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Cyan-Glow wrote...

So, I've been thinking... What if April rolls around and they announce just more pre-final mission DLC and simply explain the ending, without offering additional choices content.

Do we simply say, forget it and give up, or do we keep pressing them to change the ending?


I thought that was what they were planning on doing?

In this gameinformer article it says "BioWare says it's working on game content that will hopefully bring closure and clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3. "

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andy310 wrote...

I thought that was what they were planning on doing?

In this gameinformer article it says "
BioWare says it's working on game content that will hopefully bring closure and clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3. "


Maybe. That's waffling PR speak. They may do that. Or they may do it right. We won't know until they make a non-PR statement.

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bioware: Shepards, you're making a habit of costing me more than time and money.

shepards:I'm sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you- I'm getting a lot of pr on this line

hold the line

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toffeetrooper wrote...
no one would dare call bond an idiot

If they have to explain those endings, they are effectivly calling people idiots, besides, I don't want to be on the line when the sh*t hits the fan, currently we have a bit of fun with this and I don't mind reminding people to remain polite, can you imagine if they used an explanation for the ending, the next time I remind folk to remain polite they'd all lynch me!

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xHezz90 wrote...

Cyan-Glow wrote...

So, I've been thinking... What if April rolls around and they announce just more pre-final mission DLC and simply explain the ending, without offering additional choices content.

Do we simply say, forget it and give up, or do we keep pressing them to change the ending?


I honestly don't know, I mean personally I would want to keep pressing them to change the ending but if everyone else just gives up and leaves, then me alone fighting for ME3 is going to be pointless.

I assure you, I'll be here holding the line long after our forces have dwindled. We have to keep a positive mindset, and assure ourselves that we can make a difference!
They can throw all of the excuses and pre-ending DLC at us they want, we'll keep fighting until we win!

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toffeetrooper wrote...

bioware: Shepards, you're making a habit of costing me more than time and money.

shepards:I'm sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you- I'm getting a lot of pr on this line

hold the line


Lol! :lol:

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xHezz90 wrote...

Cyan-Glow wrote...

So, I've been thinking... What if April rolls around and they announce just more pre-final mission DLC and simply explain the ending, without offering additional choices content.

Do we simply say, forget it and give up, or do we keep pressing them to change the ending?


I honestly don't know, I mean personally I would want to keep pressing them to change the ending but if everyone else just gives up and leaves, then me alone fighting for ME3 is going to be pointless.


I'd stand with you to the end Breathren. I've put too much work and too much passion into ME and the movement to let it end like that.

Holding the Line now and forever

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Cyan-Glow wrote...

So, I've been thinking... What if April rolls around and they announce just more pre-final mission DLC and simply explain the ending, without offering additional choices content.

Do we simply say, forget it and give up, or do we keep pressing them to change the ending?


In my case it is end of the line for Bioware and EA. No second chances, no possibility of 'making up' and no chance of me giving them so much as a single penny.

I'll wait until another developer comes along with the type of games Bioware used to make. I estimate that would be...two years or so.

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Morning all, whats new to report?
Also, is Bioware came out and admitted they just needed more time and were honest with us, I'd be fine with that. Hells, I'd be the first to shake their hand and tell them that next time they should just tell us xD

Be back in an hr guys n gals.
Hold the line.

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EDIT: Fixed line breaks

Iucounou wrote...

chosen_trekie wrote...

I respectfully disagree.  I feel that this should be it for Shepard live or die, (s)he has already done enough.  I think any future Mass Effect games should have a new protaganist.  After all, Shepard isn't the only soldier in the galaxy.


I'm with you. This has to be Shepard's last ride for a number of reasons.

Firstly, as you say, he's done enough.
Secondly, what possible challenge could be worthy of him after defeating the Reapers?
Thirdly (and possibly most importantly), This is what they (BW) told us. That this would be the end of Shepard's story.

Yet, when I got to the end what did I read? You can continue Shepard's story through DLC......blah blah.

No Bioware, just no!

Shepard should either die, or ride off into the sunset with his LI. And preferably, both options and a whole bunch of others in between. Don't keep dragging him out game after game, until he starts to look as ridiculously desperate for attention as Jean Claude van Damme. It's not a fitting end to his story. Don't do it!

