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Ooohhh, I see... They wanted the cannon back so they could install it on the moon of Palaven for extra defense capabilities against Space MagicImage IPB


Yeah, it's like 20 point War Asset and they painted it red/blue/green just for the heck of it.
And to think I didn't use to have any problems with whole readyness rating system... Though the more I think of it, the lazier it seems, though the basic concept is still kind of good.


Yea... The readiness rating system would actually have been kinda cool if it actually made any impact on the ending of the game... Like refusing the ''My logic is undeniable.'' thing the godchild had going... I know my Shep would steal the line from the Krogan on Feros in ME1. ''Dammit, tell me what I want or i'll blast your virtual ass into actual dust!''

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Hmm speaking of which, my memory is rusty, did Space Batman ever explain how he came across schematics for the better main gun in ME2? I guess he has spent enough time with calibrations to actually have memorized it, and what happens on Omega stays on Omega, but still, I find it curious how these 'cutting edge technology' upgrades are always found laying around in someone's bathroom or such in the games :whistle:


Read the codex lol, some poor turians combing through every piece of soverign on the citadel managed to reverse engie it

Edit. but how it came into his hands I don't know


Precisely my point. In ME2,  the council, especially the love of my life, the Turian councilor *glare of hatred* have dismissed the Reaper claim, so there should be no reason for turians to go around handing this once-in-a-life-time gun's schematics to everyone, especially since Garrus went batman on Omega and has no real connection to the fleet (at least that I can remember). 

Ok, I say he found this piece of info inside a space pirate apartment in Omega, after taking down its' wealthy yet unmoral owner, who would have sold it to batarian rebels. Now I'm at peace ;)

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That's not the Thanix cannon, those are Gardian "Lasers". They're mounted on the wings of the Normandy, it's the weapon you fire if you didn't upgrade to the Thanix.

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Tyion133 wrote...

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I wondered about this as well. My first throughts were that 'updating' ME1 to use the ME3 engine would be quite possible...Then I remembered that ME1 has the Mako, which you can leave at any point (unlike its replacement in ME2 which you could only leave at set points). So I don't think that updating ME1 would be possible without some major re-working of the engine.


Hmm... Should still be possible though... Would have like the weapon-selection thing from ME3 in the other 2 games as well... Was awesome that you could select what type of weapons you wanted to bring along instead of the ''default'' every weapon in ME1 and some weapons in ME2


Oh it would be perfectly possible to remake ME1 using the engine from ME3. It is just that you'd have to tinker with the engine to get the Mako parts to work correctly - and you can't just cut those parts out because they are too intergral to the game itself. Such tinkering would take a considerable amount of time, money and play-testing that I seriously doubt anyone would be willing to do it at the moment.

Now if they fix the ending of ME3, I could see someone deciding that it might be worth the time and effort to update both ME1 and ME2 and package them all together as a single 'game' split into three parts - which would be jaw-droppingly good. But...this would require indications people would buy it, and with the current fury over ME3's ending and its poor sales this is unlikely. Those people who might have been interested going back to play ME1 will either have the game already, or have been put off by ME3's pitiful ending.

Now if they give people a good ending to ME3 and sales start to raise, then I wouldn't be surprised if this option was considered as a post DLC release. In fact depending on how much time and effort would be needed to do this it might even have been a viable option for a release before any ME4 game - a HUGE game with all the DLC, and maybe some extras that were not available for general sale, to get people interested in the franchse again a few months before you release ME4.

Humm, anyone else thinking I'm having some better business ideas that Bioware itself at this point? 

They could even do this if they don't change the ending of ME3 as it stands, by producing a new ending for the 'Ultimate' ME pack in a year or so's time. I, at least, would be considering this if ME3 doesn't get a fixed ending and sales continue to vanish after PAX as it *might* renew interest in a flagging company and series.

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Something that has been bugging me for a while now but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then it came to me.

Why call the mega-macguffin the Crucible? If it was a weapon, why not call it the Hammer, or the Anvil?

And why Crucible, not Forge?

Crucible is a very specific word. I'd like to think it was chosen for a reason. I looked up the definition, just to be sure:

http://www.thefreedi...ry.com/crucible

Particularly I'm looking at the definition which says:

"A severe test, as of patience or belief; a trial."

Maybe BW had this in mind all along? That the Crucible wasn't a weapon as such. It was where Shepard would face a test of his beliefs and that test would determine if he was worthy enough to go on to destroy the Reapers?

Just thinking out loud.... don't lynch me! It just seemed a very particular word to use to describe something that was supposedly a weapon, that's all.

