODKyle on you tube




UPDATE: I'm sure some of you downloaded an app called ME3: Final Hours which explained some last minute details about the game and its creators. Some of you have been saying that what was said in it disproves the Indoctrination theory. Well this is the passage at which you think it "disproves" the theory.

"And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the GAMEPLAY MECHANIC proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices)"

SO WHAT I'M GETTING FROM THIS IS THAT THE GAMEPLAY OF SHEPARD BEING INDOCTRINATED WAS SCRAPPED. NOT THE IDEA OR PLOTPOINT OF IT.

Meh the final hour is meh at best - most of the info is 6+ months old - second - if  the indoctrination is actually true what better way to really fook with people is to put something out saying well we played with it; we put most of it in but at the last moment decided not to do it........but we left what we did in.......

Come on ........ if that actually happened; ME3 turns into worst conceved game ever.......because none of it makes sense at all.......


HOLD THE LINE

[Nicky 192]

I apologise if any one has posted this before. This guy has some good ideas on what the ending should have been and also on how it still could be fixed >>

[Aviditie]

Mattroy - I'd be so relieved at the indoctrination ending being the real one, I'd forgive all and think it was pretty funny after the shock wore off.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Aviditie wrote...

Mattroy - I'd be so relieved at the indoctrination ending being the real one, I'd forgive all and think it was pretty funny after the shock wore off.

Most of us are still at the bargaining stage

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 24 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[MeldarthX]

Mattroy wrote...

If the indoctrination ending was planned all along as a post release DLC, I think its going to leave everyone looking like idiots. The people who hate the current ending are going to end up buying it and the people who like the ending are going to have to admit to defending BioWare when they in fact show that this was never about artistic integrity and all about business. Everyone loses but BioWare.

For it to work - and BW to come out actually smelling well best way to describe it is.....it would have to be free - because anything else.........would sink them with their core fans - that's who pre ordered and bought day one DLC.......

[TheSimbul]

Regarding PAX...I have little hope for some detailed explanations as to what is going to happen moving forwards. I think we might get more vague stuff, perhaps openly linking it to the ending situation. Will probably defend the game's awesomeness to the death (and why not, the game is pretty EPIC. But...BUT!) and probably cut down on Q&A. Obviously if the press is allowed to ask anything this issue and the Retake ME3 movement will come up, and I think they will have carefully tailored answers to avoid insulting us directly, the usual "We care about our customers, we're very sad they are unhappy, stand by our product, will try to solve the situation, but can't be expected to change the game itself...bla bla bla".

I wonder what they are doing at this point. Knowing so little about the actual work that goes into making a game, and how revenues are affected by this situation (if at all), how EA is taking it, what the original intentions were (was this a pre-planned thing?) it's hard to tell. But Bioware has put itself between a rock and a hard place in terms of what to do next.

Those who want to keep the game as it is (and honestly, with absolutely NO disrespect, it baffles me how anyone could. I honestly do not comprehend how anyone could look at the endings and be satisfied. Not care? Sure. Actually like it?...Ok too, I guess) will be pissed if they change it. Now, the idea to ADD extra endings is, in my opinion, the best option to appease everyone. And since we are done with this universe+characters it shouldn't really matter. You wanna move forward with the changes? Get the DLC. You don't? Ge the other DLC's and pass on this one. Now arguing that that would change their vision is kinda BS. Let's not forget the "Arrival" DLC. For those who chose not to play it, it makes little sense that Shepard would be on Earth, under house arrest and demoted. They didn't do anything! However the fact that this was a possibility within the game affects EVERY single player, because we all start off at the same point in ME3. Since this latest installment is also the last (at least involving Shepard) it matters little if we introduce different endings. In whatever comes next, Shepard will be a legend. They have no need to mention if he/she lived or died or what have you. In fact, the game could be programmed to detect old saves and produce one of a few different dialogue options depending on what our choice was in the last few moments of the game. Having MORE options doesn't take away from the gamer's experience in any way.

