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[juggernautze]

chmarr wrote...

the quarians have the biggest fleet in the entire ME universe and ALL of the ships have weapons, so in a sense, the turians have NOTHING over the quarians

Well, I think it's said in the game that despite technically having the largest fleet, the quarians don't have the firepower to actually rival the turians.

[18 Brains]

RatedRRachel wrote...

Another publication picked up on the story. The New Yorker agrees that the ending is bad, but that fans shouldn't be asking for a new ending because... it's art. Ugh, so sick of this argument, but I guess it is the only one they have. My favorite quotation in the article is "Perhaps those who are disappointed ought to consider that, as in real life, there are some things that no amount of heroism can overcome." 
They are right - heroism can't overcome space magic and plot holes. 

http://www.newyorker...fects-fans.html

You forgot the rest of the quote: "It may not be as pleasant as a happy ending, but hey--that's art."

"Ah yes, art."

[BigglesFlysAgain]

18 Brains wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

Another publication picked up on the story. The New Yorker agrees that the ending is bad, but that fans shouldn't be asking for a new ending because... it's art. Ugh, so sick of this argument, but I guess it is the only one they have. My favorite quotation in the article is "Perhaps those who are disappointed ought to consider that, as in real life, there are some things that no amount of heroism can overcome." 
They are right - heroism can't overcome space magic and plot holes. 

http://www.newyorker...fects-fans.html

You forgot the rest of the quote: "It may not be as pleasant as a happy ending, but hey--that's art."

"Ah yes, art."

Just picks up on the worst people, and Ignores the fact that NJ was not blown up at the end of the sopranos

[Atrocity]

juggernautze wrote...

chmarr wrote...

the quarians have the biggest fleet in the entire ME universe and ALL of the ships have weapons, so in a sense, the turians have NOTHING over the quarians

Well, I think it's said in the game that despite technically having the largest fleet, the quarians don't have the firepower to actually rival the turians.

Not to mention the obvious, as in, turians do not die from a scratch. And they have something to fall back to (Palaven + colonies), someplace to regroup and form supply lines. The moment quarians enter any war, they are gambling with their entire species. 

Modifié par Atrocity, 26 mars 2012 - 05:45 .

[ld1449]

18 Brains wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

Another publication picked up on the story. The New Yorker agrees that the ending is bad, but that fans shouldn't be asking for a new ending because... it's art. Ugh, so sick of this argument, but I guess it is the only one they have. My favorite quotation in the article is "Perhaps those who are disappointed ought to consider that, as in real life, there are some things that no amount of heroism can overcome." 
They are right - heroism can't overcome space magic and plot holes. 

http://www.newyorker...fects-fans.html

You forgot the rest of the quote: "It may not be as pleasant as a happy ending, but hey--that's art."

"Ah yes, art."

If you want to argue the point, then leave a comment. Staying in here isn't going to break down that dumb cop-out defense they have.

[sergeym1990]

chmarr wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...Secret plans for weapons that have been reverse-engineered from something that doesnt exist? ''Ahhh yes. ''Secret plans'' We have dismissed those claims''

Not to mention that turian fleet might be a bit iffy about sharing/unbalancing military power. I'd be a bit iffy about it at least.

Well... The Turians have the biggest military fleet in the ME-Universe, their entire society is built up around the military... I doubt anyone would ever mess with them... Besides us humans and the reapers

the quarians have the biggest fleet in the entire ME universe and ALL of the ships have weapons, so in a sense, the turians have NOTHING over the quarians

Most of the quarian ships are just converted liveships. As Joker put it the are glass cannons. The have firepower, but very little armor.

[Dauw]

Oh, it's art, is it? I guess we've been wrong all along, people. Move along, nothing to see here, just a little ART that's above reproach, above criticism. If only somebody had tried to use that excuse before...

Btw, this is the ending I want:
Bioware should be taking notes.

Modifié par Dauw, 26 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[chujwamdotego]

Not that I started to believe in @masseffect tweeter, but I found this (45 min old):@vagrantxeth Just remember, it's only the end of one chapter of the ME universe...
Do they truly think they'll release and sell us more ME games if they do not fix the endings?

[Tyion133]

ld1449 wrote...

18 Brains wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

Another publication picked up on the story. The New Yorker agrees that the ending is bad, but that fans shouldn't be asking for a new ending because... it's art. Ugh, so sick of this argument, but I guess it is the only one they have. My favorite quotation in the article is "Perhaps those who are disappointed ought to consider that, as in real life, there are some things that no amount of heroism can overcome." 
They are right - heroism can't overcome space magic and plot holes. 

http://www.newyorker...fects-fans.html

You forgot the rest of the quote: "It may not be as pleasant as a happy ending, but hey--that's art."

