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[Capeo]

albertalad wrote...

Come on, guys - you actually believe this nonsense? All this from some guy who is supposed to have played the Space Addition that no one here even knows - which only happened the weekend - either this guy is full of it or can pay an entire ME3 in a few days? While still eating, sleeping and either going to work or university - this guy has to be the smartest and quickest player on the planet - then find time to leak the ending as well? That's a little much to swallow considering then replaying ALL six or seven endings exploring new choices all through the game each time to see exactly what each ending is with what choices? Something doesn't smell right here!

The game isn't that long and the ending choices are the same no matter what you do.  He got his readiness maxed and just replayed the last mission making the final choice different each time.  He then data mined the ones he didn't do.  The endings also match the leaked script perfectly.  We also have someone sho has the strategy guide and he states that it all seems legit too.

[cerberus1701]

Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

True.  So give them to us as possible outcomes.

Why?

Because you want them?

So? I want to win the Mega Millions lottery tonight.

Let me let you in on a ME secret: Choice was/is an illusion. It is in ANY RPG. You are and always were confined to acting within the narrative the developers choose.

So, if they think the "Return of the Jedi" ending is stupid, you're not getting it.

Wow, that's a dumb allusion.  The lottery?  And you clearly haven't played a lot of RPGs.  FO1 and 2, NV, The Witcher 2, etc.  

And, yes, clearly because people want them.  This isn't some fantastic bit of literature.  It's a game that the developers themselves hyped as having meaningful choices and mutiple endings.

No, it isn't a dumb allusion. Just because i want something, that doesn't mean I'm getting it.

And I've been playing RPGs since they were text-based on my Commodore PET. You wanna know something about the ones you mentioned? The developers decided that those endings were valid. That those endings fit the potential narratives that they were comfortable conveying.

You would have gotten none of them if the developers decided they didn't fit the overall story they wanted to get the player into.

It's absolutely no different here.

[Vengeful Nature]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

True,
but there has always existed a certain rule of thumb: the more
cataclysmic the antagonistic force, the less wiggle-room happy endings
have to come off as believable. Since the Reapers were portrayed as such
apocalyptic, almighty galaxy-crushers from the start, there was always
worry about whether the ending would come off as too happy in a
contrived sort of way. At the same time, we want it to be happy.

Hence the current dilemma...

That's interesting, I was just thinking this. Maybe Bioware did themselves a disservice in creating such a big-bad antagonist in the first place. Maybe they should have kept it at Saren in ME1. Anyway, that's the retrospectoscope.

albertalad wrote...

... For instance the Reaper need NOT be defeated just bloodied to the point that the cost to themslves (given how difficult it is for Reapers to make new copies of themselves to begin with as shown in ME2) is more than the Reapers can tolerate and still be a formidale force onto themselves...

... Moreover, the Galatic community would have been left intact while Earth was devestated - a vicious price to pay for Earth - who must now rely on her colonies as humanity's hope for the future...

Huh, that's the exact kind of ending I was expecting for the trilogy.

Also, I just had this thought, call me out on it if you will, but isn't this ending basically a deus ex machina? An ancient weapon capable of doing all this, suddenly being dug up out of nowhere? Does the fact that this Crucible thing is apparently extremely damaging to use invalidate it as a deus ex machina device?

Just thinking out loud, here...

[tanuki]

N7Gold wrote...
I don't know if this is intentional, but you forgot the ending where the Warden (if you're a guy) can make a baby with Morrigan so that no Warden has to be sacrificed after killing the Archdemon. That said, there is a sweet ending among the bittersweet. so there is some hope for ME3.

*sigh*
You totally missed my point.

[turian councilor Knockout]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

True.  So give them to us as possible outcomes.

Why?

Because you want them?

So? I want to win the Mega Millions lottery tonight.

Let me let you in on a ME secret: Choice was/is an illusion. It is in ANY RPG. You are and always were confined to acting within the narrative the developers choose.

So, if they think the "Return of the Jedi" ending is stupid, you're not getting it.

Wow, that's a dumb allusion.  The lottery?  And you clearly haven't played a lot of RPGs.  FO1 and 2, NV, The Witcher 2, etc.  

And, yes, clearly because people want them.  This isn't some fantastic bit of literature.  It's a game that the developers themselves hyped as having meaningful choices and mutiple endings.

