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[GBGriffin]

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

I'm just going to put this out here, because I don't want to read 246 pages to see if someone else has said it already.

Have you guys considered that the 'leaked' stuff wasn't leaked at all? Maybe BioWare is playing the misinformation game to get all of us riled up. It seams a bit unusual, and coincidental how much has made it out. Small details, or explainable things (like the Beta demo, courtesy of XBox Live) I could understand. But a script? Please. Yes, the parts of script that people are MOST interested in gets 'accidentally' leaked, that sounds completely genuine.

Correct me if I'm wrong, or talking about something else, but wasn't it BioWare Russia that leaked it? Hmm, key work B-i-o-W-a-r-e.

To prevent this post from going on for pages and pages I will simply end with this:
I think you get my point.

Of course I've considered it, and if that's true, it's a really stupid move. Generate negative buzz about your game while people are still deciding if they'd like to buy it or not, on the forums where your fanbase is centered? What sort of sound marketing strategy is that?   Why wouldn't they release content that would generate positive reviews and encourage people to play the game instead of endings that will clearly alienate a fanbase? 

They gave the games away to contest winners. If I won a contest and found out they had removed or witheld content, I'd be pissed.

scotkrow wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

scotkrow wrote...


the end of ME1 it gave you a brief picutre of shepard standing there in your ending amor in a cool pose.  It wouldn't be a stretch to take that and add some text with a brief explanation and then change the characters and explanations.

So the "best" ending would have the worst quality? Yeah, really a reward there...

I don't see that a poor quality, just a cheap responce that any buisness would do if it tieckeled their fancy.

A fully rendered video or a text screen saying "You won and everything worked out!"

I know which one I'd rather watch. 

Modifié par GBGriffin, 01 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[cerberus1701]

E-Type XR wrote...

At least the 2012 ending has some glimer of immidiate hope. All ME3 are clinically depressing, or only present hope millions of years in the future when relay technology is re-established.

It's the fact the Eezo technology no longer works is the kick in the teeth.

Millions of years?

Isn't there a combined galactic fleet around Earth?

Isn't there a Prothen reverse-engineered gate right at the back door? One that galactic scientists were probably crawling all over since ME?

Decades, maybe. Maybe less depending on how the research has gone.

Even humanity as it is right now today, I expect if FTL travel is possible we'll crack it within 200 years.

[FJVP]

FJVP wrote...

 Damn, this thread moves fast. Anyway since my post was buried several posts ago I might as well post the links here (thanks mass_zotz for the confirmation), that way they can be quote-bumped if they get lost:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKyyIYKxCO8

Quoting this because I forgot to add 3 others (mostly what I think are paragon ones):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_pbdmCtXio&feature=youtu.be 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpF_WDvpQBE&feature=youtu.be 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFax3dM5hJ8&feature=youtu.be 

[Ianamus]

humes spork wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

It would lead to a lot of Asari- and they have serious issues from inbreeding (look at the Ardat-Yakshi), so it may not be a good thing.

Yup, it'd end up being a planet full of blue-skinned people with oddly shaped heads and creepy eyes. And Liara's descendents.

Sad, but so true 

[Reives]

albertalad wrote...

Reives wrote...

*puts on monocle*

http://en.wikipedia....bler-Ross_model
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance 
We've pretty much seen every one of those here already, even bargaining! 

Obviously you have never seen real death in real ife - however you appear to be an expert on video game death.  That's really, really nice on paper - but here in the real world it doesn't work like that. Even terminal cancer patients are nowhere near this garbage you posted.

I like the attitude of your assumptious response to a post that starts with "*puts on monocle*". 

Modifié par Reives, 01 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[Fafner_Ni]

BigGuy28 wrote...

Fafner_Ni wrote...

Switish wrote...

Fafner_Ni wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

You know, none of these characters are returning to a BioWare game ever again. What's so wrong with them getting stranded?

That's not true, you'll get to kill them and steal their pants in the MMO.

