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[SkaldFish]

WvStolzing wrote...

Aviditie wrote...
I just kinda burst into a ball of tears unable to speak until I got out "it's just mass effect." he couldnt believe it had made me this depressed. How, after all, could my fav video game ever have ended in a way that made me this despondent than depressed than despondent... It was really pretty pathetic, I guess. He couldn't imagine what they could possibly have done until he finished it.

It's not pathetic at all. Sometimes something trivial just tips you over into an emotional outburst.

People can enter a crying fit 'because' they couldn't open a jar, or something similarly trivial. Of course, that trivial thing isn't 'causing' that response, it's rather a matter of 'occasioning'.

That infamous 'ending' is especially prone to make one think: "This is supposed to be a fantasy world; I'm not supposed to be unconditionally frustrated here. Am I condemned to be frustrated like that----even in this fantasy world?", and so on. And one jumps from that kind of thought to thoughts about 'real world frustrations', e.g. "I'm condemned to be frustrated in anything that I try; and this reminds me: I'll never master [enter real-life pursuit that's very important to you]."

.......yeah, see that BioWare, you were supposed to provide people with light entertainment. Duh.... <_<

Wow - very insightful!

[VivaLaWhatsername]

WvStolzing wrote...
It's not pathetic at all. Sometimes something trivial just tips you over into an emotional outburst.

People can enter a crying fit 'because' they couldn't open a jar, or something similarly trivial. Of course, that trivial thing isn't 'causing' that response, it's rather a matter of 'occasioning'.

That infamous 'ending' is especially prone to make one think: "This is supposed to be a fantasy world; I'm not supposed to be unconditionally frustrated here. Am I condemned to be frustrated like that----even in this fantasy world?", and so on. And one jumps from that kind of thought to thoughts about 'real world frustrations', e.g. "I'm condemned to be frustrated in anything that I try; and this reminds me: I'll never master [enter real-life pursuit that's very important to you]."

.......yeah, see that BioWare, you were supposed to provide people with light entertainment. Duh.... <_<

I actually had depression last year, and as many of you may know depression never truly goes away and as long as you do the right things you can stop it from coming back to get you. Well I was excited (like really really excited) for ME3, I had a great time playing, I cried at the sad bits and laughed at the funny bits, I even smiled at some of sweet moments with my LI (Kaidan) and that's all fine, it's the way it's meant to be to make it a good story and then I got to the ending, at first I was confused and then I was in tears (mainly at first because my Shepard died) and then I actually starting thinking about the whole thing and I was distraght, the depression hit me like a brick, only by talking to you guys on here have I managed to get passed being depressed and move onto simply being angry. I couldn't believe how much the game brought back some of the feelings I had when I had depression. My point is just that I agree with this post, sometimes things seemingly unimportant can actually get you in tears.
All I can really think now is:
Great job Bioware, if your intentions were to make your customers and fans depressed you nailed it! 

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[bowery tuff]

As I've said before this reminds me so much of Lost. The only difference is that I had the entire sixth season to sort of say, "Uh oh. This might not turn out so good." And when they were explaining the power of the island with only a few episodes to go as, "So there's this light in a cave. People want it. If it gets out we're screwed. That's why this island needs to be protected ...":mellow:

The problem here is that Mass Effect 3's horrible ending came with little warning. I'd heard the rumors but figured while I was playing it that there was no way the end could be that bad. And then cut to credits and the loud exclamation, "YOU GOTTA BE ****ING KIDDING ME!"

Another big difference is that with Lost I was obviously always an observer. In Mass Effect I played an active role in the story until my part in the saga was sidelined. Why am I comparing the two at all? Probably because this game had a freaking Lost ending. Ugh. Sometimes I think I need to hang up my press credentials and start giving fiction another try.

[VonVerrikan]

It's not just the ladies who were driven to tears, folks. I myself found it impossible not to cry and continue into a very depressed state after the conclusion here. I'm proud enough in myself to admit it, too. Masculinity be dammed.

I care about these characters, this world and this universe. The turians are most important to me, as are the citadel residents and everyone I've met on this 5 year journey. The endings simply crush every relationship I've ever had, every positive feeling I've had after meeting someone, and leave me feeling hollow and dead.

The game brutally destroys you by games end. The ending shoves it's view down your throat and tells you "You can't win, no matter how hard you try" and kills everything you've ever loved.

There is no silver lining. There is no positive ray of sunshine. There is simply death, destruction and loss. To say we should be happy in simply stopping the reapers is to ignore every piece of emotional investment I've had in this franchise. I don't care about the next cycle, I care about THIS cycle! Forcing me into a no win situation is ridiculous.

This game ends like the Kobayashi Maru. Bioware? Just so you know? I don't believe in the no-win scenario. Nobody here does.

