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[TheBathroomBard]

Still here. Still holding the line. Still think the endings were silly.

People are discouraged, but if we let the pressure up, who knows what will happen? The things this ordeal have accomplished are already both groundbreaking and great. The charity drive, remaining civil and calm in the face of trained PR professionals. Hell, we even managed to get one of the head honchos to speak to us directly. (Whether that was a good thing or a bad one is up to debate; the point remains it is fairly unprecedented!)

Keep strong. Come April we'll get more news, and people will come back.

[silencemayday]

PhoenixDove1 wrote...

silencemayday wrote...

same here. gave me quite a shudder. as if we're some rare excotic animal at the zoo and they might know which country we're coming from by reading the plate on the cage, but they can't wrap their heads around how we could even possible exist. 

oh god, i need to stop it with those weird analogies.. 

You made me laugh.  And I'd like to also point out when Adam is talking about how it speaks about our culture, who's was he talking about?  Cause from what I can see it kind of touches a LOT of different cultures

yeah. at that i felt like pointing out our war assets page. also, is it just me or does it seem like they didn't even care enough about the whole thing to even figure out 'why' we are upset? can't bring myself to reread it, but after skimming through it once, i don't think they even touched the subject of plotholes. 

[chujwamdotego]

TamiBx wrote...

...if they don't fix this ending, that's the next thing I'm going to get mad at Bioware. Currently, the horrible ending is top priority, but after that, that EMS bs is the main problem.

Actually, even if they fix the ending but keep the requirement to 4000 ems, I am going to ask an official proof that it is possible to get all that war asset without mp. Seriously. 

I'm rather certain they'll fix necessity to play MP in order to get high EMS (they'll set to 75-50% as deafult). They may even scrap it out completely, leaving only war assets.

I'm worry about endings and statements about "clarification" though...

[Nex_Legis]

chujwamdotego wrote...

It's not like that.

People are just regaining strenght, waiting patiently for Bioware and will all be back once we know something certain.

Even though it might be bit slower we all should keep faith. Bioware knows what's at stake and after last two weeks they what to expect if things get out of hand.

I'm actually still checking this thread every few hours. I just don't post as frequently anymore, mainly because I'm waiting to see what BioWare is going to tell us at PAX.

Always ready to rejoin the direct battle though. HOLD THE LINE!

[J5550123]

Nex_Legis wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

It's not like that.

People are just regaining strenght, waiting patiently for Bioware and will all be back once we know something certain.

Even though it might be bit slower we all should keep faith. Bioware knows what's at stake and after last two weeks they what to expect if things get out of hand.

I'm actually still checking this thread every few hours. I just don't post as frequently anymore, mainly because I'm waiting to see what BioWare is going to tell us at PAX.

Always ready to rejoin the direct battle though. HOLD THE LINE!

Same here.

[chujwamdotego]

Nex_Legis wrote...

I'm actually still checking this thread every few hours. I just don't post as frequently anymore, mainly because I'm waiting to see what BioWare is going to tell us at PAX.

Always ready to rejoin the direct battle though. HOLD THE LINE!

That's the spirit !

[imelik]

chujwamdotego wrote...

It's not like that.

People are just regaining strenght, waiting patiently for Bioware and will all be back once we know something certain.

Even though it might be bit slower we all should keep faith. Bioware knows what's at stake and after last two weeks they what to expect if things get out of hand.

I do hope that it is as you say it. I have lost most of the hope i had, but i know that when we get the info at PAX, what ever the response from BW is going to be, i will get new energy to hold the line if need be.

Yeah. I agree. They should know by now indeed what could happen. And i really do hope that they make the right decision. Or what i see as the right decision. And hopefully they can restore the faith that many of us have lost in them. I really would like that. But until PAX we are very much still in the dark, and that is not a good feeling.
And IMO not a good move by BW.

[honourshield]

I think it is a case of: we've done what we can, and now it's a waiting game.

I myself donated to child's play (before it was taken down), sent an email to bioware, and posted my views on here. I don't post so regularly now but i guess there ain't much more to say. I still check here every day though in the hope of further development, but for now at least; im just watching and waiting.

Still holding the line

[Darth Garrus]

TamiBx wrote...


...if they don't fix this ending, that's the next thing I'm going to get mad at Bioware. Currently, the horrible ending is top priority, but after that, that EMS bs is the main problem.

Actually, even if they fix the ending but keep the requirement to 4000 ems, I am going to ask an official proof that it is possible to get all that war asset without mp. Seriously. 

Exactly.

One single small optional update could probably solve all this. Press a button, opt-out of MP, and the points you get on SP are corrected so you can get the perfect ending without MP. How hard can it be for them?

It would prove, once again, that BW does care about people's choices. After fixing the endings, I mean...

[KRAETZNER]

So in other words we've cut a wire, and now we have to wait to see if the bomb will detonate or not.