"This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard." - Casey Hudson

We're faced with a lot of ambiguity and more than one conflicting statement from BioWare. That's frustrating.

I realized after the last comment I wrote (a kind of over-the-top, put-him-in-his-place response to the Escapist article about Paul Taylor at Mode 7) that I was really angry again and I had to come up with a way to stop that. You folks may not have that problem, so don't take any of this as my presuming to suggest anything. Just telling you what's (sort of) working for me.

I shelled out the $2.99 Geoff Keighley is asking for his "The Final Hours of Mass Effect" app. (It's available for PC and Kindle now as well as the iPad, but I understand the Kindle version isn't full multimedia). I found the insight into the internal workings of BioWare and the decisions that gave us the ME3 ending to be very helpful in putting some pieces together. I won't detail any of that here, because at this point it's just speculation, and we don't need any more help to do that, but I found it felt healthier (for me; YMMV) to get more real context information and understand the BioWare team and team dynamics a bit better.

Hope that doesn't sound like a commercial. It isn't. I just found the app well worth the money in terms of what it gave me in return. That said, I'm in software development myself, so what I got from that inside look might be a "big freakin' deal" kind of thing for others. So, take all this with a big FWIW.
So, still holding the line, but in a bit more of a stealth mode for the moment. :ph34r:

Modifié par SkaldFish, 25 mars 2012 - 11:40 .


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toffeetrooper wrote...
bioware: Shepards, you're making a habit of costing me more than time and money.
shepards:I'm sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you- I'm getting a lot of pr on this line

hold the line

Fantastic my dear fellow, you just made me lose my cool look with laughter.

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ich weiß es ist schwer und alles. aber die momentane phase ist doch weiterhin nur eine pr masche. uns sitzen lassen bis wir einfach die nerven schmeißen und aufgeben. und gnah. ich weiß gar nicht wie ich meine gedanken irgendwie ausdrücken kann.. außer- wir können nicht einfach so aufgeben. einfach nur hier sein, präsenz zeigen muss doch für irgendetwas zählen, oder? 


Absolutely. Besides, what's even more important than our presence here, is the presence of our incontrovertible arguments as to why that 'ending' was nothing but a display of ineptitude.

It's only because we've discussed pretty much everything that can be discussed about the problem at hand, that many of us are feeling tired, at a loss for words, and so on.

This will go on until whatever official statement we'll get in April.


yeah, i think you're right about that. but the waiting is just killing me. i know that there isn't anything left to say from our part.. but it's just so unbearable. to just sit and wait for the statement. i hate it. and it's tiring and annoying and- just argh. 

but yes. i fully agree. i just wish this was over already. i would be fine with a clear answer. if it was yes- yeah, awesome. and if it was no- well, i'm done. i'm done defending any of their games, i'm done trying to convince friends to play anything from bioware/ea.. i'm just done. i'll sell all my current games to gamestop and won't even think twice. 
but the waiting.. it's awful. 

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Find below some important links you may want to follow.

Alternative forum(if required) courtesy of Cybermortis

Polls
Since we're getting paid DLC, is it enough for Bioware to just "clarify"?
Poll About Your reaction on Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement on 21st March 2012
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC
[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?

Provide Bioware with your feedback
Leave your feedback on Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement from 21st March 2012
Official ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread

Bioware's Promises pre-game release and their PR response analysed
Mass Effect 3 debacle - Pre-release developer quotes
EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***

Retake Mass Effect Movement Resources
Retake Mass Effect Banner Templates
Mission Statement Thread
Mass Effect 3 Resource Site with collection of statements and reports
Retake Mass Effect 3 Statistics

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Retake Mass Effect on Facebook
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Forbes, Commander Shepard Actor Mark Meer Weighs In On Mass Effect 3 Ending And DLC
Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement on 21st March 2012
***Attention*** Mass Effect Survey Scam
Forbes, New Ending Setting Precedence?
GotGame, The customer is always right.
NY Daily News about Retake Mass Effect
The Telegraph in UK reporting about our movement
Forbes on indoctrination theory
Forbes reports on Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement
CVG, Mass Effect 3: 86% think BioWare blew the ending
BBC news technology section
Forbes, Why Child's Play Stopped Taking Donations From Retake Mass Effect
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andy310 wrote...

Cyan-Glow wrote...

So, I've been thinking... What if April rolls around and they announce just more pre-final mission DLC and simply explain the ending, without offering additional choices content.

