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[Jetfire99]

One you young whipper snappers are making me feel old ;_; stop that. Two SSV Sechelt pulling out for the night. Keep on going. We need to support each other now as it's a long road ahead of us. So...

HOLD THE LINE!

[MeldarthX]

chmarr wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

an idea on a real bittersweet ending

starchild says his bit
shep tells him were to go
LI comes into the room(followed up the beam)
shep goes onto open channel and tell the fleet to wipe out the cat/citadel(all shipsfire on my signal)
joker comes on channel saying were coming to get you
shep tells him theres no time and orders him to stay away
then tells LI to try and escape
LI refuses sits down holds shep in arms
shep gives the order to fire
all ships fire
just before the hits shep says
"im comander shepard and this is my favourite place on the citadel"(bit of fan humour)
cgi time
after showing crew and vips in a won or lost sequence and your influance on the galaxy

*a few bits ive read over the last week mixed with my own thoughts

OR the citidel is a super sized thanx cannon

Wouldn't make sense or anymore sense than we have my friend.......if that was the case - say bye bye Earth and any other planet the reapers are on  

Only way to actually make any sort of sense of the chaos we call that ending is indoctrination - not just our Shepards but us as well......that's just my opinion


HOLD THE LINE

[VivaLaWhatsername]

I feel pathetic...you guys all have some kind of life and some kind of plan whereas I am 21, live at home and have no idea what I want to do with my life. Then when I try and think about it I end up with stomach pains and still have no clue what I want in life. (sorry for being off topic)

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Iucounou wrote...

I really can't see a way out of this mess for BW. Whether you believe the ending is simply a bad screw-up or, as I do, that they already have the ending and were planning to release it later for money, I can't find a way out for them that doesn't alienate some portion of their fan-base and make them look bad.

The best result I can think of (which works regardless of which theory about the endings you believe) is to announce in April that they are "working" on alternative endings. This buys them more time. Time for the anger to die down and time for the media to move on to other matters. They may produce some initial, half-assed "explanation" of the current ending, to keep the ending-likers happy and at odds with the rest of us.

Then, six months or so down the line, they release the alternative endings. Paid-for, of course, because by then they will have spun something about the costs of re-hiring the voice actors etc. and how much the ending has cost them etc. They'll be banking that, by then, people will have calmed down and be more "reasonable" about the whole affair. Also, by then, anyone that still clamours for a free DLC will be viewed with a certain amount of hostility and suspicion by the press and subject to ridicule.

By leaving it a good length of time, it gives them legitimacy.

Any thoughts?

Seems like a plan, I could live with 6 months as long as I know "things are in the pipeline", at the moment I can't get away from here

[Atrocity]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

I hope they don't speak like half the people I hear on xbox live

Only accent-wise My sociolinguistics teacher actually mentioned how she can't tell 12-year-old Finnish kids from 12-year-old American kids anymore, since they all talk alike. We we're joking with a fellow student though, how we'd make a study at the end of our master's degree about the creative word forming and compounding found after intensive baiting on Xbox Live. Maybe not though, I'm not sure of the scientific value such a research would have.

Phoenix NL wrote...

Ok well what would you ideally like to be doing?

The cynical answer is: translating and getting payed for it. Too bad these two do not usually meet here, mostly because many language students are desperate to get some work experience and enough cash to live on it, which is not nearly enough considering how much work and education it takes to be a decent translator.

But as you said, I have time, I'm still a freshman and all. Just feeling blue (or red, or green, can't tell the difference anymore), since I have this compulsory course, which I have named Working Life and Other Lies. About as useful as space magic.

[Maggot4ever]

I'm still trying to deduce how BioWare thought that the ending was closure. That was so incredibly ambiguous and open-ended it blows my mind.

[wicked_being]

So there's an official RME3 Cupcake Campaign?

http://social.biowar.../index/10635792

[-PG-Skyre]

Oh snap O_O...was just checking threads I made last year and realised that it was this time last year that Bioware did the "Community Event" that split the forums into Community members and Non-Community members. Coincidence?

[chmarr]

Iucounou wrote...

I really can't see a way out of this mess for BW. Whether you believe the ending is simply a bad screw-up or, as I do, that they already have the ending and were planning to release it later for money, I can't find a way out for them that doesn't alienate some portion of their fan-base and make them look bad.