No! No talk of an MMO! I will really hate it if they do another TOR stunt

Sorry, but.....              

http://uk.pc.gamespy.../1219559p1.html

How can they possibly make an MMO for Mass Effect or even any more games in the setting? They just destroyed the whole setting by wiping out all the Mass Relays.

Each expansion will be about a new Mass Relay being built.

[Armass81]

Acrylium wrote...

It's the fact the Eezo technology no longer works is the kick in the teeth.

As far as we know, only the relays are beeing destroyed. E-Zero-Tech still works. But as E-Zero-FTL will only speed up to max. 10x Lightspeed it would take a lifetime to reach most other star systems.

According to Ashley in ME1 it was 10 ly/day with a standard FTL drive, and that takes you across the galaxy in little over 27 years provided you have enough fuel. Military ships might go alot faster.

Modifié par Armass81, 01 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[cerberus1701]

GBGriffin wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

I'm just going to put this out here, because I don't want to read 246 pages to see if someone else has said it already.

Have you guys considered that the 'leaked' stuff wasn't leaked at all? Maybe BioWare is playing the misinformation game to get all of us riled up. It seams a bit unusual, and coincidental how much has made it out. Small details, or explainable things (like the Beta demo, courtesy of XBox Live) I could understand. But a script? Please. Yes, the parts of script that people are MOST interested in gets 'accidentally' leaked, that sounds completely genuine.

Correct me if I'm wrong, or talking about something else, but wasn't it BioWare Russia that leaked it? Hmm, key work B-i-o-W-a-r-e.

To prevent this post from going on for pages and pages I will simply end with this:
I think you get my point.

Of course I've considered it, and if that's true, it's a really stupid move. Generate negative buzz about your game while people are still deciding if they'd like to buy it or not, on the forums where your fanbase is centered? What sort of sound marketing strategy is that?   Why wouldn't they release content that would generate positive reviews and encourage people to play the game instead of endings that will clearly alienate a fanbase? 

They gave the games away to contest winners. If I won a contest and found out they had removed or witheld content, I'd be pissed.

Meh. You got the game for free.

[kingsims]

Well the endings are pretty much deus ex. I posted this previously.

Synthesis - JC uploads himself to Helios and now humanity is one and together and he controls all of earths electronics including microchips. JC no longer exists as a single entity.

Destroy - JC says this is all wrong and destroys Helios which then humanity is plunged into a dark age. JC supposedly escapes or dies in the explosion.

Control - JC decides to preserve helios and gives power to the illuminanti which he becomes a member of giving the illumanti total control of humanity.

See the similarities? Btw for anyone who has not played Deus Ex go play it, its way ahead of its time.

[GBGriffin]

Fafner_Ni wrote...


Each expansion will be about a new Mass Relay being built.

It'd certainly put the proper grind element into the MMO.

"Perform X number of fetch quests and gather Y number of resources to build the relay!"

Modifié par GBGriffin, 01 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

humes spork wrote...

Yup, it'd end up being a planet full of blue-skinned people with oddly shaped heads and creepy eyes. And Liara's descendents.

Oh man so good.

Anyone want Liara broodmother fanart?

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

There's a reason games like gears of war 3 ended more happily than they did bitter. Because only few want to follow all 3 chapters of a franchise only to have it end in tears. And gears doesn't have choice. ME having choice makes it completely unforgivable.

There is no obvious reward for your sacrifice in Mass Effect 3. The whole time the series has been teaching you to care about other races and now suddenly all that matters is earth's survival, all the people that helped you basically got screwed, including entire races, like the quarians, completely locked off from their home world.

Modifié par Pr3ying M4nt15 360, 01 mars 2012 - 10:33 .

[GBGriffin]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Meh. You got the game for free.

If the conspiracy theorists are to be believed, then you only got "half" of the endings, all of which paint a dark and grim ending instead of the "full experience" just because the company wanted to spite potential pirates and NDA breakers rather than actually reward you.