No, it isn't a dumb allusion. Just because i want something, that doesn't mean I'm getting it.

And I've been playing RPGs since they were text-based on my Commodore PET. You wanna know something about the ones you mentioned? The developers decided that those endings were valid. That those endings fit the potential narratives that they were comfortable conveying.

You would have gotten none of them if the developers decided they didn't fit the overall story they wanted to get the player into.

It's absolutely no different here.

Yeah yeah old gamer i always love when people bring up their gaming history and use it as a justification for their opinions a shame really that don't more people agree with you i know i do somewhat 

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 28 février 2012 - 06:24 .

[albertalad]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

True.  So give them to us as possible outcomes.

Why?

Because you want them?

So? I want to win the Mega Millions lottery tonight.

Let me let you in on a ME secret: Choice was/is an illusion. It is in ANY RPG. You are and always were confined to acting within the narrative the developers choose.

So, if they think the "Return of the Jedi" ending is stupid, you're not getting it.

Wow, that's a dumb allusion.  The lottery?  And you clearly haven't played a lot of RPGs.  FO1 and 2, NV, The Witcher 2, etc.  

And, yes, clearly because people want them.  This isn't some fantastic bit of literature.  It's a game that the developers themselves hyped as having meaningful choices and mutiple endings.

No, it isn't a dumb allusion. Just because i want something, that doesn't mean I'm getting it.

And I've been playing RPGs since they were text-based on my Commodore PET. You wanna know something about the ones you mentioned? The developers decided that those endings were valid. That those endings fit the potential narratives that they were comfortable conveying.

You would have gotten none of them if the developers decided they didn't fit the overall story they wanted to get the player into.

It's absolutely no different here.

Yeah, but if you were to read the scripts for ME1 & ME2 you would have found the same dire warnings and possible endings including Sheppard possibly killed again. The actual games themselves proved differently. Just my opinion.

[magnuskn]

cerberus1701 wrote...

No, it isn't a dumb allusion. Just because i want something, that doesn't mean I'm getting it.

And I've been playing RPGs since they were text-based on my Commodore PET. You wanna know something about the ones you mentioned? The developers decided that those endings were valid. That those endings fit the potential narratives that they were comfortable conveying.

You would have gotten none of them if the developers decided they didn't fit the overall story they wanted to get the player into.

It's absolutely no different here.

Well, if the developers want my money for future games, seems like they won't be getting it. Because the costumers decide with their wallets if they like games which wreck all the build-up in previous games for a bitter ending. And since the costumers also decide if they like games where their choices don't really matter.

Funny how that works.

[Harvoification]

[quote]Capeo wrote...

[quote]albertalad wrote...
We also have someone sho has the strategy guide and he states that it all seems legit too.



So why can't he give us a picture of his guide? 

Modifié par Harvoification, 28 février 2012 - 06:29 .

[Capeo]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

True.  So give them to us as possible outcomes.

Why?

Because you want them?

So? I want to win the Mega Millions lottery tonight.

Let me let you in on a ME secret: Choice was/is an illusion. It is in ANY RPG. You are and always were confined to acting within the narrative the developers choose.

So, if they think the "Return of the Jedi" ending is stupid, you're not getting it.

Wow, that's a dumb allusion.  The lottery?  And you clearly haven't played a lot of RPGs.  FO1 and 2, NV, The Witcher 2, etc.  

And, yes, clearly because people want them.  This isn't some fantastic bit of literature.  It's a game that the developers themselves hyped as having meaningful choices and mutiple endings.

No, it isn't a dumb allusion. Just because i want something, that doesn't mean I'm getting it.

And I've been playing RPGs since they were text-based on my Commodore PET. You wanna know something about the ones you mentioned? The developers decided that those endings were valid. That those endings fit the potential narratives that they were comfortable conveying.

You would have gotten none of them if the developers decided they didn't fit the overall story they wanted to get the player into.

It's absolutely no different here.

The outcomes of the FO games (except the abomination that is 3) are utterly different and varied.  Deus Ex had multiple outcomes (some BW is directly copying).  Hell, past BW games had various outcomes.  Obviously the developers wrote the endings but they wrote multiple endings that matched the choices you made.  That's the point.  This crap is all variations on the same theme and basically nullify everything that came before them.  If BW didn't tout choice as the defining aspect of the entire series maybe it would be a different story but that's not what they did.  