"Ah yes, art."

If you want to argue the point, then leave a comment. Staying in here isn't going to break down that dumb cop-out defense they have.

http://epantiras.dev...?q=art#/d2u2xxc 

[KRAETZNER]

chujwamdotego wrote...

Not that I started to believe in @masseffect tweeter, but I found this (45 min old):@vagrantxeth Just remember, it's only the end of one chapter of the ME universe...
Do they truly think they'll release and sell us more ME games if they do not fix the endings?

I can see it now... "help joker create fire from rocks, to keep his cylon family warm for winter!". I can't wait.

[LibraryLad]

Soon it will be 2 weeks since I finished ME3 and 2 weeks since I played any games =/ Trying to hold the line, I hope we will get some answers soon.

[Dagger]

I would of prefered the original ending drew karp. had.

[Spartas Husky]

Edington wrote...

I was expecting to see EVERY races ships
in the final fight. I sooo wanted to see rachni fighting reapers in
space and on the ground. Not to mention elcor acting like living tanks,
with hundreds of stuped jelly fish with lots and lots of guns
hehehe

That is explained. The Rachi once saved spent every available worker ont he crucible, so even fi they had the numbers they were spent doing task normal bots nor organics could do.

So they have no ships basically.

Elcor tanks, hanar floating fortresses, sorely missed I do admit.

And fighting vorcha eating husks

chmarr wrote...

the quarians have the biggest fleet in the entire ME universe and ALL of the ships have weapons, so in a sense, the turians have NOTHING over the quarians

You are both wrong. From the game itself an explanation is given.

In ANN quarians began purchasing hardware for that of dreadnaughts, to which the council objected, and the quarians gave them a middle finger.

What happended above ranoch is a clear example of what the quarians made. They basically, an analogy to today. Mounted a m1 abrams tank gun on every jeep, hummer, motorcycle and helicopter they could find. While terrying on the innitial volley it quickly shows that mountain a dreadnaught like gun on a civilian ship doesn't make it a dreadnaught.

Joker explained this, Admiral Raan gave explanations to their early success not on military prowess nor numbers but their jamming technology.

joker explained "mounting dreadnaught guns on a live ships with no armor, doesn't make it into a dreadnaught... nos urprise there". Alluding to the fact that you could have a giant gun on a jeep, point is the jeep has no armor, and any returnin fire which will certainly be some will be catastrophic.

From EDi as well, she stated the only reason the geth attacked the civilian ships were because they were so heavily armed, not because they were a threat in their own right. had the Live ships or civilian ships not been armed the geth would have deemed them "a waste of resources to attack them".

juggernautze wrote...
Well, I think it's said in the game that despite technically having the
largest fleet, the quarians don't have the firepower to actually rival
the turians.

The game explains this as well. The quarians have the undisputed, largest fleet, and the most power. Even more so than turians. Admiral Raan explains this as well. since quarian vessels have been outfitted with massive guns, even the civilian ships, in turn making a vast majority of their ships, into dreadnaughts in strength. However as Joker, EDi alluded to, making them fire as much power as a dreadnaught does't make them into one. Given their severely diminish armor, any "knife fight" ranges with the quarian fleet will result in massive casualties.

hence the problem over ranoch. Only reason why they even manage to defeat the geth thus far was because of the jamming (flasbang) mechanism developed by Admiral Xen. the geth at long range, or close range were better equipped than the quarians. since any returning fire whatsoever is catrastrophic to the quarians.



In other words the quarian fleet is the asari equivalent to a space fleet.... giant Glass cannons. Pack a hell of a punch but they can't take any back or they'll shatter quite easily.

[Lexica]

chujwamdotego wrote...

Not that I started to believe in @masseffect tweeter, but I found this (45 min old):@vagrantxeth Just remember, it's only the end of one chapter of the ME universe...
Do they truly think they'll release and sell us more ME games if they do not fix the endings?

Of course they will more make me games not sure what they will be probly not rpg tho and im not sure how well they will sell but i dont expect a second trilogy .

[Phoenix NL]

chujwamdotego wrote...

Not that I started to believe in @masseffect tweeter, but I found this (45 min old):@vagrantxeth Just remember, it's only the end of one chapter of the ME universe...
Do they truly think they'll release and sell us more ME games if they do not fix the endings?