Do we simply say, forget it and give up, or do we keep pressing them to change the ending?


I thought that was what they were planning on doing?

In this gameinformer article it says "BioWare says it's working on game content that will hopefully bring closure and clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3. "


Citadel Kid: "This is my solution."
Shepard: "Really?  Well.. this is mine.  Shepard to the fleet.  Priority target. Reaper Command & Control at my position.  Target with everything you've got.... fire."

And with those two lines I would have been appeased... even though I was a freaken Paragon... the kid deserved it for being a genocidal nutcase AI that had killed more people over time than even Commander Shepard did in the endings.

Edit: Oh.. and don't tell me this was the destroy mission.. The "Do not fire at these wires" thing is just doing what Citadel Kid wanted.

Modifié par Computim, 25 mars 2012 - 11:13 .


#60840
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lunamoondragon wrote...
I assure you, I'll be here holding the line long after our forces have dwindled. We have to keep a positive mindset, and assure ourselves that we can make a difference!
They can throw all of the excuses and pre-ending DLC at us they want, we'll keep fighting until we win!


Two of us against a corporate company? yep I can see that lol. Though to be honest I'm pretty sure Retake aren't going to back down either.

I'm sure I read somewhere that they weren't giving in if we only got some crappy explanation, but I can't seem to find it now lol.

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Fallenfromthesky wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

Cyan-Glow wrote...

So, I've been thinking... What if April rolls around and they announce just more pre-final mission DLC and simply explain the ending, without offering additional choices content.

Do we simply say, forget it and give up, or do we keep pressing them to change the ending?


I honestly don't know, I mean personally I would want to keep pressing them to change the ending but if everyone else just gives up and leaves, then me alone fighting for ME3 is going to be pointless.


I'd stand with you to the end Breathren. I've put too much work and too much passion into ME and the movement to let it end like that.

Holding the Line now and forever


A simple explication of the actual endings, even an epilogue, would not suffice IMO, and I think alot of fans are thinking the same way.
Those endings are just awfully bad considering the saga they are supposed to end.
I personnally want an epic ending where we could see all our war assets and crew members fighting till the end, or even the normandy coming back to get his commander, i dunno. Just the epic ending this story promised us.
That's all I ask. My Shepard wouldn't have accepted any of those stupid choices.

Holding the line.

Modifié par Aethyl, 25 mars 2012 - 11:16 .


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Anyone think Bioware will be stupid enough to announce new DLC promising fixed endings, on April 1st?

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"And I'm going to do what you brought me back to do. I'll fight and win this war without compromising the soul of our species."

shepard would have found a better way

hold the line for shepard and each other

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Just one more link to the 3rd video from Archengeia about ME3 for those who may have missed the other one.  It's about 41 minutes long, but as with his other 2, I didn't even notice the time while watching it. 

Mass Effect 3: Responses to Comments, The Importance of Choice, and The Indoctrination Theory



Parts 1 and 2 are in my sig below, and everyone I think should watch Part 1 at the very least.

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Chainshada wrote...

Anyone think Bioware will be stupid enough to announce new DLC promising fixed endings, on April 1st?


They would be smarter to do it on 2nd or just before PAX but I have a feeling they plan to do it actually AT PAX

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Cyan-Glow wrote...

So, I've been thinking... What if April rolls around and they announce just more pre-final mission DLC and simply explain the ending, without offering additional choices content.

Do we simply say, forget it and give up, or do we keep pressing them to change the ending?


I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

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xHezz90 wrote...

Chainshada wrote...

Anyone think Bioware will be stupid enough to announce new DLC promising fixed endings, on April 1st?


They would be smarter to do it on 2nd or just before PAX but I have a feeling they plan to do it actually AT PAX

i also have a feeling that they're planning to release any information at pax. spare themselves some trouble, throw of any fans that have questions regarding the current ending and so on.. also.. since the whole panel was cut down to only on hour (?).. 

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Chainshada wrote...

Anyone think Bioware will be stupid enough to announce new DLC promising fixed endings, on April 1st?


April 1st is on a Sunday so the earliest they would release a statement is 2nd of April.

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i have cake and coffee and oh yeah.....triple distilled turian brandy and an emergency induction port accesory

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Catch you laters.

Keep holding the line.