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[Fallenfromthesky]

cyrrant wrote...
  Also going (gasp!) outside and doing things.

 My GOD are you sure thats safe lol. I know what you mean I've restarted running I guess that means I should thank BW for making me fitter.

[chujwamdotego]

People react differently when they face situation like this.

Some are sad, some calm, other feel depression-like...

But the things is to Hold The Line. Only by putting united presure on Bioware we may persuade them to give us endings this series needs.

[Ender99]

Katosu wrote...

While I respect you guys a lot and only pop in here occassionally to make silly/random remarks, I do have to say on a more serious note that I think if you're allowing a game to affect your life, you perhaps need to step back and re-assess. I might be shooting myself in the foot when I say this, but your personal lives need to come before anything else. If anyone has played FFXI, you know the message that SquareEnix used to give whenever you signed in about not neglecting your personal/family life for a game.

I get a lot of people like to get immersed in the universe, and that's all well and good. But you need to be able to pull yourself out of that, or else you'll wind up in one of those funny YouTube videos like the fat StarWars doublesaber guy.

Anyways, just a friendly reminder. Hold the line, but don't let your life suffer over a 60$ piece of plastic.

I agree, I'm not neglecting my life, I'm just taking the time I would have spend playing games, and spending it here instead. That's what I think/hope most of the individuals here are doing.

If we can get this fixed, then I'll disappear from here and go back to playing games. XD

Hold the line.

[ajunta_]

Katosu wrote...

While I respect you guys a lot and only pop in here occassionally to make silly/random remarks, I do have to say on a more serious note that I think if you're allowing a game to affect your life, you perhaps need to step back and re-assess. I might be shooting myself in the foot when I say this, but your personal lives need to come before anything else. If anyone has played FFXI, you know the message that SquareEnix used to give whenever you signed in about not neglecting your personal/family life for a game.

I get a lot of people like to get immersed in the universe, and that's all well and good. But you need to be able to pull yourself out of that, or else you'll wind up in one of those funny YouTube videos like the fat StarWars doublesaber guy.

Anyways, just a friendly reminder. Hold the line, but don't let your life suffer over a 60$ piece of plastic.

Well, I have a personal life and a job I mostly enjoy, but as something bad comes my way, I always use games to distract myself from problems. Thta's like a coping mechanism - some people drink, some have vacations, some go on a shopping spree, and I save galaxy and Ferelden.
When my beloved cat, who was with me for a half of my life had cancer and died, Mass Effect helped me to go to bed without tears in my eyes.
And the next thing someone will tell me will be: "You shouldn't be so upset about cat's death in the first place", but, well - that's what I am.

[VonVerrikan]

Katosu wrote...

While I respect you guys a lot and only pop in here occassionally to make silly/random remarks, I do have to say on a more serious note that I think if you're allowing a game to affect your life, you perhaps need to step back and re-assess. I might be shooting myself in the foot when I say this, but your personal lives need to come before anything else. If anyone has played FFXI, you know the message that SquareEnix used to give whenever you signed in about not neglecting your personal/family life for a game.

I get a lot of people like to get immersed in the universe, and that's all well and good. But you need to be able to pull yourself out of that, or else you'll wind up in one of those funny YouTube videos like the fat StarWars doublesaber guy.

Anyways, just a friendly reminder. Hold the line, but don't let your life suffer over a 60$ piece of plastic.

Please don't assume you know the effect this universe can have on any of our lives. This universe was a coping mechanisim for many of us in our lives, and seeing the events, characters, and situations helped us both cope with our lives, and draw inspiration to continue. Just because you have limited emotional investment in this game, does not give you a right to belittle the rest of us for having a very strong emotional reaction to it. 

This universe and the characters therein were all very important in my life. One could easily draw massive inspiration from Shepard alone in order to face personal problems. To assume you can have any say whatsoever in how this emotionally impacts me is just ignorant and wrong of you, and anyone else who thinks that way.

[phimseto]

Two-thousand something pages, and you are right...I am sure there are plenty of silly comments. However for a lot of people, this is years worth of worry and angst finally coming to fruition: that the EA buyout would negatively impact BW, that the moving or loss of creative personnel would finally catch up with the series, that this push for "New players" would come at the expense of the old, that MP would tIe away from the single player game...for a great # of people, most or all of these fears have been realized.

It may technically be a sixty dollar piece of plastic, but it is also a form of art and a passionate pursuit that means a great deal to many people. The sense that I get here is the same that I get from star wars fans - that something you care deeply about has been subverted and tossed away. RPGs aren't sports titles...they aren't throwaway titles replaced each year...they are stories and characters that people invest in, like we would books or film. In a way, even more, because it is our participation that crafts them. That kind of experience is not so easily dismissed.