Fix it.

[Ihatebadgames]

hardermob5 wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

Just want to say: I am so so bored, why did Bioware have to screw up the ending to a game I would be playing over and over again. Now I just sit, being bored scrolling through this thread since not only did ME3's ending ruin my Mass Effect experience it also took away my wanting to play any game at all

^this

^ agreed   ... I tried to play a little Shogun 2, but just couldn't stop thinking about ME 3's ending.

I found I could play Skyrim..BUT I was playing really evil! I never go through a town just killing people,this time WOW.

[bowery tuff]

@VonVerrikan

You bring up a good point with the Kobayashi Maru. Captain Kirk wouldn't stand for this crap. Why should I believe Commander Shepard would? Kirk would listen to Starchild and then say something so unbelievably awesome, the kid's head would explode despite that he's not flesh and blood. Then Kirk would likely spend the rest of his life on Thessia to help rebuild and to enjoy the native population.

[chmarr]

[quote]Ihatebadgames wrote...
... I tried to play a little Shogun 2, but just couldn't stop thinking about ME 3's ending.[/quote]
I found I could play Skyrim..BUT I was playing really evil! I never go through a town just killing people,this time WOW.[/quote]


i just stormed through a town killing everything singing "whistles while you work" then rape a dragon

[KLGChaos]

You know, I just had a vision of Mass Effect 3 with an all Elcor cast:

Shepard: With determination, I need to stop the Reapers. Do you know how I can do that?

Child: With joyous mockery, Perhaps. I control the Reapers. They are my solution.... Dawg.

Shepard: With feigned interest: Solution? To what?

Child: With certain finality: Chaos.

Child: With unbridled stupidity: The created will always rebel against their creators.

Child: With idiotic certainty: But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle.

Shepard: With incredulity: By wiping out organic life?

Child: With fortuitous moronicism: No. We harvest advanced civilizations, leaving the younger ones alone. Plainly, Just as we left your people alive the last time we were here.

Shepard: With annoyed exasperation, But you killed the rest…

Child: To clarify and leave you more confused: We helped them ascend so they could make way for new life, storing the old life in Reaper form.

Shepard: Protecting my man parts, I think we’d rather keep our own form.

Child: With moronic desperation: No, you cannnot... With inane, backwater, ridiculously circular logic that only a truly mentally handicapped individual who sniffed too much glue as a child would believe: Without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics. We’ve created this cycle so that never happens. That is the solution.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 25 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[allyon]

Okay. I was watching the updated indoc. theory video when I had a random thought. Someone plz correct me if I'm wrong. So the scripted was leaked in mid June last year right with the endings we got in it. Right?. So that IOS app launched said the ending was thought up in late Nov. or Dec. right? I kinda remember something about this in the leaked scripted months before the info for the app was ever taken. So if that is the case the IOS app is wrong/lying.Thoughts.....?

[Computim]

bowery tuff wrote...

@VonVerrikan

You bring up a good point with the Kobayashi Maru. Captain Kirk wouldn't stand for this crap. Why should I believe Commander Shepard would? Kirk would listen to Starchild and then say something so unbelievably awesome, the kid's head would explode despite that he's not flesh and blood. Then Kirk would likely spend the rest of his life on Thessia to help rebuild and to enjoy the native population.

I'm sure, if Bioware screws up their second chance on this, some modder will take it on to be the Captain Kirk and give us exploding Citadel Kid... and probably an ending we could all be proud of haha.

Personally I don't think Bioware will let this slip through their fingers.  Their reputation is at stake now.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

KLGChaos wrote...

You know, I just had a vision of Mass Effect 3 with an all Elcor fast:

Shepard: With determination, I need to stop the Reapers. Do you know how I can do that?

Child: With joyous mockery, Perhaps. I control the Reapers. They are my solution.... Dawg.

Shepard: With feigned interest: Solution? To what?

Child: With certain finality: Chaos.

Child: With unbridled stupidity: The created will always rebel against their creators.

Child: With idiotic certainty: But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle.

Shepard: With incredulity: By wiping out organic life?

Child: With fortuitous moronicism: No. We harvest advanced civilizations, leaving the younger ones alone. Plainly, Just as we left your people alive the last time we were here.

Shepard: With annoyed exasperation, But you killed the rest…

Child: To clarify and leave you more confused: We helped them ascend so they could make way for new life, storing the old life in Reaper form.

Shepard: Protecting my man parts, I think we’d rather keep our own form.

Child: With moronic desperation: No, you cannnot... With inane, backwater, ridiculously circular logic that only a truly mentally handicapped individual who sniffed too much glue as a child would believe: Without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics. We’ve created this cycle so that never happens. That is the solution.