[Tancho]

You know, after reading all of this, I've concluded that I'm being trolled. I know it may sound like denial and I understand that rage is the popular opinion right now, but given every choice that is building into this game, I cannot logically believe that there are only six endings and they are all pretty much the same friggin thing. Do you honestly believe that anyone reviewing the game would conclude that the ending was fitting when our 'current information' completely disgraces all talk of honoring all variables? I mean, completely disregarding the 'crew ends up on a different planet' thing, our current information does not sound like it ends an epic tale at all - it sounds like trolling.

And, for all of you who keep throwing 'the guy who said it predicted the prothean's name! They shut down the thread that had this information!' Just stoooooooop. First, who wouldn't troll one of the biggest game releases in vg history? Second, all we have is a typed summary. Zero evidence. It's his word that he data mined the game. It's his word that all that happened. Sure, he could be telling the truth, but we have no reason to start a flame war based on something we haven't even played. Which brings me to three - just because they shut down the thread does not mean it's true. There are some viciously nasty responses to these rumors and if I were moderating a forum, I'd shut it down too.

The only way that I'm going to change my mind is via hardcore evidence. I need footage or high res pics from the strategy guide that firmly states 'these are the only possible outcomes'. From what I understand, the guide only 'seems to support his testimony' and the leaked script was apparently very ambiguous regarding the endings. So, until we have hardcore evidence, I'm logically inclined to think that these rumors do not reflect the full story (or the story at all) and that the game can still deliver what we're looking for. I won't know until someone provides evidence or until I play it myself.

I'd encourage others to take the same stance and enjoy the week leading up to the release.

[cerberus1701]

albertalad wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

True.  So give them to us as possible outcomes.

Why?

Because you want them?

So? I want to win the Mega Millions lottery tonight.

Let me let you in on a ME secret: Choice was/is an illusion. It is in ANY RPG. You are and always were confined to acting within the narrative the developers choose.

So, if they think the "Return of the Jedi" ending is stupid, you're not getting it.

Wow, that's a dumb allusion.  The lottery?  And you clearly haven't played a lot of RPGs.  FO1 and 2, NV, The Witcher 2, etc.  

And, yes, clearly because people want them.  This isn't some fantastic bit of literature.  It's a game that the developers themselves hyped as having meaningful choices and mutiple endings.

No, it isn't a dumb allusion. Just because i want something, that doesn't mean I'm getting it.

And I've been playing RPGs since they were text-based on my Commodore PET. You wanna know something about the ones you mentioned? The developers decided that those endings were valid. That those endings fit the potential narratives that they were comfortable conveying.

You would have gotten none of them if the developers decided they didn't fit the overall story they wanted to get the player into.

It's absolutely no different here.

Yeah, but if you were to read the scripts for ME1 & ME2 you would have found the same dire warnings and possible endings including Sheppard possibly killed again. The actual games themselves proved differently. Just my opinion.

Like a game, the initial script can differ from what the director and producer want to show you.

[CheeseEnchilada]

 This makes so very little sense. After the triumphant endings of the first two games, we're treated to endings that damn the galaxy and the player character in every scenario. If the relays are destroyed no matter what, small colonies and razed worlds will be cut off from most outside help, leaving them strapped for resources and likely dying in huge numbers from starvation. It's Rakhana on a galactic scale. Sure, FTL will still be around, but it requires eezo, which will likely be in short supply. And while our Normandy crew may survive and colonize, you've got to wonder if there's dextro food available, or if only Liara and the humans managed to survive. Not very cheery.

This is a fine ending, and appropriate for a galaxy-wide war against such powerful beings. However, I don't understand it being the only ending. I don't think anyone asking for a happy ending is looking for rainbows and sunshine--it's a war, after all, and casualties are expected. Most endings resulting in death is a-okay by me. But what's the point of having a 'perfect', difficult to achieve ending and separating Shepard from the characters we've come to love over the past six years? It's horribly jarring in comparison to the other two installments, and makes me feel the ending is a bit forced. I'd be much happier with just a couple of adjustments:

• Have the relays survive the Control ending. Shepard has to choose between saving the relays and keeping the reapers around, or blowing them both to hell. It allows players a sense of--you guessed it--control, and Renegade Shepard to actually gain power and get a decent ending.
• Let Shepard reunite with someone in the 'best' ending. Whether it's the LI, a good friend, or even Anderson, it's at least a sliver of happiness, and allows for more closure than we seem to currently have.