Honestly, I am happy by this pushback. The industry is healthier for this kind of consumer revolt. The final say shouldn't be the corporations or the media sites sympathetic to them.

[Kyria Nyriese]

ajunta_ wrote...

*snip

When my beloved cat, who was with me for a half of my life had cancer and died, Mass Effect helped me to go to bed without tears in my eyes.
And the next thing someone will tell me will be: "You shouldn't be so upset about cat's death in the first place", but, well - that's what I am.

Loosing a kitty is a very hard thing, I lost two in six months a few years ago, and it really tore me up.  They are my furry babies.

Apologies for the off topic response.

HOLD THE LINE!

[focusright]

smudboy strikes at me3



I know he is very hated on bsn, but I always felt his arguments were very solid.
Nevertheless, its worth a watch if you agree with him or not.

Modifié par kiiiiii, 25 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[DinoChimp]

VonVerrikan wrote...

Katosu wrote...

While I respect you guys a lot and only pop in here occassionally to make silly/random remarks, I do have to say on a more serious note that I think if you're allowing a game to affect your life...

Anyways, just a friendly reminder. Hold the line, but don't let your life suffer over a 60$ piece of plastic.

Please don't assume you know the effect this universe can have on any of our lives. This universe was a coping mechanisim for many of us in our lives...

This universe and the characters therein were all very important in my life. One could easily draw massive inspiration from Shepard alone in order to face personal problems. To assume you can have any say whatsoever in how this emotionally impacts me is just ignorant and wrong of you, and anyone else who thinks that way.

I think Katosu was just trying to give some perspective on the situation and wasn't trying to belittle anyone's emontial attachment. I for one havn't felt very good since finishing the game and even had a brief chat about it to my shrink (which was interesting I must say).

In the end though its just something to consider or not, but no need to reply in that manner I think.

Thats my 2 cents.

Edit: Just remember we need to work together and hold the line (something anyone's Shaperd would be proud of)

Modifié par DinoChimp, 25 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[BCMakoto]

The sad thing about this whole debacle is:

There are writters out there who can make a good ending without the rescources Bioware has.

Today, I finished the last Episode of an anime that aired 2006, and had four seasons since then concluding with this fourth one since Januar and the episode aired yesterday. And, for gods sake, the ending was good! As far as 2008, when the third season came and it didn't look like the fourth would come I had hoped for it. And now, after finishing the series, I am like: "That was a very good series!". Yes, it was a happy ending, but that is the point of fictive media: I have so much trouble in real-life, let me experience happy outcomes in fantasy.

Yes, it was cheesy. It was the usual "Hero gets the girl!" ending. But, to hell with cheesy, it was worth it. I saw what happened to the characters, and I could imagine until a certain extend after the last scene what happened to the protagonists. There was no plot-device introduced during the last 10 minutes of the last episode. They solved it with the basic things they had, the "latest" thing that came into mind was introduced around 5 Episodes ago. So no Deus ex machina which killed the villain. No ridicolous logic behind it.

It was a satisfying ending which I can accept as "worthy ending" to the series as a whole. I would even go so far to say that I would watch all 4 seasons a second time. BUT why can't Bioware make something as this?

Why, in the end, the whole story was concluded by screwing up the galaxy, which was done by a deus ex machina? Is this everything Bioware has to offer? Simple Anime writers can deliver a good and satisfying ending, why can't you Bioware? Why can't there be some different endings, happy and bad alike? Why such plot-holes? Why the star child.

After seeing the said ending, I am happy for the series to conclude like this. But I am also sad...because I know: Authors can do good endings...why can't Bioware which I had so much faith in? Wouldn't it be an anime I followed for such a long time, 6 years, I would not have even watched. I can't stand endings right now. Can't stand storys. Because it reminds me of the awfull ending of ME3.

That doesn't depress anyone else?

Modifié par LPKerberos, 25 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[PsylenceRD]

VonVerrikan wrote...

Blanket community question, but does anyone else have trouble finding the drive to play videogames past ME3? ME3's ending literally killed my drive and passion to play videogames at all.

I can say I sure do. Barely play games at all anymore. Maybe a couple hours a week instead of a couple hours a night. My friend had the best response though. He played DA2 after ME3 and just started being a raging "jerk" toward everyone(Normally he's a paragon/light side type of guy). When his girlfriend asked why he was playing so differently he said "What's the point? Not like it matters in the end."