Well that's the whole point isn't it? If this is how they deal with the current trilogy and it's characters that they asked us to get emotionally invested in, why on earth would I go and buy another ME game and risk getting emotionally invested in that game only to have the ending blow up into some kind of Crayola nightmare?

[PurpleWhisper]

RatedRRachel wrote...

Another publication picked up on the story. The New Yorker agrees that the ending is bad, but that fans shouldn't be asking for a new ending because... it's art. Ugh, so sick of this argument, but I guess it is the only one they have. My favorite quotation in the article is "Perhaps those who are disappointed ought to consider that, as in real life, there are some things that no amount of heroism can overcome." 
They are right - heroism can't overcome space magic and plot holes. 

http://www.newyorker...fects-fans.html

UGH maybe they should consider that many of us play games to escape real life for a little while. Its this thing called escapism

Of the 'multiple' endings they could have had just one that ended better. Then we'd get to choose how we'd like to end the story. DA Origins managed it after all. I don't care what anyone says, people still love a happy ending and Shep earned it. At least for *one* of the outcomes.

Modifié par PurpleWhisper, 26 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[Spartas Husky]

Phoenix NL wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

Not that I started to believe in @masseffect tweeter, but I found this (45 min old):@vagrantxeth Just remember, it's only the end of one chapter of the ME universe...
Do they truly think they'll release and sell us more ME games if they do not fix the endings?

Well that's the whole point isn't it? If this is how they deal with the current trilogy and it's characters that they asked us to get emotionally invested in, why on earth would I go and buy another ME game and risk getting emotionally invested in that game only to have the ending blow up into some kind of Crayola nightmare?

I wouldn't mind if they came up with other games. I'll just treat them as the other "boring time pass time" game like hundreds of meiocre shooters out there I rent to pass time.

So yeah let them come out with more games. It will give me more rent options . And further proove me RIGHT!!!!!!!

[TekFanX]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Well, it has to do with the ending cinematic and final battle, because nobody seems to use the Thanix cannon... and it was supossed to be mounted in every ship, in fact we can't see nothing of the war assets working. It all comes down to war assets, wich are numbers and not physical things. Damn, what I would give to see rachni warriors tearing apart a brute.

I agree, its stated that they are fitted to most frigates by that point, but in the battle all we see are a lot of cloned alliance cruisers, the end battle should be a lot more detailed and change more becuse of your choices I agree. Its just a lack of detail on biowares part

I agree, too.
The Thanix-thing is off.
Also: The slugs they fire have lorewise an impact-energy higher than the explosion-energy hiroshima-bomb.
And although space is a threedimensional battlefield, they approach the reapers in a way that each slug has to hit earth if it misses. 
While it would have made more sense to approach the reapers in from a vector that wouldn't have earth in it's way.

And regarding the cinematics:
Would have been great to see the geth and quarian ships fly side by side.
Not just the quarian fleet and a small clip of a geth listening to the speech.
Some Salarian ships if you save the councilor...batarian ships if you managed to obtain them.
Jury-rigged mercenary vessels.
No: Humans, Turians, Asari and Quarians or Geth. The five fleets from which you need to acquire four in the main-story-arc. With not even a cgi for those who managed to broker peace between quarians and geth.

Operation hammer: A geth prime turning a Mako back onto it's wheels, after it has been thrown over by an explosion. A krogan wrestling with a brute to give a salarian infiltrator time to scope down the head of a Ravager...so many possibilities.

[PurpleWhisper]

I'd like to have known the fate of all the others. Jack and the kids, Miranda, the Krogans, Aria etc etc. Seems pointless helping them all out in the main part of the game if you never even find out if it was worth it. Should I have bothered helping these characters or were they just going to die in the end? They never wrapped any of it up.

I also wish that in the 'Shepard lives' ending they'd take out the crashed Normandy part and instead show Shep taking a breath in the rubble and then the 2 crew members that were in the final mission with you in London find her, haul her up and help her stand so they can look up at the reaperless sky together. Thats really all i'd need. At least Shep wld be alive and reunited with her crew.

Modifié par PurpleWhisper, 26 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[Hendrik.III]

Art doesn't lose value over time, quite to the contrary. Games are worth s*** after a year, so that's says enough about that statement. It's not considered art by any of us, it's playing the victimized "artiste" who just can't cope with the criticism.

Modifié par Hendrik.III, 26 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

PurpleWhisper wrote...

