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[infinitekilan]

The longer this goes on, more coincidences and curious things keep popping up. I'm really starting to think there's a larger agenda behind all this.

[toffeetrooper]

@cybermortis

hair extensions?

[BigglesFlysAgain]

infinitekilan wrote...

The longer this goes on, more coincidences and curious things keep popping up. I'm really starting to think there's a larger agenda behind all this.

Not quite time for the aluminium foil caps yet

[Atrocity]

Cybermortis wrote...
 I noticed that ME3 is meant to take place six months after ME2...which made me ask how Jack managed to grow a pony tail in that time? A new biotic power maybe? 'I will extend you!'

Only six months? Umm, wow, I remember hearing that figure, but I thought it was like... I don't know, the crew flew around in Normandy for couple of months and that was the reference point for the mentioned six months.

Kudos to Jack for the hair, and for Garrus for climbing the ranks. Six months and he's giving advice to the primarch from the rank of Space Batman. Guy's efficient.

[TamiBx]

chosen_trekie wrote...

I think I just thought of a worse ending for ME3. Shepard is about to open the Citadel when his/her LI shows up. The LI has been indoctrinated and kills Shepard before he can open the Citadel.

Bioware, do not, I repeat, do not use this an idea. 
Ok, thanks!

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Atrocity wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...
 I noticed that ME3 is meant to take place six months after ME2...which made me ask how Jack managed to grow a pony tail in that time? A new biotic power maybe? 'I will extend you!'

Only six months? Umm, wow, I remember hearing that figure, but I thought it was like... I don't know, the crew flew around in Normandy for couple of months and that was the reference point for the mentioned six months.

Kudos to Jack for the hair, and for Garrus for climbing the ranks. Six months and he's giving advice to the primarch from the rank of Space Batman. Guy's efficient.

Well it starts about 5 months after your trial, which is shortly after the Arrival DLC,  His high up position is mainly his family connections, and being the only turian reaper "expert"

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 26 mars 2012 - 02:02 .

[Sacred Of the Grey Wardens]

Atrocity wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...
 I noticed that ME3 is meant to take place six months after ME2...which made me ask how Jack managed to grow a pony tail in that time? A new biotic power maybe? 'I will extend you!'

Only six months? Umm, wow, I remember hearing that figure, but I thought it was like... I don't know, the crew flew around in Normandy for couple of months and that was the reference point for the mentioned six months.

Kudos to Jack for the hair, and for Garrus for climbing the ranks. Six months and he's giving advice to the primarch from the rank of Space Batman. Guy's efficient.

Now whenever I see Garrus I'll imagine him wearing Batman's outfit......

[TamiBx]

Atrocity wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...
 I noticed that ME3 is meant to take place six months after ME2...which made me ask how Jack managed to grow a pony tail in that time? A new biotic power maybe? 'I will extend you!'

Only six months? Umm, wow, I remember hearing that figure, but I thought it was like... I don't know, the crew flew around in Normandy for couple of months and that was the reference point for the mentioned six months.

Kudos to Jack for the hair, and for Garrus for climbing the ranks. Six months and he's giving advice to the primarch from the rank of Space Batman. Guy's efficient.

Hmm...extensions? lol I don't know, it's the only explanation I can come up with.
And I think it was 6 months from Arrival, so...technically they could've been flying around between suicide mission and DLC, right? 

[Rdubs]

Xellith wrote...

Aedera wrote...

Rather I should say that we are advising our friend not to buy it. Sad that is the case but unless new endings come out, I can't recommend the game.

Ive already convinced about 5 friends not to buy it.

BINGO.  RIGHT HERE is all the proof you need why the whole "Indoctrination theory" is just fan creative wishful thinking.  In fact there are two very simple facts which disprove that whole theory:

1) Bioware cares about maximizing sales more than anything now that the product has been released.  Just look at the quotes above, TONS of people are screaming from the rooftops: do not buy this game.  Bioware of course knows this is going on.  Do you really think that if they had an ace up their sleeve, they wouldn't at least HINT that maybe there's more to the game - instead of letting these pissed-off fans continue to erode sales?  Of course not.

2) I think it was mazuka who made a comment regarding the ending, something about the need to maintain "artistic integrity."  The only thing is, "artistic integrity" DOES NOT NEED TO BE DEFENDED IF THE ART IS NOT FINISHED.  The fact that he's doing so means there is no secret additional content, what you see is what you get.

Modifié par Rdubs, 26 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[DJBare]

TamiBx wrote...

chosen_trekie wrote...
I think I just thought of a worse ending for ME3. Shepard is about to open the Citadel when his/her LI shows up. The LI has been indoctrinated and kills Shepard before he can open the Citadel.

Bioware, do not, I repeat, do not use this an idea. 
Ok, thanks!

I think it's a great idea, faced with shooting your Li or letting the reapers win, now that would be an incredibly emotional moment.