[DinoChimp]

LPKerberos wrote...

The sad thing about this whole debacle is: ...

After seeing the said ending, I am happy for the series to conclude like this. But I am also sad...because I know: Authors can do good endings...why can't Bioware which I had so much faith in? Wouldn't it be an anime I followed for such a long time, 6 years, I would not have even watched. I can't stand endings right now. Can't stand storys. Because it reminds me of the awfull ending of ME3.

That doesn't depress anyone else?

I think you'll find that it depresses alot of people who loved this universe and all the characters we have become attached too. I know it has set me in a not very good mood since I finished the game.

Hold the line.

[N085]

Nharia1 wrote...

VonVerrikan wrote...

Blanket community question, but does anyone else have trouble finding the drive to play videogames past ME3? ME3's ending literally killed my drive and passion to play videogames at all.

Its killed my drive to play any other video game for more than a couple of hours.... so I'm sadly stuck playing through me3 for the 5-6 time....

Well your a braver person than i. I can't bring myself to start it again that's for sure.

[Phoenix NL]

ajunta_ wrote...

Katosu wrote...

While I respect you guys a lot and only pop in here occassionally to make silly/random remarks, I do have to say on a more serious note that I think if you're allowing a game to affect your life, you perhaps need to step back and re-assess. I might be shooting myself in the foot when I say this, but your personal lives need to come before anything else. If anyone has played FFXI, you know the message that SquareEnix used to give whenever you signed in about not neglecting your personal/family life for a game.

I get a lot of people like to get immersed in the universe, and that's all well and good. But you need to be able to pull yourself out of that, or else you'll wind up in one of those funny YouTube videos like the fat StarWars doublesaber guy.

Anyways, just a friendly reminder. Hold the line, but don't let your life suffer over a 60$ piece of plastic.

Well, I have a personal life and a job I mostly enjoy, but as something bad comes my way, I always use games to distract myself from problems. Thta's like a coping mechanism - some people drink, some have vacations, some go on a shopping spree, and I save galaxy and Ferelden.
When my beloved cat, who was with me for a half of my life had cancer and died, Mass Effect helped me to go to bed without tears in my eyes.
And the next thing someone will tell me will be: "You shouldn't be so upset about cat's death in the first place", but, well - that's what I am.

Exactly this. My life is still fine, my kids are happy and healthy and my marriage is rock solid. Games are my way to unwind and take the stress out of the day so it's been hard for me to find an interest in my games. Instead I spend my spare time with you good people.

Also, I know what you mean about being upset about your cat. We had 3 (all brothers from the same litter) and one of them was hit by a car and killed last year. We've had them since they were old enough to leave their mother and they were very much a part of the family.

[Doppelgaenger]

kiiiiii wrote...

smudboy strikes at me3



I know he is very hated on bsn, but I always felt his arguments were very solid.
Nevertheless, its worth a watch if you agree with him or not.

Now I realise they messud up the intro too. 

[Katosu]

VonVerrikan wrote...

Katosu wrote...

While I respect you guys a lot and only pop in here occassionally to make silly/random remarks, I do have to say on a more serious note that I think if you're allowing a game to affect your life, you perhaps need to step back and re-assess. I might be shooting myself in the foot when I say this, but your personal lives need to come before anything else. If anyone has played FFXI, you know the message that SquareEnix used to give whenever you signed in about not neglecting your personal/family life for a game.

I get a lot of people like to get immersed in the universe, and that's all well and good. But you need to be able to pull yourself out of that, or else you'll wind up in one of those funny YouTube videos like the fat StarWars doublesaber guy.

Anyways, just a friendly reminder. Hold the line, but don't let your life suffer over a 60$ piece of plastic.

Please don't assume you know the effect this universe can have on any of our lives. This universe was a coping mechanisim for many of us in our lives, and seeing the events, characters, and situations helped us both cope with our lives, and draw inspiration to continue. Just because you have limited emotional investment in this game, does not give you a right to belittle the rest of us for having a very strong emotional reaction to it. 

This universe and the characters therein were all very important in my life. One could easily draw massive inspiration from Shepard alone in order to face personal problems. To assume you can have any say whatsoever in how this emotionally impacts me is just ignorant and wrong of you, and anyone else who thinks that way.

You ask me not to assume, but then you go so far as to say I have a limited emotional investment? The difference between you and I, isn't that I am making assumptions. It's that I am showing genuine concern when people say this enters them into a depression (As one poster said.) That is TOO MUCH investment and can become unhealthy, no matter how you look at it.