[RatedRRachel]

J5550123 wrote...

Nex_Legis wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

It's not like that.

People are just regaining strenght, waiting patiently for Bioware and will all be back once we know something certain.

Even though it might be bit slower we all should keep faith. Bioware knows what's at stake and after last two weeks they what to expect if things get out of hand.

I'm actually still checking this thread every few hours. I just don't post as frequently anymore, mainly because I'm waiting to see what BioWare is going to tell us at PAX.

Always ready to rejoin the direct battle though. HOLD THE LINE!

Same here.

Same for me. Nothing really new to report besides the hatred of the endings so not much to post besides "hold the line". But I was quite impressed by the new ChipIn to raise money to send Bioware cupcakes to illustrate the ending choices. Another cute way to show Bioware that we care about the game, and just hate the endings. 

[magikbbg]

Interesting read if it wasn't already posted. I'm on phone so I can't make link here is addy

http://www.thegamehe...CookieSupport=1

[Mortensus]

Darth Suetam wrote...

TamiBx wrote...


...if they don't fix this ending, that's the next thing I'm going to get mad at Bioware. Currently, the horrible ending is top priority, but after that, that EMS bs is the main problem.

Actually, even if they fix the ending but keep the requirement to 4000 ems, I am going to ask an official proof that it is possible to get all that war asset without mp. Seriously. 

Exactly.

One single small optional update could probably solve all this. Press a button, opt-out of MP, and the points you get on SP are corrected so you can get the perfect ending without MP. How hard can it be for them?

It would prove, once again, that BW does care about people's choices. After fixing the endings, I mean...

why would they do that? because MP is a easy way for them to get money... and even more regarding players who don't love/are not good at mp, they will spend real money to buy stuff so they can do less MP...

[Yaldo]

My mail to Bioware today:

Dear Bioware



I am one of your customers who are less than pleased with the conclusion
of Mass Effect 3. The majority of the game up to the end is, while not
perfect or without possibilty to improve, very good and most enjoyable.
However what enjoyment was had during the journey was overshadowed by
the disappointment in the ending, yes, one ending in three colours with
minute variations does not 16 endings make. I had several saves from
Mass Effect 1+2 ready to go for additional playthroughs and was really
looking forward to it as I was approachuing the end, but after finishing
I can't see the point. "It's about the journey, wasn't that enjoyable?"
yes, but how am I to enjoy the journey knowing that whatever I do I
will end up in that same soulcrushingly depressing place?



The ending as it stands is narratively disconnected from the rest of the
game, the characters act out of character in it, new character is
introduced as a quite literal deus ex machina, and in the different
colors: blue, apparently Shepard can control things without having a
brain, or even a body, neat, red, supposedly only destroying synthetic
life so... the red energy beam includes a Turing-test? or else shouldn't
it destroy all electronics?, green, making the entire galaxy the borg,
great, after spending three games praising diversity and unity despite
differences Shepard makes everyone the same... If something like the
"Indoctrination theory" turns out to be correct, I was sold an
incomplete product. So as it stands I feel I was either sold a product
with a subpar ending, far below what I feel Bioware should be capable of
producing, or an incomplete product.



As such I was both heartened and
worried by dr. Muzyka's statement on march 21. Heartened so far as to
the acknowledgement of there being being people who have problems with
the ending. Though worries were raised by the traditionally vague nature
of the statement and the wording that "Building
on their research, Exec Producer
Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content
initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity
for those seeking further closure to their journey." the problem isn't
that the current ending isn't understood or needs clarification,
it needs to be of the same level of quality as the rest of the game and
the characters need to act as the characters we have gotten to know
over the past five years, though yes, closure is needed.



What I feel should be included in any fix
is an actual range of different endings, all free from newly introduced
shiny blue kids, from dark endings were if you have a low EMS and is
thus insufficiently prepared the reapers win, to at least one reasonable
happy one were Shepard lives and gets reunited with love interest, the
mass relays remain and you are able to defeat the reapers conventionally
with a sufficiently high EMS or by the crucible actually working,
disabling reaper shielding or something similar. What should also be
included is of course effects of the choices you've made during the
games, showing the geth and quarian rebuilding if you reunited them, the
quarians rebuilding if you saved the quarians and destroyed the geth
for example. What happens to the characters we have gotten to know over
the course of the games would of course help with closure, showing Wrex
rebuildning Tuchanka, the opening of the Mordin Solus memorial
laboratory at Sur'Kesh University and so on, all modulated by how you
acted in relation to each character of course. The important thing about
the endings would be that with enough effort put in we should be able
to do the thing we want, save the universe we have come to love, with
mass relays and all, with all the destruction the reapers have caused it
is still not a unicorn and butterflies ending.



I am of course aware that there are people who enjoy the current endings
and as much as I disagree with them I wouldn't want to take away their
enjoyment, so I feel that any fix you do should be made so that either
it is an optional dowload or you are given a choice upon starting a new
game wether you want the original or the new endings.