[Atrocity]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Well it starts about 5 months after your trial, which is shortly after the Arrival DLC,  His high up position is mainly his family connections, and being the only turian reaper "expert"

Oh, I never played Arrival, to the date the only Bioware DLC I don't own, that explains why I'm clueless from time to time.

And I got that from the conversations, I just still have hard time believing Turian hierarchy would be so hasty with promotions, even if his daddy is a big-shot. Was that btw ever established? I know his dad was a C-Sec officer, but I have no idea what his rank is inside the hierarchy. Other than being the father of the goddamn Space Batman 

[XTiferethX]

Anything new happened?

[BigglesFlysAgain]

DJBare wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

chosen_trekie wrote...
I think I just thought of a worse ending for ME3. Shepard is about to open the Citadel when his/her LI shows up. The LI has been indoctrinated and kills Shepard before he can open the Citadel.

Bioware, do not, I repeat, do not use this an idea. 
Ok, thanks!

I think it's a great idea, faced with shooting your Li or letting the reapers win, now that would be an incredibly emotional moment.

Hmmm, mabye not your LI, but a betrayal from within the crew could have been interesting, but it would still ****** a lot of people off, you could always shoot their gun hand or somthing anyway

[GroverA125]

VonVerrikan wrote...

Blanket community question! How many of you are actually interested in playing prequel content now that you know how the universe apparently ends? Do tell!

If you were well aware that you were going to die in three months, would you continue working? If you and your spouse knew that if you had a child, it would spend its entire life suffering from a disease that you know will kill them painfully, would you bother trying to have a kid? If you knew that whatever business you run was going to go out of business, would you stick working with them? If you had a vintage model of something, and you knew that it would fall apart the instant you remove it from it's packaging, would you take it  out of the box?

No, I won't be buying any DLC that isn't based around resolving the CURRENT problems, not adding more problems. If I knew I was going to get DLC that is based around a bunch of new problems and not solve the current ones, I'd not buy anything in future.

Modifié par GroverA125, 26 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[toffeetrooper]

time for work, check in later

hold the line

[-PG-Skyre]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

infinitekilan wrote...

The longer this goes on, more coincidences and curious things keep popping up. I'm really starting to think there's a larger agenda behind all this.

Not quite time for the aluminium foil caps yet

Dont need the foil caps...but I'm starting to make connections between Bioware stuffups and gaming conventions...they did it 2 years ago, exact same time...leading right into PAX. Maybe an attention grab, in order to get more eyes on them during PAX?
Just seems so redundant...and I honestly cant imagine any half decent writer going "Oh, this fits well" for what we have no.

[Cybermortis]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xelv88 wrote...

 Just wanted to ask a clarification point of the community based on a focal point I've read in the past few weeks of discussion.  Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

If I'm not mistaken, the common understanding/excuse is that the ME writing team was "rushed" in making the ending.  This "rushed" state contributed in no small part to the problematic quality of production we've all come to, um, know and love.  Reasons thrown around have been the leaked script forcing a rewrite, crazy EA executives, a Casey Hudson creative meltdown... etc.

Now, a lot goes into making a story-rich ending to a story-rich game, everything from the writing to finalizing cinematic production.  So I guess it makes sense that they could only do so much with limited time.

... hang on a second.  Something doesn't fit there.  I'll let this guy sum up the complaints about the ending.

Sounds like most of the complaints have nothing to do with the really time-consuming production facets.  No, I think we can all agree that our main problem with the ending is the storyline, the writing.

Have you ever been part of a hard-core brainstorming session?  As in, lock a group of creative and/or task-oriented people in a room for, say, 12 hours to solve a problem?  As an engineer, I've been in plenty of those.  While I am no writer, I'm going to be honest: I find it very difficult to believe that any group of remotely talented people, if given a devoted 12 hours (again: a mere single all-nighter) to brainstorm and plan, could come up with the storyline we've been given and say "yep, looks good".  I'm sorry, but that is almost as incomprehensible as the ending itself.  And yet the apologetic assumption I've seen cited the most is that this is exactly what happened - given some amount of "short" time, the entire writing team could not come up with better.  

I don't buy that, not at all.  If the cinematic quality had been bad, I would buy it.  If the dialogue had been poorly delivered, I'd buy that.  But the story?  Really?  There is no amount of time short enough to validate this... literary disaster.

Am I missing something?

 

Nope you hit the nail on the head.   What I think happend is that these endings were thought up with seperate of the wrting team with no real imput or  checking by anyone else.

I *think* that the missing bit is the leak of the ending towards the end of last year, which caused them to come to the decision to do a different ending at the 11th hour. This was coupled with techical problems that prevented them from being able to do a couple of things in game, which further resulted in a trimming of the ending. 

This is not an excuse for the pitiful ending, or anything related to it. But it is an explination as to how they ended up there. Apart from anything else I really don't understand why they felt the need to change the ending after the leak - I mean everyone knew how Revenge of the Sith was going to end - in fact I think the ending was known 20 years before it was even written. But Lucas didn't feel the need to change the story, figuring (correctly) that people would still go see the film even if they knew the ending.