Just because I hold the maturity and the independance to take that emotional investment and step back and know the difference between fiction and reality, does NOT mean I haven't sunk my fair share of time into the game. I was saddened by the ending, but unless my screen is going to project a rainbow explosion and suck their universe into ours, that is the extent of my reaction to that moment.

Your sheer arrogance and insulting nature is quite the contrary to the original message I posted. Go get some Xanax if you're having such a problem coping, plenty of other people do.

[Rdubs]

Sorry for the delay, here are the sales figure data from VGchartz.com, graphed out.  To try and keep the comparison as best apples-to-apples I am just showing the Xbox sales, since ME2's PS3 sales were not released contemporaneously with the other platforms.

First the ME series:



It's hard to eyeball it but thanks to Excel we know the dropoff in sales in ME2 (across all platforms) was around 70% (week 1 to week 2).  The dropoff in ME3 has been around 80%.  The volume of units is sufficient enough to say the measured value is statistically significant, meaning the numbers are good to analyze.  It's quite possible the reason for the higher dropoff is due to the ending controversy, word of mouth saying don't buy.  One would certainly expect a game which sold twice as many units as its predecessor the first week, if it was awesome, would be doing better than SLIGHTLY better than its predecessor the second week.

Also notice the word-of-mouth pattern, where sales in later weeks either hold steady or actually increase.  Note how the original ME's weekly sales were HIGHER than ME2's in the out weeks as word of mouth reached more and more people.

Dragon Age



The big difference here is DA2's first week sales compared to DA:O.  Apparently word of mouth got around before it was released saying it was going to suck nutzz and people waited.  I think it's like 80% of week 1 sales are pre-orders so it's likely many of these were cancelled or never placed.

---------------------------
To be honest, we can analyze whatever we want but I can tell you as one who works in finance there are only 2 sales figures which matter to Bioware / EA which will drive them to take some kind of action.  The first is their internal projections / budget for the game and how the game is doing against that.  They announced a while ago that they broke their internal targets in ME3 pre-orders, but that of course is meaningless because they can just pick an arbitrarily low number and oh look, we broke it, free publicity.  The second is how the sales are doing versus stock analyst expectations, which is what they base their stock price target guidance off of.  They all have models they input volumes and margins into to estimate future earnings, and then compare actuals against this.  Since these estimates are "priced in" to the current stock price, if actual sales beat those projections then that's good news which causes people to want to buy the stock, and vice versa.  So we can use the actuals shown above to try to compare with prior releases, but if we want to see them do something that's much more likely to happen when things start going sideways with either internal or external projections.  I bet though that they didn't budget for the game to only be doing near what ME2 did this time after launch.  So keep holding the line and spreading the word.

EDIT: Here is an example of what I was talking about re: analyst expectations.
http://www.gamefront...ea-stock-drops/

Modifié par Rdubs, 25 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[ajunta_]

LPKerberos wrote...
*snip
I can't stand endings right now. Can't stand storys. Because it reminds me of the awfull ending of ME3.

That doesn't depress anyone else?

Yeah, that happens to me too. My friends presented me for my birthday in december Joe Abercrombie's trilogy "The First Law". I read an electronic version of it before, liked it greatly and wanted to have real books in my collection. Well, now I'm *not* going to read it again, cause - spoilers ahead - the ending is very sad (but it didn't ruin the trilogy as it was satisfying, concluding and didn't have starchildren). Now I just watch at the bookshelves and make this "ugh" face each time I notice "The First Law".
And now I started to read a new book called "Little stranger". I'm in the middle, and as it goes it is quite sad already. So I'm crossing my fingers - may at least the ending be happy, please:unsure:

[VonVerrikan]

DinoChimp wrote...

I think Katosu was just trying to give some perspective on the situation and wasn't trying to belittle anyone's emontial attachment. I for one havn't felt very good since finishing the game and even had a brief chat about it to my shrink (which was interesting I must say).

In the end though its just something to consider or not, but no need to reply in that manner I think.

Thats my 2 cents.

Edit: Just remember we need to work together and hold the line (something anyone's Shaperd would be proud of)

Perspective and belitting are different demons. Pointing out how silly it is to get this emotional over a "$60 piece of plactic" is bad, no matter how you slice it. 

I for one am very proud of my emotional investment within the Mass Effect univerese. I do not however need people telling me to calm down "because it's just a videogame". That's ignorant. It's more than a game to me, so I defend my right to condem people who think it's wrong to react so strongly to it.