Looking at your history I believe you are able to fix this and I hope you will.

Quite surprised at myself I didn't even use the phrase I used a thousand or so pages back "Clarifying the current endings would be a lot like watching Star Wars episode one with director's commentary, still bad, but with the additional pain of being talked at by someone who actually thought it was a good idea."

[imelik]

Mortensus wrote...
 i m not sure if the people are stoping to care about it is worst for the retake mass effect mvmt or bioware ...

Hehe, if people stop caring, it will hurt the Retake a bit, but i don't think that it can be compared to how much, at least potentially, it could end up hurting BioWare. They way  i see it is that if you don't care anymore, you also will not buy future BioWare games, nor tell your friends about how great BioWare is and how awesome their games are. So i do think that it would be worse for them, and not us.

[silencemayday]

KRAETZNER wrote...

So in other words we've cut a wire, and now we have to wait to see if the bomb will detonate or not.

pretty much. 

did i ever mention that i hate waiting games? i did, didn't i? 
let's just say it again: i hate waiting. i really, with all my heart- hate waiting for something to happen. 
i'm a rather impatient person. 

[chujwamdotego]

And guys try to remember that Dr. Muzyka said "april", not PAX.

We may get nothing at PAX, because it is too early for Bioware to reveal plans.

From the start we knew this would be long haul. Loosing faith won't bring us any closer to our aim.

Holding the line cost us nothing but some time and some engagement. It is not a big price to see that our pleas result in new endings.

Modifié par chujwamdotego, 26 mars 2012 - 09:30 .

[TamiBx]

chujwamdotego wrote...

And guys try to remember that Dr. Muzyka said "april", not PAX.

We may get nothing at PAX, because it is too early for Bioware to reveal plans.

From the start we knew this would be long haul. Loosing faith won't bring us any closer to our aim.

Holding the line cost us nothing but some time and some engagement. It is not a big price to see that our pleas result in new endings.

But I highly they will be able to keep the conversation away from the ending and its problems. Seriously. No one in their right state of mind would let this perfect opportunity to ask questions directly slip away. 

[KaiserinKai]

chujwamdotego wrote...

And guys try to remember that Dr. Muzyka said "april", not PAX.

We may get nothing at PAX, because it is too early for Bioware to reveal plans.

From the start we knew this would long haul. Loosing faith won't bring us closer to our aim.

Holding the line cost us nothing but some time and some engagement. It is not a big price to see that our pleas result in new endings.

Thing is, if they don't answer us by PAX, the whole panel is going to be people asking about the endings...

...I almost feel sorry for the Bioware staff who are going to be there.

[chujwamdotego]

KaiserinKai wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

And guys try to remember that Dr. Muzyka said "april", not PAX.

We may get nothing at PAX, because it is too early for Bioware to reveal plans.

From the start we knew this would long haul. Loosing faith won't bring us closer to our aim.

Holding the line cost us nothing but some time and some engagement. It is not a big price to see that our pleas result in new endings.

Thing is, if they don't answer us by PAX, the whole panel is going to be people asking about the endings...

...I almost feel sorry for the Bioware staff who are going to be there.

Well - they made the mess and they have to deal with consequences

[KRAETZNER]

KaiserinKai wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

And guys try to remember that Dr. Muzyka said "april", not PAX.

We may get nothing at PAX, because it is too early for Bioware to reveal plans.

From the start we knew this would long haul. Loosing faith won't bring us closer to our aim.

Holding the line cost us nothing but some time and some engagement. It is not a big price to see that our pleas result in new endings.

Thing is, if they don't answer us by PAX, the whole panel is going to be people asking about the endings...

...I almost feel sorry for the Bioware staff who are going to be there.

Feel no mercy... do not hesitate.. only then can your transformation to a new ending be complete.

[silencemayday]

chujwamdotego wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

And guys try to remember that Dr. Muzyka said "april", not PAX.

We may get nothing at PAX, because it is too early for Bioware to reveal plans.

From the start we knew this would long haul. Loosing faith won't bring us closer to our aim.

Holding the line cost us nothing but some time and some engagement. It is not a big price to see that our pleas result in new endings.

Thing is, if they don't answer us by PAX, the whole panel is going to be people asking about the endings...

...I almost feel sorry for the Bioware staff who are going to be there.

Well - they made the mess and they have to deal with consequences

also, don't forget: they're getting paid for it as well!

[Mortensus]

i just hope the journalists/delegations of players at PAX will be more renegade than paragons lol

Modifié par Mortensus, 26 mars 2012 - 09:35 .

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Hold the line!

[Namz89]

Also, we can't get the refund we want
I asked at the (german division of) Amazon, and they denied the rumor of offering refunds.
If I was that unsatisfied by the product, I should contact the publisher/studio - that's what they told me.