The best result I can think of (which works regardless of which theory about the endings you believe) is to announce in April that they are "working" on alternative endings. This buys them more time. Time for the anger to die down and time for the media to move on to other matters. They may produce some initial, half-assed "explanation" of the current ending, to keep the ending-likers happy and at odds with the rest of us.

Then, six months or so down the line, they release the alternative endings. Paid-for, of course, because by then they will have spun something about the costs of re-hiring the voice actors etc. and how much the ending has cost them etc. They'll be banking that, by then, people will have calmed down and be more "reasonable" about the whole affair. Also, by then, anyone that still clamours for a free DLC will be viewed with a certain amount of hostility and suspicion by the press and subject to ridicule.

By leaving it a good length of time, it gives them legitimacy.

Any thoughts?

6 months down the line is a long long way off and whos to say the guys in charge of bioware right now might not even be there in a month because of there stupid PR ideas.

also if this drags out any longer more and more people will have finished it and the 2450 long threqd could turn into a thread 10 times longer with a LOT LOT more people backing us up for changed endings.

now if this was biowares plan all along it has MAJORLY backfired on them, damage control is way out the window now and as for the multiplayer bonuses ...i HATE the multiplayer crap, i would have prefered a co-op with 4 ppl as its more intresting, cover more of the area faster and on harder levels it would have been awesome.

[chujwamdotego]

Iucounou wrote...

I really can't see a way out of this mess for BW. Whether you believe the ending is simply a bad screw-up or, as I do, that they already have the ending and were planning to release it later for money, I can't find a way out for them that doesn't alienate some portion of their fan-base and make them look bad.

The best result I can think of (which works regardless of which theory about the endings you believe) is to announce in April that they are "working" on alternative endings. This buys them more time. Time for the anger to die down and time for the media to move on to other matters. They may produce some initial, half-assed "explanation" of the current ending, to keep the ending-likers happy and at odds with the rest of us.

Then, six months or so down the line, they release the alternative endings. Paid-for, of course, because by then they will have spun something about the costs of re-hiring the voice actors etc. and how much the ending has cost them etc. They'll be banking that, by then, people will have calmed down and be more "reasonable" about the whole affair. Also, by then, anyone that still clamours for a free DLC will be viewed with a certain amount of hostility and suspicion by the press and subject to ridicule.

By leaving it a good length of time, it gives them legitimacy.

Any thoughts?

I can live with 6 months. I can for alternate endings but in order for me to do that:
1. Bioware must firmly state that there will be "alternate" endings and some sort of "clarification and closure",
2. Bioware must ensure that alternate endings will be mulitple and allow to finish my Shep's story as I see fit.

I only wish they do not screw us up again

[silencemayday]

xHezz90 wrote...

I feel pathetic...you guys all have some kind of life and some kind of plan whereas I am 21, live at home and have no idea what I want to do with my life. Then when I try and think about it I end up with stomach pains and still have no clue what I want in life. (sorry for being off topic)

oh, but that's okay, isn't it? i have no ****ing clue where i want to be in only five years, but i don't worry too much about it. we are sill being raised with priorities and believes that don't actually apply to our generation and society anymore. you could almost say that we have pretty much everything open to us. you want to become an english teacher in guatemala? i can tell you more than four schools that would accept you without any prior training. you want to become a toll booth operater? why the hell not. and even if you figure out that it isn't what you want only two years later, well than you do something else, or study something else. some people take longer to find what they want to do. and that is totally okay. why the hell not? better than being stuck somewhere, where you don't want to be. doing work that doesn't make you happy is just wasted time. 

you should do what you want, what you enjoy and what gives you energy. 

and also sorry for offtopic. and this got kind of long. i hope you know what i'm trying to say. 

[MeldarthX]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Iucounou wrote...

I really can't see a way out of this mess for BW. Whether you believe the ending is simply a bad screw-up or, as I do, that they already have the ending and were planning to release it later for money, I can't find a way out for them that doesn't alienate some portion of their fan-base and make them look bad.

The best result I can think of (which works regardless of which theory about the endings you believe) is to announce in April that they are "working" on alternative endings. This buys them more time. Time for the anger to die down and time for the media to move on to other matters. They may produce some initial, half-assed "explanation" of the current ending, to keep the ending-likers happy and at odds with the rest of us.