[Bob3terd]

Nharia1 wrote...

VonVerrikan wrote...

Blanket community question, but does anyone else have trouble finding the drive to play videogames past ME3? ME3's ending literally killed my drive and passion to play videogames at all.

Its killed my drive to play any other video game for more than a couple of hours.... so I'm sadly stuck playing through me3 for the 5-6 time....

I got to attend raids as a raid leader its torturous. I hope this dosent last games are one of my main hobbies ill have to take up somthing else to fill in the time.

[Phoenix NL]

Katosu wrote...

VonVerrikan wrote...

Katosu wrote...

While I respect you guys a lot and only pop in here occassionally to make silly/random remarks, I do have to say on a more serious note that I think if you're allowing a game to affect your life, you perhaps need to step back and re-assess. I might be shooting myself in the foot when I say this, but your personal lives need to come before anything else. If anyone has played FFXI, you know the message that SquareEnix used to give whenever you signed in about not neglecting your personal/family life for a game.

I get a lot of people like to get immersed in the universe, and that's all well and good. But you need to be able to pull yourself out of that, or else you'll wind up in one of those funny YouTube videos like the fat StarWars doublesaber guy.

Anyways, just a friendly reminder. Hold the line, but don't let your life suffer over a 60$ piece of plastic.

Please don't assume you know the effect this universe can have on any of our lives. This universe was a coping mechanisim for many of us in our lives, and seeing the events, characters, and situations helped us both cope with our lives, and draw inspiration to continue. Just because you have limited emotional investment in this game, does not give you a right to belittle the rest of us for having a very strong emotional reaction to it. 

This universe and the characters therein were all very important in my life. One could easily draw massive inspiration from Shepard alone in order to face personal problems. To assume you can have any say whatsoever in how this emotionally impacts me is just ignorant and wrong of you, and anyone else who thinks that way.

You ask me not to assume, but then you go so far as to say I have a limited emotional investment? The difference between you and I, isn't that I am making assumptions. It's that I am showing genuine concern when people say this enters them into a depression (As one poster said.) That is TOO MUCH investment and can become unhealthy, no matter how you look at it.

Just because I hold the maturity and the independance to take that emotional investment and step back and know the difference between fiction and reality, does NOT mean I haven't sunk my fair share of time into the game. I was saddened by the ending, but unless my screen is going to project a rainbow explosion and suck their universe into ours, that is the extent of my reaction to that moment.

Your sheer arrogance and insulting nature is quite the contrary to the original message I posted. Go get some Xanax if you're having such a problem coping, plenty of other people do.

Come on, let's not start arguing or throwing insults around. We all love the games and the universe or we wouldn't be on here discussing it at such length. As individuals it also affects us all in different ways. You are right that ME3 is not the be all and end all of our lives. At the same time I can understand that some people aren't necessarily in the best space personally and sometimes need that escape into games or books just to decompress from the problems in their lives. This doesn't mean they're wrong to do it - they're just dealing with things in a different way. So please, let's keep being supportive and understanding and let's not pick fights about this sort of thing.

[Risselda]

Anyone see the supposed leak of the post ending dlc on the forums? Talk about be careful what you wish for.

The dlc makes me actually like the current endings.

**edit, adding link    social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10560313

Modifié par Risselda, 25 mars 2012 - 03:31 .

[fade2black2610]

VonVerrikan wrote...

Perspective and belitting are different demons. Pointing out how silly it is to get this emotional over a "$60 piece of plactic" is bad, no matter how you slice it. 

I for one am very proud of my emotional investment within the Mass Effect univerese. I do not however need people telling me to calm down "because it's just a videogame". That's ignorant. It's more than a game to me, so I defend my right to condem people who think it's wrong to react so strongly to it.

Mate, he's not saying it's silly, he's just voicing his opinion that you shouldn't let it affect your personal life so much. He wasn't singling anyone out, didn't insult anyone (at least not on purpose) and just gave his opinion. He's entitled to it, so lay off the "ignorant" thing and just leave it. 

[Phoenix NL]

Well I think we're all in agreement that it's a fake. However I will reiterate in case Bioware is listening and even considering turning Shepard into some kind of possessed Exorcist creature that I am done with Bioware.

[silencemayday]

Doppelgaenger wrote...

kiiiiii wrote...

smudboy strikes at me3



I know he is very hated on bsn, but I always felt his arguments were very solid.
Nevertheless, its worth a watch if you agree with him or not.

Now I realise they messud up the intro too. 

i'm laughing way too much while watching this video. this guy is priceless. and sadly: right.