[Fafner_Ni]

[quote]Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

 And gears doesn't have choice./quote]


Nor does Mass Effect it seems.

Modifié par Fafner_Ni, 01 mars 2012 - 10:33 .

[cerberus1701]

Armass81 wrote...

Acrylium wrote...

It's the fact the Eezo technology no longer works is the kick in the teeth.

As far as we know, only the relays are beeing destroyed. E-Zero-Tech still works. But as E-Zero-FTL will only speed up to max. 10x Lightspeed it would take a lifetime to reach most other star systems.

According to Ashley in ME1 it was 10 ly/day with a standard FTL drive, and that takes you across the galaxy in little over 27 years provided you have enough fuel. Military ships might go alot faster.

This. ^^^

So it's perfectly reasonable to believe that the crew wouldn't be separated for long.

[DXLelouch15]

atleat in Gears Marcus gets to have a family with that one chick(forgot her name)

[Ianamus]

BigGuy28 wrote...

How can they possibly make an MMO for Mass Effect or even any more games in the setting? They just destroyed the whole setting by wiping out all the Mass Relays.

The X-series (A space simulation game where the main method of transportation to different parts of the universe are "Jumpgates"- strange devices build by an ancient civilisation that are just like Mass Relay's) is making a new game on a very similar principle (The entire gate system suddenly stopped working). 

Here the idea is that just before the gates stopped working booming mega-corperations began building their own Space-travel between busy systems (Essentially collosal Highways that accelerate you to to other systems). And while most of the galaxy is cut off links around important places still remain. 

The game is set many years in the future, and the gates are beginning to show sighs of reactivating.

I know that Mass Effect isn't the same but I still think it's interesting how similar the ideas are. I could see a similar thing happening in Mass Effect. 

Modifié par EJ107, 01 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[Dilos01]

kingsims wrote...

Well the endings are pretty much deus ex. I posted this previously.

Synthesis - JC uploads himself to Helios and now humanity is one and together and he controls all of earths electronics including microchips. JC no longer exists as a single entity.

Destroy - JC says this is all wrong and destroys Helios which then humanity is plunged into a dark age. JC supposedly escapes or dies in the explosion.

Control - JC decides to preserve helios and gives power to the illuminanti which he becomes a member of giving the illumanti total control of humanity.

See the similarities? Btw for anyone who has not played Deus Ex go play it, its way ahead of its time.

Ahh Deux Ex.  That was a great game to play on my old computer. 

[Rdubs]

This interview with Walters just came out, look at what he says about how the story is written with regards to the whole "choices" thing.

RipTen: Throughout the series, there have been numerous memorable main and side quests where Shepard must make a critical decision. How did you decide which of these past choices would come back to help/haunt the Commander in Mass Effect 3? What kind of repercussions can players expect from their actions beyond the major plot points. We’re pretty sure the Rachni Queen and Collector Base decisions will affect the story, but what about those side quests?

MW: Most of the choices, and certainly the critical ones, will be reflected in Mass Effect 3 to some degree. The real work comes in trying to decide just how much each choice will impact Commander Shepard. If we addressed every choice with equal weight, we’d end up creating nothing more than a customized cutscene of all your past choices. But each game needs to stand on its own, with its own unique story, plots and choices. At the core, my job is to create a compelling framework for the story using the current status of the galaxy. Once that backbone is created, we can start to find ways to weave past choices and their consequences in to the story… to flesh out the main plot. But first and foremost, the core story has to be amazing. It has to blow you away, regardless of the different possibilities. That way, we can more certain that every possible version of the story is one that people will love, and hopefully remember for a long time to come.

http://www.ripten.co...-more-personal/

There you go, I take this as confirmation that the "one size fits all" ending is written in first, then they figure out how to put window dressing on it in the form of your decisions.  Sorry, but that goes against EVERYTHING we've been told all along about how since ME3 is the final piece the writers don't need to be locked into one common ending.  I am so disappointed right now.