Then, six months or so down the line, they release the alternative endings. Paid-for, of course, because by then they will have spun something about the costs of re-hiring the voice actors etc. and how much the ending has cost them etc. They'll be banking that, by then, people will have calmed down and be more "reasonable" about the whole affair. Also, by then, anyone that still clamours for a free DLC will be viewed with a certain amount of hostility and suspicion by the press and subject to ridicule.

By leaving it a good length of time, it gives them legitimacy.

Any thoughts?

Seems like a plan, I could live with 6 months as long as I know "things are in the pipeline", at the moment I can't get away from here

Honestly - I've stated from the beginning - I think they tried to not just indoctrinate our shepards but us also - but because of misques - only having the app on Ipad - big mistake - and not being able to have PR to play it that way.........We're in the mess.......

They finishing the ending - because what we have now is a cliffhanger.........can they come back and say we had this planned from the beginning?  Not now - the PR is a complete mess.....

I also don't think they will charge for it - I still have some faith in BW - just hope its not misplaced

[AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ]

toffeetrooper wrote...

an idea on a real bittersweet ending

starchild says his bit
shep tells him were to go
LI comes into the room(followed up the beam)
shep goes onto open channel and tell the fleet to wipe out the cat/citadel(all shipsfire on my signal)
joker comes on channel saying were coming to get you
shep tells him theres no time and orders him to stay away
then tells LI to try and escape
LI refuses sits down holds shep in arms
shep gives the order to fire
all ships fire
just before the hits shep says
"im comander shepard and this is my favourite place on the citadel"(bit of fan humour)
cgi time
after showing crew and vips in a won or lost sequence and your influance on the galaxy

*a few bits ive read over the last week mixed with my own thoughts

This is sweet.  Without the Catalyst (Citadel/Godchild) the reapers are incapacitated.  Shepard dies with LI, galaxy can win or lose.  Everyone can fill in the rest.  Awesome and this is actually bittersweet, not like the real ending.

[Fallenfromthesky]

xHezz90 wrote...

I feel pathetic...you guys all have some kind of life and some kind of plan whereas I am 21, live at home and have no idea what I want to do with my life. Then when I try and think about it I end up with stomach pains and still have no clue what I want in life. (sorry for being off topic)

Take whatever hobby you have and start teaching it to kids I did and  its absolutley brilliant. Alos looks fantastic on a CV or application as its shows responsibility and leadership. 

[-PG-Skyre]

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...
*snip*

This is sweet.  Without the Catalyst (Citadel/Godchild) the reapers are incapacitated.  Shepard dies with LI, galaxy can win or lose.  Everyone can fill in the rest.  Awesome and this is actually bittersweet, not like the real ending.

Could have higher EMS = Joker has more time to get in and save shepard.

[Fallenfromthesky]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Could have higher EMS = Joker has more time to get in and save shepard.

This^ makes me feel like the EMS actually makes a difference to the ending still love both ideas

[toffeetrooper]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...
*snip*

This is sweet.  Without the Catalyst (Citadel/Godchild) the reapers are incapacitated.  Shepard dies with LI, galaxy can win or lose.  Everyone can fill in the rest.  Awesome and this is actually bittersweet, not like the real ending.

Could have higher EMS = Joker has more time to get in and save shepard.

this i like have it as an uber ending

[toffeetrooper]

"Hope is what makes us strong. It is why we are here. It is what we fight with when all else is lost. "

hold the line

[silencemayday]

you all seem so 'optimistic'.. i'm way more pessimistic myself. my actual thoughts on all this pretty much contradict my constant presence here. i don't actually think that they're going to change anything, or in that regard do anything. i don't think they imagined that there would be such a backlash from the community. i think they actually believed that they could get away with it. and i don't see them making any changes. sure, they're going to lose a lot of customers and trust. but give it a year or two and even those people will come back for newer titles. and bla..

yeah, i don't actually know why i'm here. maybe just to know that i still tried my best. i actually want to hope for the best. but i'm trying to bury all my hope. better than getting disappointed again.

[evisneffo]

xHezz90 wrote...