Edit: Formatting, how do you work?

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 28 février 2012 - 06:32 .

[Capeo]

[quote]Harvoification wrote...

[quote]Capeo wrote...

[quote]albertalad wrote...
We also have someone sho has the strategy guide and he states that it all seems legit too.



So why can't he give us a picture of his guide? 

[/quote]

He's got a whole thread going answering people's questions from the guide.  He's PMed me, and scores of people, answers to everything.  I'm sure if you asked for a pic of the guide he'd PM it to you.  It's the "questions" thread.  Go to it.  Not to mention I've read the leaked script and these endings match the brief descriptions given in the script.

[lastpawn]

Lemme see if I have this straight. So devs and writers didn't totally cave in to forum fan frenzy?

...

THANK YOU. If I wanted a crowdsourced ending I'd go read fanfic.

Modifié par lastpawn, 28 février 2012 - 06:37 .

[cerberus1701]

magnuskn wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

No, it isn't a dumb allusion. Just because i want something, that doesn't mean I'm getting it.

And I've been playing RPGs since they were text-based on my Commodore PET. You wanna know something about the ones you mentioned? The developers decided that those endings were valid. That those endings fit the potential narratives that they were comfortable conveying.

You would have gotten none of them if the developers decided they didn't fit the overall story they wanted to get the player into.

It's absolutely no different here.

Well, if the developers want my money for future games, seems like they won't be getting it. Because the costumers decide with their wallets if they like games which wreck all the build-up in previous games for a bitter ending. And since the costumers also decide if they like games where their choices don't really matter.

Funny how that works.

And the customers will be lining up for ME 3 on Tuesday. As will most of the whiners.

And most of the people who think of DA2 as some sort of gaming abomination will still be around for DA3. That's just the way it is.

[zion2121]

can someone send me the script

[cerberus1701]

lastpawn wrote...

So devs and writers didn't totally cave in to forum fan frenzy?

...
Thank God.

Zing.

[Mr.House]

After hearing that the relays blow up no matter what, even in control, I'm now with everyone. This is complete bs. The whole point of control is to keep galactic civilization at the cost of your humanity, yet the relays still blow up? Screw you Bioware

[Kabanya101]

That is by far one of the worst endings to a game. If the crew gets stranded then what the hell was the point in saving them and having them survive the suicide mission just so they never see shep that's just pathetic.
I hope the LI is still with shep cause if Liara isn't by my side heads are going to roll.

[Capeo]

Tancho wrote...

You know, after reading all of this, I've concluded that I'm being trolled. I know it may sound like denial and I understand that rage is the popular opinion right now, but given every choice that is building into this game, I cannot logically believe that there are only six endings and they are all pretty much the same friggin thing. Do you honestly believe that anyone reviewing the game would conclude that the ending was fitting when our 'current information' completely disgraces all talk of honoring all variables? I mean, completely disregarding the 'crew ends up on a different planet' thing, our current information does not sound like it ends an epic tale at all - it sounds like trolling.

And, for all of you who keep throwing 'the guy who said it predicted the prothean's name! They shut down the thread that had this information!' Just stoooooooop. First, who wouldn't troll one of the biggest game releases in vg history? Second, all we have is a typed summary. Zero evidence. It's his word that he data mined the game. It's his word that all that happened. Sure, he could be telling the truth, but we have no reason to start a flame war based on something we haven't even played. Which brings me to three - just because they shut down the thread does not mean it's true. There are some viciously nasty responses to these rumors and if I were moderating a forum, I'd shut it down too.

The only way that I'm going to change my mind is via hardcore evidence. I need footage or high res pics from the strategy guide that firmly states 'these are the only possible outcomes'. From what I understand, the guide only 'seems to support his testimony' and the leaked script was apparently very ambiguous regarding the endings. So, until we have hardcore evidence, I'm logically inclined to think that these rumors do not reflect the full story (or the story at all) and that the game can still deliver what we're looking for. I won't know until someone provides evidence or until I play it myself.

I'd encourage others to take the same stance and enjoy the week leading up to the release.

The leaked script has the exact same endings, just brief descriptions of them.  We knew there were only 6 endings forever at this point.  

[Teredan]

cerberus1701 wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

No, it isn't a dumb allusion. Just because i want something, that doesn't mean I'm getting it.