I'd like to have known the fate of all the others. Jack and the kids, Miranda, the Krogans, Aria etc etc. Seems pointless helping them all out in the main part of the game if you never even find out if it was worth it. Should I have bothered helping these characters or were they just going to die in the end? They never wrapped any of it up.

I also wish that in the 'Shepard lives' ending they'd take out the crashed Normandy part and instead show Shep taking a breath in the rubble and then the 2 crew members that were in the final mission with you in London find her, haul her up and help her stand so they can look up at the reaperless sky together. Thats really all i'd need. At least Shep wld be alive and reunited with her crew.

Ye, we just want a little hope among the despair and destruction

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 26 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[mulder1199]

PurpleWhisper wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

Another publication picked up on the story. The New Yorker agrees that the ending is bad, but that fans shouldn't be asking for a new ending because... it's art. Ugh, so sick of this argument, but I guess it is the only one they have. My favorite quotation in the article is "Perhaps those who are disappointed ought to consider that, as in real life, there are some things that no amount of heroism can overcome." 
They are right - heroism can't overcome space magic and plot holes. 

http://www.newyorker...fects-fans.html

UGH maybe they should consider that many of us play games to escape real life for a little while. Its this thing called escapism

Of the 'multiple' endings they could have had just one that ended better. Then we'd get to choose how we'd like to end the story. DA Origins managed it after all. I don't care what anyone says, people still love a happy ending and Shep earned it. At least for *one* of the outcomes.

hence the problem with 16 different endings that are really 3 endings.....

couldn't have been that much more trouble to give a better ending

[naes1984]

mulder1199 wrote...

PurpleWhisper wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

Another publication picked up on the story. The New Yorker agrees that the ending is bad, but that fans shouldn't be asking for a new ending because... it's art. Ugh, so sick of this argument, but I guess it is the only one they have. My favorite quotation in the article is "Perhaps those who are disappointed ought to consider that, as in real life, there are some things that no amount of heroism can overcome." 
They are right - heroism can't overcome space magic and plot holes. 

http://www.newyorker...fects-fans.html

UGH maybe they should consider that many of us play games to escape real life for a little while. Its this thing called escapism

Of the 'multiple' endings they could have had just one that ended better. Then we'd get to choose how we'd like to end the story. DA Origins managed it after all. I don't care what anyone says, people still love a happy ending and Shep earned it. At least for *one* of the outcomes.

hence the problem with 16 different endings that are really 3 endings.....

couldn't have been that much more trouble to give a better ending

Even saying there are 3 endings is a big stretch.

[Spartas Husky]

TekFanX wrote...


No: Humans, Turians, Asari and Quarians or Geth. The five fleets from which you need to acquire four in the main-story-arc. With not even a cgi for those who managed to broker peace between quarians and geth.

Ia gree with everything except that. You mean you dont want to see those ships?


PS:

The game is missing, 2 hours of fighting, and 30 minutes of cutscenes.

Krogan riding their mounts

Krogans wrestling brutes

Krogans shotguning cannibals in the face

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rachni swarming and eating brutes, leaving nothing but green poo

rachni slashing marauders in half

rachni swarming banshees, and event hough banshees biotic explosion kills many of them, the sheer number of rachni simply overwhelms them.

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geth prime wrestling a brute alone and along side a krogan

Geth primes getting swarmed by husks.

geth pyros leading the charge against reaper rachni

geth rocket troopers taking positions in buildings.

geth drones cutting down cannibals

Geth primes swarming a reaper destroyer alongside with rachni brood warriors.
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vorcha biting husks

Blue suns along side normal troops

eclipse with their mechs... wth are the ymir mechs!!!??.


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Fighting inside the citadel

Make the c-sec defense force number count for something.

Make a "last running into the fight" ...fight like the collector base, and the condiut into the citadel. Cut yourway to the control center.

As the asari councilor mentioned 'we still see pockets of geth with reaper codes" meaning just like the rachni are sitll found in reaper form... let us fight geth controlled by the reapers. Not all the geth turne away, most of them but not all.

wth are the elcor reapers? I bet they would give brutes pause.


The list goes on and on and on and on and on:wizard:

[chujwamdotego]

mulder1199 wrote...

hence the problem with 16 different endings that are really 3 endings.....

couldn't have been that much more trouble to give a better ending

I beg Your pardon Sir, but I think there is only one ending... Colored variations doesn't count as different endings. Buying red porsche and green porsche means you've got the same model, not two different ones.