I feel pathetic...you guys all have some kind of life and some kind of plan whereas I am 21, live at home and have no idea what I want to do with my life. Then when I try and think about it I end up with stomach pains and still have no clue what I want in life. (sorry for being off topic)

Hey man don't be too down on yourself. There's still a lot of life ahead of you for you to discover what you'd like to do. And even if you start off someplace without a clue where you're going, there's still time to change tack further on and take where you've already gone as learning experience

I'm a couple of years up on you and pretty much in the same position so kind of know how it feels ... I guess (to steer back on topic somewhat) if anything this whole Retake thing has made realise how little else there is in my life to care about right now. But for now, there's not much else to do except keep going forward.

TL;DR keep your chin up soldier!

wicked_being wrote...

So there's an official RME3 Cupcake Campaign?

http://social.biowar.../index/10635792

:D:D Oh golly hahahahah thanks for bringing this up. This has got to be one of the most hilarious forms of protest there is.

[chujwamdotego]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Could have higher EMS = Joker has more time to get in and save shepard.

This^ makes me feel like the EMS actually makes a difference to the ending still love both ideas

Yeah, the possibility to have Shep and LI alive seems important to many fans.

Why just not give it?

Because of some "art" fetish?

Come on....

[toffeetrooper]

silencemayday wrote...

you all seem so 'optimistic'.. i'm way more pessimistic myself. my actual thoughts on all this pretty much contradict my constant presence here. i don't actually think that they're going to change anything, or in that regard do anything. i don't think they imagined that there would be such a backlash from the community. i think they actually believed that they could get away with it. and i don't see them making any changes. sure, they're going to lose a lot of customers and trust. but give it a year or two and even those people will come back for newer titles. and bla..

yeah, i don't actually know why i'm here. maybe just to know that i still tried my best. i actually want to hope for the best. but i'm trying to bury all my hope. better than getting disappointed again.

see my above quote

[VivaLaWhatsername]

silencemayday wrote...

oh, but that's okay, isn't it? i have no ****ing clue where i want to be in only five years, but i don't worry too much about it. we are sill being raised with priorities and believes that don't actually apply to our generation and society anymore. you could almost say that we have pretty much everything open to us. you want to become an english teacher in guatemala? i can tell you more than four schools that would accept you without any prior training. you want to become a toll booth operater? why the hell not. and even if you figure out that it isn't what you want only two years later, well than you do something else, or study something else. some people take longer to find what they want to do. and that is totally okay. why the hell not? better than being stuck somewhere, where you don't want to be. doing work that doesn't make you happy is just wasted time. 

you should do what you want, what you enjoy and what gives you energy. 

and also sorry for offtopic. and this got kind of long. i hope you know what i'm trying to say. 

Thanks for that, I guess you're right it's just so annoying really that I sit here without a clue on what I want to do and it's made harder by the fact I'm not very smart so that limits things. At the moment I would just like to get some retail job or something to get me money so I can save up for the one thing in my pathetic life I know I want
To move back to Scotland.

Anyway, again I'm sorry for being off topic I'm going to head off now anyway.

SSV Auckland signing off
Keep It Civil
Keep It Real
& As Always
Hold The Line!

[Atrocity]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...
*snip*

This is sweet.  Without the Catalyst (Citadel/Godchild) the reapers are incapacitated.  Shepard dies with LI, galaxy can win or lose.  Everyone can fill in the rest.  Awesome and this is actually bittersweet, not like the real ending.

Could have higher EMS = Joker has more time to get in and save shepard.

You ever decide to run for president, I'll support you for that sentence alone.
I agree completely with AngryJoe, "why the f*** not a happy ending Bioware?". They made it possible for the other two games, and I actually ahd to work quite a bit to get everyone alive through suicide mission in ME2, and I like to work for things ONLY if they reward me for it.

[AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...
*snip*

This is sweet.  Without the Catalyst (Citadel/Godchild) the reapers are incapacitated.  Shepard dies with LI, galaxy can win or lose.  Everyone can fill in the rest.  Awesome and this is actually bittersweet, not like the real ending.

Could have higher EMS = Joker has more time to get in and save shepard.

Sure, maybe, but I do not think it is necessary.  If BW really wanted to kill shepard that is completely okay, but give him a good death with some resolution.  I think EMS could affect which squadmates/former squadmates make it.  Shepard does not have to live, IMO.