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[Garlador]

Okay. Honest to God, I have had NIGHTMARES about the ending for three days straight now.

I am literally having dreams where my Normandy friends slowly starve, get overrun with Reapers, or Starkid tries to suck out free will and give us three terrible choices in life. Long, painful, drawn-out nightmares of five years of good memories being mutilated and killed by last-minute plot twists. I've never had nightmares about any game, and I've played some maddening ones before.

Geez, I didn't think I cared THIS much, but my subconscious apparently disagrees.

[RussianOrc]

naes1984 wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

PurpleWhisper wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

Another publication picked up on the story. The New Yorker agrees that the ending is bad, but that fans shouldn't be asking for a new ending because... it's art. Ugh, so sick of this argument, but I guess it is the only one they have. My favorite quotation in the article is "Perhaps those who are disappointed ought to consider that, as in real life, there are some things that no amount of heroism can overcome." 
They are right - heroism can't overcome space magic and plot holes. 

http://www.newyorker...fects-fans.html

UGH maybe they should consider that many of us play games to escape real life for a little while. Its this thing called escapism

Of the 'multiple' endings they could have had just one that ended better. Then we'd get to choose how we'd like to end the story. DA Origins managed it after all. I don't care what anyone says, people still love a happy ending and Shep earned it. At least for *one* of the outcomes.

hence the problem with 16 different endings that are really 3 endings.....

couldn't have been that much more trouble to give a better ending

Even saying there are 3 endings is a big stretch.

There is 1 ending with 3 different colors *period*

[Neothanos]

If you consider that most want/expect different endings its unlikely we will get "what we want".

From the tone and overall vagueness of the statement about the ending iniciative by Bioware,we will likely some clarificationsabout the ending If anything at all.

[DJBare]

Bond is good, but he is getting tired climbing to the top of those pyramids.

[Ampmaster]

From the New Yorker article:

"Real art sticks to it's guns"

Which is why Da Vinci would have repainted the Mona Lisa if his patron damn well told him to right?

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

I actually managed to get a bit out of my funk and work up enough mental momentum to fire up Star Trek Online this weekend for a few hours. It didn't turn out well.. dang random pickup noobs.. Shouldn't have gone straight for end-game raids after such anguish..

[chujwamdotego]

Neothanos wrote...

If you consider that most want/expect different endings its unlikely we will get "what we want".

From the tone and overall vagueness of the statement about the ending iniciative by Bioware,we will likely some clarificationsabout the ending If anything at all.

Maybe not. Bioware hyped our hopes and wishes with pre-release statements. After this s**tstorm they might just want to keep cool, not make the same mistake.

After releasing the DLC, which may actually suit our needs they hope to regain our "love".

[ErMacPE]

DJBare wrote...

Bond is good, but he is getting tired climbing to the top of those pyramids.

But I thought that's what Q was there for - to make some kind of handy little gadget so that he wouldn't have to climb

[ardias89]

Hoping for something good in april

[TheSimbul]

Decided to check the #Retake ME3 tag over at Twitter...big mistake. God, people are so hateful, and even worse, grossly misinformed. Of course they read some article on the Internet and OF COURSE WHATEVER IGN/GAMESPOT/WHATEVER SAY MUST BE TRUE!

Apparently we are the scum of the earth and we disgust them.

Seriously, this is what's wrong with the world. Check your facts ****s! And if you're happy throwing your money away and getting punched in the face in return, well good for you.

Grrrrr

[chujwamdotego]

ardias89 wrote...

Hoping for something good in april

Me too. Bioware knows better than anyone what's at stake.

[chujwamdotego]

After reading that tweet about possible new games in ME universe (that's how I understand "it is just one chapter in ME universe") I really think they've got nothing to loose by giving us additional endings.

I mean if Shep is not going to be main character in new games why not let him live happily with LI? Just thinking You know...

[VonVerrikan]

I'm getting tired of the whole "It's art" debate.

It's not art. If it is? It's a commission. And if it's a commission then you do it the way we want it. I bought your art because you told me it was going to be something Mass Effect, and instead you drew me a picture of two hands giving me the middle finger. No. Draw it again and right this time >:l

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Ending Uncut seems the most likely tbh, People will be disappointed if they expect a custom made ending from our suggestions, all people need to move on is some hope that shepard and LI are alive and not stranded, THEN, speculation is ok,

[naes1984]

Ampmaster wrote...

From the New Yorker article:

"Real art sticks to it's guns"

Which is why Da Vinci would have repainted the Mona Lisa if his patron damn well told him to right?

Why does anyone care what the New Yorker says? It is the ultimate pretentious magazine for the type of folks who go to wine tastings and drive hybrids. What do they know about videogames? They don't even know anything  about movies (or "film" as they call it).

[Kenkimaru]

Im going to bed now. See you all tomorrow!

Hold the Line.

[TekFanX]

Spartas Husky wrote...

TekFanX wrote...