Finally they can go with the cut scenes + post it "explanations" of what we saw and leave it at that. No Shepard lives option, no Reapers kill everyone. Just the same SINGLE (yes, I went there) ending and it's pretty color palate. This, in my humble opinion, would be a massive mistake because no one in this movement would be ok with the solution, and Bioware's attempt at fixing the problem would basically be mute. However there might be reasons beyond my understanding of the situation that will force them into this "fix".

Whatever the case I think we are experiencing something new but by no means a one time occurrence. We live in a world of mass media and communication, and where disgruntled clients had little power or ability to make their voice be heard before, the internet and all the social media institutions have changed that forever. The fact that our discontent is having an effect is merely a reflection of the times. Companies will have to learn, one way or another, that they won't be able to "get away" with things as they did before. Feedback is real, it's fast, it's massive. They must prepare themselves to deal with it. And I don't mean Bioware or EA, or any other gaming company in particular. I mean ALL of them. Critics exist for a reason, but increasingly people share info between themselves, and intermediaries(I'm looking at you IGN) are not that necessary anymore. People have their own opinions and now have a place to get together and share them. We do not need to be told what to think of movies or games, we can just ask a million different people and make up our own minds.

Welcome to the future baby!


Ok...that came out a little longer than expected. Sorry, no Saturday night plans and I'm bored hehehe!

Editted because apparently I can't spell...

Modifié par TheSimbul, 24 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[XIzCarnageXIXZ]

well just finished me3 on the hardest difficulty on my second playthrough........ don't know why i even bothered god that ending is soooo bad

[Cybermortis]

Aviditie wrote...

I want to say something directly to Bioware. And I do not mean any disrespect by this.

This ending is not worth saving for "artistic integrity." Even people who are defending you (i.e. Mostly critics) are not saying "Holy crap! What an amazing/mind blowing/revolutionary ending!" they are defending your right to end it the way you see fit (which you, of course, have.). People who "liked" the ending are saying "It was okay/fine." and those people, for the most part, aren't going to care what you do with the ending.

Some are polling or tagging that they won't respect you if you change your ending due to fan pressure. Havent you heard the same thing about making a MP portion or chaging it from RPG (as in you have to level up your gunning ability for them to be effective) to straight up shooter? You have done that anyway - nobody levels up their rifle/pistol/shotgun anymore, just the gun itself - in order to cater to the third person shooter fans.

Still there aren't any polls suggesting the ending was groundbreaking (because it wasn't) or that it belongs to annals of the best endings in history. I've seen critics defend the ending by calling the whole game the ending and then defending the game. (We aren't asking for a replacement game.) I still haven't seen anybody defend the actual ending of this game. There is a reason for that. Nobody can come up with a defense of the ending. And I don't just mean the fact that it doesn't make sense, so it explain it to death for us.

I know this is all a personal opinion because I don't include links to back me up, but I've been following this very closely. And I've been searching google for ending defenses too. Your rights are defended. The game as a whole is defended. The ending is not. It's not worth saving, in my opinion. I'm sure your director disagrees. But please ask him to look up ending defenses and carefully read what people are defending.

We aren't trying to make life miserable for him. Or the team as a whole. We just want the end this trilogy deserves. We are fighting for what we believe to be the artistic integrity of this trilogy.

Nods.

Another way of putting it is this. Is denting ego of those who wrote the ending worth more or less than the future of Bioware itself?

I made fun of this earlier, with the 'news from the future' stuff. But the fact is that Bioware is looking at the near total destruction of its reputation and core customer base...and the REALLY depressing thing is that I predicted that a year ago with Dragon Age II. I said back then that Mass Effect 3 would be the last chance for Bioware to prove that it was still capable of producing good quality games with solid storylines. I said that if ME3 didn't live up to the hype and expectations Bioware, as a company, would effectively be finished. Oh, it will lurch on for another year or two...but sales will be in the toilet as people look to other companies - and with companies like CDproject appearing and providing not just great games but superb customer feedback by anyone's standards it will not be long before someone takes up the mantle Bioware once held.

Right now Bioware stands on the abyss. If they leave the game in this condition, or try to 'explain' the ending away they will be out of business.