Omg that is brilliant it made me laugh 

[kkr]

As a faithful fan to bioware, and as a person who believes in the fact that mistakes and oversights are almost unavoidable on projects the scale of mass effect 3, I feel that it is crucial that i stand on both sides of the field with both the developers on one side and the fans on the other. (1) On the first side (the developers), I feel that it is in the end the developers who have the last words in the making of their creation, and that the fans should have respectfully and kindly requested additional endings instead of trying to violate a companies as well as individual free will by demanding ,with little to no respect at the behest of the fans for such a outstanding game series, they create new endings.(2) On the other side (the fans), I believe that the mass effect franchise is not a simple collaboration of games, but an individual experience for each and every gamer. For this reason, I believe that the fans are not as outraged as they seem, but confused, saddened, and believe it or not heartsick that the endings were what they were, very identical and spotted with uncertainty. The fans would love descent closure to multiple oversights in many different ways, whether it be to only correct the issue of the plot holes, insure more hope, or for those who are inclined to be stubborn and a little unrealistic (myself included) wanted an ending that had Shepard and his/her friends( including love interest) survive, go to a bar, get treated like the heroes they are and get blind drunk because of their victory over the reapers. I speak for all the fans, who will allow me to speak for them, when I say that as the fans who still respect the staff of bioware we ask bioware with all possible kindness of them to consider the idea of refined endings. Even if this ideology is not considered, I KeAaron Roberts would like to thank any bioware staff member and fan for reading the perspectives of just one simple Mass Effect fan.

[DJBare]

I never had any tears, anger or any other emotion when the credits rolled, I just felt numb, I could not grieve for my squad mates because either they were MIA or running like cowards to another planet, my Li stepped off the normandy smiling, she obviously did not give a crap where Shepard was, so it went like this.
1.Epic battle to reach the conduit
2.Huh?
3.Go to bed.

[SkaldFish]

bowery tuff wrote...

@VonVerrikan

You bring up a good point with the Kobayashi Maru. Captain Kirk wouldn't stand for this crap. Why should I believe Commander Shepard would? Kirk would listen to Starchild and then say something so unbelievably awesome, the kid's head would explode despite that he's not flesh and blood. Then Kirk would likely spend the rest of his life on Thessia to help rebuild and to enjoy the native population.

Yes, his head would explode:

Modifié par SkaldFish, 25 mars 2012 - 03:36 .

[Welsh Inferno]

DJBare wrote...

I never had any tears, anger or any other emotion when the credits rolled, I just felt numb, I could not grieve for my squad mates because either they were MIA or running like cowards to another planet, my Li stepped off the normandy smiling, she obviously did not give a crap where Shepard was, so it went like this.
1.Epic battle to reach the conduit
2.Huh?
3.Go to bed.

Same experience, except bed wasn't an option.

[Computim]

xHezz90 wrote...

KLGChaos wrote...

You know, I just had a vision of Mass Effect 3 with an all Elcor fast:

Shepard: With determination, I need to stop the Reapers. Do you know how I can do that?

Child: With joyous mockery, Perhaps. I control the Reapers. They are my solution.... Dawg.

Shepard: With feigned interest: Solution? To what?

Child: With certain finality: Chaos.

Child: With unbridled stupidity: The created will always rebel against their creators.

Child: With idiotic certainty: But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle.

Shepard: With incredulity: By wiping out organic life?

Child: With fortuitous moronicism: No. We harvest advanced civilizations, leaving the younger ones alone. Plainly, Just as we left your people alive the last time we were here.

Shepard: With annoyed exasperation, But you killed the rest…

Child: To clarify and leave you more confused: We helped them ascend so they could make way for new life, storing the old life in Reaper form.

Shepard: Protecting my man parts, I think we’d rather keep our own form.

Child: With moronic desperation: No, you cannnot... With inane, backwater, ridiculously circular logic that only a truly mentally handicapped individual who sniffed too much glue as a child would believe: Without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics. We’ve created this cycle so that never happens. That is the solution.

Omg that is brilliant it made me laugh 

At which point Blasto bursts in:

"This one has forgotten if its heat-sink is over capacity. It wonders if the criminal scum considers itself fortunate?"

"Enkindle this."

[SkaldFish]

xHezz90 wrote...

KLGChaos wrote...

You know, I just had a vision of Mass Effect 3 with an all Elcor fast:

Shepard: With determination, I need to stop the Reapers. Do you know how I can do that?

Child: With joyous mockery, Perhaps. I control the Reapers. They are my solution.... Dawg.

Shepard: With feigned interest: Solution? To what?

Child: With certain finality: Chaos.

Child: With unbridled stupidity: The created will always rebel against their creators.