And I've been playing RPGs since they were text-based on my Commodore PET. You wanna know something about the ones you mentioned? The developers decided that those endings were valid. That those endings fit the potential narratives that they were comfortable conveying.

You would have gotten none of them if the developers decided they didn't fit the overall story they wanted to get the player into.

It's absolutely no different here.

Well, if the developers want my money for future games, seems like they won't be getting it. Because the costumers decide with their wallets if they like games which wreck all the build-up in previous games for a bitter ending. And since the costumers also decide if they like games where their choices don't really matter.

Funny how that works.

And the customers will be lining up for ME 3 on Tuesday. As will most of the whiners.

And most of the people who think of DA2 as some sort of gaming abomination will still be around for DA3. That's just the way it is.

Well excluding ME3 because I want to experience these supposed endings myself before delivering judgement I know that I'm certainly not on the DA3 boat.
Its reviews have to be stellar and I don't refer to scores before I consider buying DA3.

We'll see how the rest feels about it since there have been also quite a lot of people who liked DA2.

Modifié par Teredan, 28 février 2012 - 06:39 .

[Olueq]

Im confused about the whole Normandy situation at the end. Why arent they with you?

[xtorma]

cerberus1701 wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

No, it isn't a dumb allusion. Just because i want something, that doesn't mean I'm getting it.

And I've been playing RPGs since they were text-based on my Commodore PET. You wanna know something about the ones you mentioned? The developers decided that those endings were valid. That those endings fit the potential narratives that they were comfortable conveying.

You would have gotten none of them if the developers decided they didn't fit the overall story they wanted to get the player into.

It's absolutely no different here.

Well, if the developers want my money for future games, seems like they won't be getting it. Because the costumers decide with their wallets if they like games which wreck all the build-up in previous games for a bitter ending. And since the costumers also decide if they like games where their choices don't really matter.

Funny how that works.

And the customers will be lining up for ME 3 on Tuesday. As will most of the whiners.

And most of the people who think of DA2 as some sort of gaming abomination will still be around for DA3. That's just the way it is.

Yup ,sure I won't buy it for full price, but there are very few who won't just because the ending is bad.
I don't think this will effect sales all that much, be it truth or not.

[Balancer]

Tancho wrote...

You know, after reading all of this, I've concluded that I'm being trolled. I know it may sound like denial and I understand that rage is the popular opinion right now, but given every choice that is building into this game, I cannot logically believe that there are only six endings and they are all pretty much the same friggin thing. Do you honestly believe that anyone reviewing the game would conclude that the ending was fitting when our 'current information' completely disgraces all talk of honoring all variables? I mean, completely disregarding the 'crew ends up on a different planet' thing, our current information does not sound like it ends an epic tale at all - it sounds like trolling.

And, for all of you who keep throwing 'the guy who said it predicted the prothean's name! They shut down the thread that had this information!' Just stoooooooop. First, who wouldn't troll one of the biggest game releases in vg history? Second, all we have is a typed summary. Zero evidence. It's his word that he data mined the game. It's his word that all that happened. Sure, he could be telling the truth, but we have no reason to start a flame war based on something we haven't even played. Which brings me to three - just because they shut down the thread does not mean it's true. There are some viciously nasty responses to these rumors and if I were moderating a forum, I'd shut it down too.

The only way that I'm going to change my mind is via hardcore evidence. I need footage or high res pics from the strategy guide that firmly states 'these are the only possible outcomes'. From what I understand, the guide only 'seems to support his testimony' and the leaked script was apparently very ambiguous regarding the endings. So, until we have hardcore evidence, I'm logically inclined to think that these rumors do not reflect the full story (or the story at all) and that the game can still deliver what we're looking for. I won't know until someone provides evidence or until I play it myself.

I'd encourage others to take the same stance and enjoy the week leading up to the release.

Well spoken sir!, i complety agree with you,

another piece of evidence is that the person who posted it. said in the summary i'm gay, and why put that in a serieus posting? also somewhere he writed mass effect lol. sounds like troll to me. (no offence against gay people)

[Satanicponies]

Olueq wrote...

Im confused about the whole Normandy situation at the end. Why arent they with you?

For some reason the normandy decides to go through a mass relay before they...break? Land(crash) on a deserted planet and it turns into gilligan's island.

Modifié par Satanicponies, 28 février 2012 - 06:44 .