[DJBare]

Atrocity wrote...

Oh, I never played Arrival,

One of the lucky ones heh, in the end Arrival had no meaning in ME3 accept a couple of lines from Anderson.

[TamiBx]

DJBare wrote...

I think it's a great idea, faced with shooting your Li or letting the reapers win, now that would be an incredibly emotional moment.

Ok, I'm fine if this is one of the options. Actually, I think it's great for a "bad" ending, but if this is the only one, than no. 

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Also, thinking about the devs from other companies defending biowares right to the ending they want seem to miss the point, that with something like bioshock, each game is unique and only in a small way related to the previous games, and if they screwed up bioshock 2 (for example) they can go oh, well we can do better next time, but for the mass effect series there is no next time, once you have bunged up the ending so bad there is no next time to improve.

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 26 mars 2012 - 02:11 .

[Bubi7]

quite funny how there are dozens of conspiracies arising, most make at least a bit of sense, but the weird thing is, there is no clear and definite approval or denial from EA/Bioware. That's what bothers me still.

Or did I miss a definite and clear answer?

Also Shepard becoming the new catalyst sounds terrible, and resembles the typical hero becoming antihero for some weird and farfetched reason. If you want to do this, do it Picard like. Everyone knows the fact catalyst=shepard, and crew members go into the reaper hive, and rescue Shepard, isolating her/him from the reaper cube.. I mean catalyst hive-thing. When Shepard is rescued, they need to seperate a single reaper from the hive, too (like Seven of Nine)

..... Engage.


PS: just realized I watched too much Star Trek.. disregard my last paragraph

Modifié par Bubi7, 26 mars 2012 - 02:14 .

[Atrocity]

DJBare wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

Oh, I never played Arrival,

One of the lucky ones heh, in the end Arrival had no meaning in ME3 accept a couple of lines from Anderson.

But it all evens out in the grand scheme, since I had to download ME3 files from Origin, since for some reason it refused to instal from my physical dvds, just saying that the product code was already registered (yes, by me). 
And I don't see myself playing Arrival before the ending is fixed, meaningless missions are somehow not at the moment what I want to do, wonder why. Though of course, inherently meaningless task is better than one which was supposed to have meaning.

[Iucounou]

Atrocity wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...
 I noticed that ME3 is meant to take place six months after ME2...which made me ask how Jack managed to grow a pony tail in that time? A new biotic power maybe? 'I will extend you!'

Only six months? Umm, wow, I remember hearing that figure, but I thought it was like... I don't know, the crew flew around in Normandy for couple of months and that was the reference point for the mentioned six months.

Kudos to Jack for the hair, and for Garrus for climbing the ranks. Six months and he's giving advice to the primarch from the rank of Space Batman. Guy's efficient.

Let's not forget Ashley. Went from what was it? Gunnery Chief in the first game to Lt. Commander in ME3. In all three games she was abrasive, had questionable judgemental capabilities and was anything but level-headed. Just the sorts of qualities, apparently, that get you a meteoric rise in military ranks.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Well after this all all over we can enjoy one of those history channel "Seconds from disaster-mass effect 3" documentaries,

[Sevantha]

Rdubs wrote...


BINGO.  RIGHT HERE is all the proof you need why the whole "Indoctrination theory" is just fan creative wishful thinking.  In fact there are two very simple facts which disprove that whole theory:

1) Bioware cares about maximizing sales more than anything now that the product has been released.  Just look at the quotes above, TONS of people are screaming from the rooftops: do not buy this game.  Bioware of course knows this is going on.  Do you really think that if they had an ace up their sleeve, they wouldn't at least HINT that maybe there's more to the game - instead of letting these pissed-off fans continue to erode sales?  Of course not.

to be fair at the beginning of this, the comments made on twitter seemed to be hinting in that direction, if you were a believer. Saying if we only knew what they had planned and so on. I mean that can be taken as a hint, but that all seemes to have vanished now.

While you are right that its very unlikely they have planned anything in that direction, doenst mean they wont use it, now that its out there and so well "researched". it would be easy for them to pick it up and go with it as their idea.

But however you put it, it really seems weird to me, they haven't really done anything. They have released some blogposts and twitter things and told us to wait til april without really giving us something real.
Just doens't seem to be the right way of handling this atm, does it?
If this was up to me, I would say yes we are going to do this and that, I'd prolly have them release a trailer for it right now, to save the sales but they dont seem to be very intrested in that.
Can't tell me the sales are going good, the game has been voted down on every website that supports user reviews, i doubt a new player will pick up mass effect say from amazon where it has like 2 stars
Add to that all the players who have finished and told their friends not to. I myself told at least three people not to bother with it.
So why aren't they doing anything to fix this issue? the longer this keeps going, the less people will be here, when they finally decide to release something.