I have thought about this as well, but if that is what it really was then BW legitimatly gave us a game without an ending.  If the Crucible was literally a dream at the end of the game then the breath scene would be where you got hit with the reaper beam.  The war is not finished, Earth has not fallen or risen, the repears have not been repealed.
This would all be ok if this was the second game of a trilogy, or number three of four, but this is supposed to be the last game of this story arc.
So if you are right (personally I think you are) the ending, or lack thereof,  still sucks.



I don't get, why so many people don't get this:

If all was a dream of indoctrination, this is NOT how the game should end!!! This is just a way out for Bioware to say: "well, we all fooled you, the endings you got were all in Shepards mind. Now he wakes up and we give you the real ending where all your choices matter, where you see all the war assets in actual battle, where each ME1, 2, and 3 Character gets their epic scene of glory, fighting for earth, and where you will get closure in form of a cinematic or text epilogue that shows you what happens to the galaxy"

Indoctrination is NOT the ending we want, it is a theory to explain the current, terrible endings, while giving Bioware a legit way to FIX it, and give us better ones!

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Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Ooohhh, I see... They wanted the cannon back so they could install it on the moon of Palaven for extra defense capabilities against Space MagicImage IPB


Yeah, it's like 20 point War Asset and they painted it red/blue/green just for the heck of it.
And to think I didn't use to have any problems with whole readyness rating system... Though the more I think of it, the lazier it seems, though the basic concept is still kind of good.


War assets would have been great if at the end you could pick which ones to use use at certain times like the suicide mission. Oh, and if you didn't need to play multiplayer to to get an EMS for extra ending scene

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Can I please remind folk, this thread is about supporting a new ending to ME3 not company bashing, while I realise your passion and to some extent understand, we are on the privately owned EA/Bioware forums, if I invite you into my home and you start criticising me and my home I have every right to kick you out, Bioware so far have shown a great deal of tolerance to this thread, lets not give them reason to kick us out.

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Yeah I've been picturing Vent Boy as Vicky from I robot. "My logic is undeniable! My logic is undeniable!"
Which is followed by Shepherd/Will Smith saying "You have so got to die." as he stabs a syringe full of nanobots into Vent Boy/Vicky's head, and he/she dies a horrible death.

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mauro2222 wrote...

That's not the Thanix cannon, those are Gardian "Lasers". They're mounted on the wings of the Normandy, it's the weapon you fire if you didn't upgrade to the Thanix.



Oh god, I really don't want to get into frame by frame analysis of the game now :unsure:, sure all the guardian systems operate in a realistic not visable off axis laser way, when joker shoots the fighers the shot is coming from the belly of the normandy,

Please lets admit the game has bigger issues than sci fi nitpicking :lol:

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Tyion133 wrote...

Yea... The readiness rating system would actually have been kinda cool if it actually made any impact on the ending of the game... Like refusing the ''My logic is undeniable.'' thing the godchild had going... I know my Shep would steal the line from the Krogan on Feros in ME1. ''Dammit, tell me what I want or i'll blast your virtual ass into actual dust!''


I knew I should've brought krogans with me to the Crucible. It would have made things less complicated. A lot less complicated.

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Precisely my point. In ME2,  the council, especially the love of my life, the Turian councilor *glare of hatred* have dismissed the Reaper claim, so there should be no reason for turians to go around handing this once-in-a-life-time gun's schematics to everyone, especially since Garrus went batman on Omega and has no real connection to the fleet (at least that I can remember). 

Ok, I say he found this piece of info inside a space pirate apartment in Omega, after taking down its' wealthy yet unmoral owner, who would have sold it to batarian rebels. Now I'm at peace ;)


Secret plans for weapons that have been reverse-engineered from something that doesnt exist?
''Ahhh yes. ''Secret plans'' We have dismissed those claims''

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Atrocity wrote...

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It is used at the start of the battle he shoots two fighters with it, but like the  reaper beams its based on its a lot more short ranged than any mass accelerator weapon


I'll take your word for it. Because the other option would be downgrading, because, I don't know, Turian fleet called and wanted it back.


One of the war assets you can find is another Alliance Frigate. It is noted in the codex entry that the Thanx Cannon is now the standard main gun for Alliance Frigates - or presumably the newer Frigates anyway.

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Any updates today?

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SiriusXI wrote...

Indoctrination is NOT the ending we want, it is a theory to explain the current, terrible endings, while giving Bioware a legit way to FIX it, and give us better ones!

My biggest worry is that whatever happens in April it'll confirm the ending, or offer me something better written but still depressing. At least indoctrination makes the rest of the game playable, as long as you stop just before you get to the end.