No: Humans, Turians, Asari and Quarians or Geth. The five fleets from which you need to acquire four in the main-story-arc. With not even a cgi for those who managed to broker peace between quarians and geth.

Ia gree with everything except that. You mean you dont want to see those ships?

...

I want to see those ships, that's what I meant.
The problem I wanted to address is: They only put ships in they already had designs for since ME1(plus the Normandy SR-2).
And though there are two variants for those fleets, the third with the achievement of bringing quarians and geth together is missing.

[mulder1199]

chujwamdotego wrote...

Neothanos wrote...

If you consider that most want/expect different endings its unlikely we will get "what we want".

From the tone and overall vagueness of the statement about the ending iniciative by Bioware,we will likely some clarificationsabout the ending If anything at all.

Maybe not. Bioware hyped our hopes and wishes with pre-release statements. After this s**tstorm they might just want to keep cool, not make the same mistake.

After releasing the DLC, which may actually suit our needs they hope to regain our "love".

they over promised and underdelivered before....i'd assume now they are underpromising with the hope that they overwhelm us (or at least appease us) with what comes next....

it's actually what should have been done in the first place

[chujwamdotego]

VonVerrikan wrote...

I'm getting tired of the whole "It's art" debate.

It's not art. If it is? It's a commission. And if it's a commission then you do it the way we want it. I bought your art because you told me it was going to be something Mass Effect, and instead you drew me a picture of two hands giving me the middle finger. No. Draw it again and right this time >:l

Irritation is understandable, but if Bioware guys actually follow this thread it may not be the best way to express our feeling

[Flyprdu]

VonVerrikan wrote...

It's not art. If it is? It's a commission.

Boom.  There it is.  9 simple words to summarize this entire movement... and the perfect rebuttal to those who scream "artistic integrity."

We paid BioWare for a self portrait.  You spent 5 days sitting in chair.. waiting patiently and building expectations, while BioWare works vigorously and tells you how awesome his painting is. 


When it comes time for the big reveal,  he turns the portrait around to show a beautifully detailed and colorful portrait of you
-- in a clown suit. 

Modifié par Flyprdu, 26 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[chujwamdotego]

mulder1199 wrote...

they over promised and underdelivered before....i'd assume now they are underpromising with the hope that they overwhelm us (or at least appease us) with what comes next....

it's actually what should have been done in the first place

Well, I disagree. I can understand pre-release PR and marketing. It would be ok if final product met those highly acclaimed features.

The problem is not with marketing but with difference between those ads and reality.

[VonVerrikan]

chujwamdotego wrote...


Irritation is understandable, but if Bioware guys actually follow this thread it may not be the best way to express our feeling

Point taken, but 'harsh' for sake of humor is different from being mean to them though 

[Spartas Husky]

Flyprdu wrote...

VonVerrikan wrote...

It's not art. If it is? It's a commission.

Boom.  There it is.  9 simple words to sumarize this entire movement... and the perfect rebuttal to those who scream "artistic integrity."

We paid BioWare for a self portrait.  I didn't want to be drawn in a clown suit, though.

its a product for mass consumptions.

Art is the definition of a piece made by an individual and thus is it nearly impossible to replicate. hence why it is called art, is unique it is sublime.

The moment an artist produces a piece for mass consumption it becomes a product, not a piece of art by default. Even though it is art, it is not "a piece" of art. when it is produced for the general public it no longer becomes their work, it becomes the work of the people paying for it.

Same **** I deal with in advertisement logos. i can make badass cards, letter heads, company identity packages. but if my client sees something he doesn't like... guess what, I dont **** because is my work... i change it because is what I am getting paid to do.

[PhoenixDove1]

naes1984 wrote...

Ampmaster wrote...

From the New Yorker article:

"Real art sticks to it's guns"

Which is why Da Vinci would have repainted the Mona Lisa if his patron damn well told him to right?

Why does anyone care what the New Yorker says? It is the ultimate pretentious magazine for the type of folks who go to wine tastings and drive hybrids. What do they know about videogames? They don't even know anything  about movies (or "film" as they call it).

I just have to say, this is the first time in my life, and I'm 30, that a video game has ever been called art.  What's up with that?  Was this argument used when FO3 got it's ending, or any of the other games where fan/consumer outcry got a change?    If not why now and if so, I don't think those other games were worse off otherwise we'd probably hear about it as part of the art argument right?

[mulder1199]

chujwamdotego wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

they over promised and underdelivered before....i'd assume now they are underpromising with the hope that they overwhelm us (or at least appease us) with what comes next....

it's actually what should have been done in the first place

Well, I disagree. I can understand pre-release PR and marketing. It would be ok if final product met those highly acclaimed features.

The problem is not with marketing but with difference between those ads and reality.

no, we agree, just saying the same thing different.....if they had lived up to their promises it would be a non issue....

i was speaking in regards (as to your original sentiment) as to what they are doing now...