Modifié par Rdubs, 01 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[Whatever42]

albertalad wrote...

Reives wrote...

*puts on monocle*

http://en.wikipedia....bler-Ross_model
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance 
We've pretty much seen every one of those here already, even bargaining! 

Obviously you have never seen real death in real ife - however you appear to be an expert on video game death.  That's really, really nice on paper - but here in the real world it doesn't work like that. Even terminal cancer patients are nowhere near this garbage you posted.

Did you have a poor experience with a bad grief councillor?

[cerberus1701]

GBGriffin wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Meh. You got the game for free.

If the conspiracy theorists are to be believed, then you only got "half" of the endings, all of which paint a dark and grim ending instead of the "full experience" just because the company wanted to spite potential pirates and NDA breakers rather than actually reward you.

Well, since I know (and we have seen here) that people wipe their backsides with NDAs it's what I'd do with the game.

[Johnnycide]

kingsims wrote...

Well the endings are pretty much deus ex. I posted this previously.

Synthesis - JC uploads himself to Helios and now humanity is one and together and he controls all of earths electronics including microchips. JC no longer exists as a single entity.

Destroy - JC says this is all wrong and destroys Helios which then humanity is plunged into a dark age. JC supposedly escapes or dies in the explosion.

Control - JC decides to preserve helios and gives power to the illuminanti which he becomes a member of giving the illumanti total control of humanity.

See the similarities? Btw for anyone who has not played Deus Ex go play it, its way ahead of its time.

Don't, you'll spoil the completely original endings for Mass Effect 3.

[Armass81]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

There's a reason games like gears of war 3 ended more happily than they did bitter. Because only few want to follow all 3 chapters of a franchise only to have it end in tears. And gears doesn't have choice. ME having choice makes it completely unforgivable.

There is no obvious reward for your sacrifice in Mass Effect 3. The whole time the series has been teaching you to care about other races and now suddenly all that matters is earth's survival, all the people that helped you basically got screwed, including entire races, like the quarians, completely locked off from their home world.

Yeah ah, you dont think the quarians left some of their people on their homeworld before they send a war fleet to battle the reapers? That was the entire point of getting their world back, so non combatants can be put there. You dont think theyre so stupid they send their entire race to fight the reapers in Sol?

Modifié par Armass81, 01 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[Whatever42]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Acrylium wrote...

It's the fact the Eezo technology no longer works is the kick in the teeth.

As far as we know, only the relays are beeing destroyed. E-Zero-Tech still works. But as E-Zero-FTL will only speed up to max. 10x Lightspeed it would take a lifetime to reach most other star systems.

According to Ashley in ME1 it was 10 ly/day with a standard FTL drive, and that takes you across the galaxy in little over 27 years provided you have enough fuel. Military ships might go alot faster.

This. ^^^

So it's perfectly reasonable to believe that the crew wouldn't be separated for long.

Except for the movie of the descendents talking about "the Shepard". 

In a galaxy with 200-400 billion stars, when they have no idea where the Normandy ended up, or even survived, rescue is unlikely.

[Sashimi_taco]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Acrylium wrote...

It's the fact the Eezo technology no longer works is the kick in the teeth.

As far as we know, only the relays are beeing destroyed. E-Zero-Tech still works. But as E-Zero-FTL will only speed up to max. 10x Lightspeed it would take a lifetime to reach most other star systems.

According to Ashley in ME1 it was 10 ly/day with a standard FTL drive, and that takes you across the galaxy in little over 27 years provided you have enough fuel. Military ships might go alot faster.

This. ^^^

So it's perfectly reasonable to believe that the crew wouldn't be separated for long.

Except for the movie of the descendents talking about "the Shepard". 

In a galaxy with 200-400 billion stars, when they have no idea where the Normandy ended up, or even survived, rescue is unlikely.

In that movie no one has any idea what they are saying other that what people say.