Child: With idiotic certainty: But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle.

Shepard: With incredulity: By wiping out organic life?

Child: With fortuitous moronicism: No. We harvest advanced civilizations, leaving the younger ones alone. Plainly, Just as we left your people alive the last time we were here.

Shepard: With annoyed exasperation, But you killed the rest…

Child: To clarify and leave you more confused: We helped them ascend so they could make way for new life, storing the old life in Reaper form.

Shepard: Protecting my man parts, I think we’d rather keep our own form.

Child: With moronic desperation: No, you cannnot... With inane, backwater, ridiculously circular logic that only a truly mentally handicapped individual who sniffed too much glue as a child would believe: Without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics. We’ve created this cycle so that never happens. That is the solution.

Omg that is brilliant it made me laugh 

And the Oscar for best screenplay adaptation goes to... KLGChaos !!!

[bowery tuff]

SkaldFish wrote...

Yes, his head would explode:

HAHA. YES! Like a boss! I think if Kirk played Mass Effect 3 he could actually talk the game into giving him a better ending. Better yet, how awesome would it be to have a charm option in the Starchild conversation that simply reads, "Captain Kirk?" My jaw would drop and there would be nothing to prepare for the epicness that followed.

[Aeyl]

DJBare wrote...

I never had any tears, anger or any other emotion when the credits rolled, I just felt numb, I could not grieve for my squad mates because either they were MIA or running like cowards to another planet, my Li stepped off the normandy smiling, she obviously did not give a crap where Shepard was, so it went like this.
1.Epic battle to reach the conduit
2.Huh?
3.Go to bed.

Yeah, I was just in a sort of confused stupor for the next hour or so. Then, the next day, after investigating plot holes and seeing whether I did something wrong, I got rather upset.

[Mythandariel]

bowery tuff wrote...

@VonVerrikan

You bring up a good point with the Kobayashi Maru. Captain Kirk wouldn't stand for this crap. Why should I believe Commander Shepard would? Kirk would listen to Starchild and then say something so unbelievably awesome, the kid's head would explode despite that he's not flesh and blood. Then Kirk would likely spend the rest of his life on Thessia to help rebuild and to enjoy the native population.

Shepard: Where's the fourth option?

GodChild: There is no fourth option.

S: Like hell there isn't! How 'bout we just sit here while the fleet I assembled, consisting of both organic AND synthetics kicks your Reaper's ***** back to what ever ****pile you crawled out from!

GC: That is unacceptable. Choose now.

S: I choose not to choose, how 'bout them apples?

GC: That choice is not within the perameters of this exersize. There is no other option. Or apples.

S: Then I will make my own option! *Pulls out pistol and aims it at GodChild's head* And to hell with your's! \\

GC: Then you leave us with no choice, Shepard. We have allowed you to survive long enough. Your end is inevitable. Your armada is nothing against us.

S: Then we'll show you what 'Rudimentry creatures of flesh' can do, Harbinger. This conversation is over!

Then Shepard wakes up on earth, and commands Joker to fire hot lazery death into Harbinger's 'eye' and flicks off the corpse as it collapses to the ground.

S: Them apples are good!

[allyon]

allyon wrote...

Okay. I was watching the updated indoc. theory video when I had a random thought. Someone plz correct me if I'm wrong. So the scripted was leaked in mid June last year right with the endings we got in it. Right?. So that IOS app launched said the ending was thought up in late Nov. or Dec. right? I kinda remember something about this in the leaked scripted months before the info for the app was ever taken. So if that is the case the IOS app is wrong/lying.Thoughts.....?

Okay so I know im quoting myself but somthing does not fit. The website I read the scripted on pulled it down at somepoint, I went back in my bookmarkes to take a look. I remember back then that the 3 ending we got were takled about then in some forme or another.

[Cossack72]

KLGChaos wrote...


*Snip*

You deserve a medal. I'm not even kidding.

<3

[bowery tuff]

Mythandariel, I like the way you think.

I still think Shepard flipping Starchild the bird and then flying through space on a modified jet ski, destroying each Reaper one by one with a punch to the face would have been a more believable ending than the one I got. Where is a Reaper's face you ask? It's wherever Shepard's fist lands ..
.

Modifié par bowery tuff, 25 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[XJ347]

It is nice to here people talk about how emotional this game made them.

I admit I cried because of this game.

The fact that this game can make me do that is amazing and that is why I am SOOOOOOO angry. Why would Bioware thrown in a twist and then call out Artistic Integrity when it would go against the premise of the game they made AND the fans that support Bioware. Doesn't the story and the fans deserve better than that?

Clarification will not cut it. You can polish a turd but that doesn't change the fact that it is still a turd.