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Secret plans for weapons that have been reverse-engineered from something that doesnt exist?
''Ahhh yes. ''Secret plans'' We have dismissed those claims''


Not to mention that turian fleet might be a bit iffy about sharing/unbalancing military power. I'd be a bit iffy about it at least.

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Atrocity wrote...

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Secret plans for weapons that have been reverse-engineered from something that doesnt exist?
''Ahhh yes. ''Secret plans'' We have dismissed those claims''


Not to mention that turian fleet might be a bit iffy about sharing/unbalancing military power. I'd be a bit iffy about it at least.


Well... The Turians have the biggest military fleet in the ME-Universe, their entire society is built up around the military... I doubt anyone would ever mess with them... Besides us humans and the reapers

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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

That's not the Thanix cannon, those are Gardian "Lasers". They're mounted on the wings of the Normandy, it's the weapon you fire if you didn't upgrade to the Thanix.


Oh god, I really don't want to get into frame by frame analysis of the game now :unsure:, sure all the guardian systems operate in a realistic not visable off axis laser way, when joker shoots the fighers the shot is coming from the belly of the normandy,

Please lets admit the game has bigger issues than sci fi nitpicking :lol:


Well, it has to do with the ending cinematic and final battle, because nobody seems to use the Thanix cannon... and it was supossed to be mounted in every ship, in fact we can't see nothing of the war assets working. It all comes down to war assets, wich are numbers and not physical things. Damn, what I would give to see rachni warriors tearing apart a brute.

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Reorte wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

Indoctrination is NOT the ending we want, it is a theory to explain the current, terrible endings, while giving Bioware a legit way to FIX it, and give us better ones!

My biggest worry is that whatever happens in April it'll confirm the ending, or offer me something better written but still depressing. At least indoctrination makes the rest of the game playable, as long as you stop just before you get to the end.



my biggest worry is starting to look true.

the final missions were removed so it could be sold as DLC

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Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Secret plans for weapons that have been reverse-engineered from something that doesnt exist?
''Ahhh yes. ''Secret plans'' We have dismissed those claims''


Not to mention that turian fleet might be a bit iffy about sharing/unbalancing military power. I'd be a bit iffy about it at least.


Well... The Turians have the biggest military fleet in the ME-Universe, their entire society is built up around the military... I doubt anyone would ever mess with them... Besides us humans and the reapers


the quarians have the biggest fleet in the entire ME universe and ALL of the ships have weapons, so in a sense, the turians have NOTHING over the quarians

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Well, it has to do with the ending cinematic and final battle, because nobody seems to use the Thanix cannon... and it was supossed to be mounted in every ship, in fact we can't see nothing of the war assets working. It all comes down to war assets, wich are numbers and not physical things. Damn, what I would give to see rachni warriors tearing apart a brute.



I agree, its stated that they are fitted to most frigates by that point, but in the battle all we see are a lot of cloned alliance cruisers, the end battle should be a lot more detailed and change more becuse of your choices I agree. Its just a lack of detail on biowares part

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Another publication picked up on the story. The New Yorker agrees that the ending is bad, but that fans shouldn't be asking for a new ending because... it's art. Ugh, so sick of this argument, but I guess it is the only one they have. My favorite quotation in the article is "Perhaps those who are disappointed ought to consider that, as in real life, there are some things that no amount of heroism can overcome." 
They are right - heroism can't overcome space magic and plot holes. :wizard:

http://www.newyorker...fects-fans.html

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chmarr wrote...

the quarians have the biggest fleet in the entire ME universe and ALL of the ships have weapons, so in a sense, the turians have NOTHING over the quarians


Well, turians are essentially all trained legioneers, whereas quarians are mostly civilians :unsure:

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chmarr wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Secret plans for weapons that have been reverse-engineered from something that doesnt exist?
''Ahhh yes. ''Secret plans'' We have dismissed those claims''


Not to mention that turian fleet might be a bit iffy about sharing/unbalancing military power. I'd be a bit iffy about it at least.


Well... The Turians have the biggest military fleet in the ME-Universe, their entire society is built up around the military... I doubt anyone would ever mess with them... Besides us humans and the reapers


the quarians have the biggest fleet in the entire ME universe and ALL of the ships have weapons, so in a sense, the turians have NOTHING over the quarians


Yea, but the quarians dont have the numbers to go to war, they even say so themselves.

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I was expecting to see EVERY races ships in the final fight. I sooo wanted to see rachni fighting reapers in space and on the ground. Not to mention elcor acting like living tanks, with hundreds of stuped jelly fish with lots and lots of guns hehehe