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#62151
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TamiBx wrote...

 So, I was talking to a friend who hasn't played ME at all, and he asked me if I had liked the ending. Apparently he heard about people disliking it, so I explained the whole situation to him (kind of felt sorry, because once you mention ME3 and ending, I seem to not be able to be quiet until I have pointed out every single problem with it) and he completely agrees with us.
Then he said he was thinking about playing ME, but now won't until the ending is fixed :)


I've been recommmending the game to everyone.  BUT, ive been directing to buy used and, for the love of god, DONT play the final mission..

lol

There's a couple copies on their way to afghanistan now, for friends on tour.  I havent been able to warn them yet, and somehow, I feel horrible about that  -_-

#62152
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TamiBx wrote...

 So, I was talking to a friend who hasn't played ME at all, and he asked me if I had liked the ending. Apparently he heard about people disliking it, so I explained the whole situation to him (kind of felt sorry, because once you mention ME3 and ending, I seem to not be able to be quiet until I have pointed out every single problem with it) and he completely agrees with us.
Then he said he was thinking about playing ME, but now won't until the ending is fixed :)


I already talked at least three people out of buying it until BW fixes the ending. I also overhead someone at a certain store actually talking a customer out of buying it...the customer wanted to get into the series after ME2 and purchase ME and ME3 to play all the way through. Lol. That sucks!

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#62153
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TamiBx wrote...

 So, I was talking to a friend who hasn't played ME at all, and he asked me if I had liked the ending. Apparently he heard about people disliking it, so I explained the whole situation to him (kind of felt sorry, because once you mention ME3 and ending, I seem to not be able to be quiet until I have pointed out every single problem with it) and he completely agrees with us.
Then he said he was thinking about playing ME, but now won't until the ending is fixed :)



a freind asked me about it today he was going to buy all 3 and all dlc as i'd talked the games up
had to tell him to hold off for a bit as the ending was < insert apropriate word>

#62154
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Hi Tami! /wave

any news today?

#62155
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The Wall Street Journal weighs in: Why the Ending of Mass Effect 3 Started a Furor

Overall, not so bad. Some interesting insights, but (compared to Forbes, for example) fairly poor research on the real issues behind the protests.

Poor research or no, it's amazing that we've made the Wall Street Journal! That definitly goes into the "win" catagory for us.

Hold the line guys!

True. And it's definitely a deeper look into what's behind all this than I've seen elsewhere.

He makes some points I've not seen other journalists make, particularly this one: The ending is so jarring in part because video games are inherently about bringing your character back to life when you fail and playing over and over until you WIN.

Winning doesn't have to be about everyone living to fight another day, but it does have to feel like a victory on a level the player can internalize. This is what distinuishes video games from novels and movies. Embedded in the idea of a "game" is the concept of winning and losing. As you begin to understand the rules of th game, you know that if you play it often enough, you will win.

There is a huge level of cognitive dissonance between that and the idea of a static narrative offered up solely as a creative work for consumption by a passive audience. When we read a novel or watch a movie, we understand that we are spectators only. While we can certainly become immersed in a well-written story, play, or movie, there is no direct participation.

But more importantly, I'm realizing now, a game is not just a multimedia interactive novel in which we can explore branching narrative variants the author has given us. We play because we know we can eventually reach a satisfying conclusion -- we can "beat the game." All our careful attention to gathering up each resource and conquering each foe -- unlocking all those doors -- gets us to a Final Door behind which is the grand prize for succeeding.

In ME3, we expectantly open that last door and promptly receive a bullet through the temple.

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Snuppledink wrote...

I was thinking about other games with similar endings to ME3. Is it me or does anyone else see a resemblance to the endings of Deus Ex Human Revolution?

Probably just me...

For those who played Deus Ex Human Revolution, did you like those endings?

=S=


*SPOILERS FOR THIS GAME*

The DS:HR endings mirror these only in the 3 choices aspect. It's not like they are out of left field either, they're not even suprising really. The AI (Fox News), which has been previously introduced and explained, just asks you what kind of PR Spin you'd like to put on the events of the game. (Comedy 4th, BLOW UP THE STATION option excluded) Also, you totally live through most of them and it's not like they are all really distasteful choices.

Also, you are told what happens afterwards. Not the BEST epilogues but still perfectly servicable and significantly better than ME3's.

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xHezz90 wrote...

SSV Auckland reporting in.

Any news? (though I doubt it)

Also to anyone who was here when I was on last, sorry for being a complete downer. Wasn't feeling quite myself, but I'm back!

Holding the line :-)


welcome back :) 
and hey, don't worry about it. i do know the feeling, but you weren't a downer at all. 

but, if you ever need someone to rant to or talk to, i'm pretty much always here. :) 

ontopic: anyone got any suggestions for the letter? it's kind of getting out of hand again.. 

#62158
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Hi Tami! /wave

any news today?


Hello~
Nothing new, but this is something good to read http://blogs.wsj.com...tarted-a-furor/

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TamiBx wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

@TamiBx

Hi Tami! /wave

any news today?


Hello~
Nothing new, but this is something good to read http://blogs.wsj.com...tarted-a-furor/


I read that shortly after I posted...we made Wall Street Journal. we got this guys keep holding the line :D

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SkaldFish wrote...
*snip*

In ME3, we expectantly open that last door and promptly receive a bullet through the temple.



Yes. This. This is how I feel. Why would I play a game where my character is going to die no matter what I do? Sure, sacrifice ending is awesome, but I want a living ending too. :pinched:

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Lord Costantino wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

@TamiBx

Hi Tami! /wave

any news today?


Hello~
Nothing new, but this is something good to read http://blogs.wsj.com...tarted-a-furor/

I read that shortly after I posted...we made Wall Street Journal. we got this guys keep holding the line :D


The Wall Street Journal, I don't believe it?

Modifié par ziyon conqueror, 27 mars 2012 - 12:58 .


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Hey guys!! There's a lot more pages here than when I last checked in. I had to kind of take a step back from here for a bit as constantly hammering F5 on BSN was seriously hampering my productivity. One of the things I did was record a podcast with a guy who actually didn't mind the ending of Mass Effect 3. It was...fascinating to hear him talk about it. But I digress...

What's been happening? Is the story about sending Bioware hundreds of cupcakes true? Please tell me its true!

#62163
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jerobolod wrote...

Hey guys!! There's a lot more pages here than when I last checked in. I had to kind of take a step back from here for a bit as constantly hammering F5 on BSN was seriously hampering my productivity. One of the things I did was record a podcast with a guy who actually didn't mind the ending of Mass Effect 3. It was...fascinating to hear him talk about it. But I digress...

What's been happening? Is the story about sending Bioware hundreds of cupcakes true? Please tell me its true!


lol its genius

http://bitscreed.com...upcake-cascade/

#62164
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TamiBx wrote...

SkaldFish wrote...
*snip*

In ME3, we expectantly open that last door and promptly receive a bullet through the temple.



Yes. This. This is how I feel. Why would I play a game where my character is going to die no matter what I do? Sure, sacrifice ending is awesome, but I want a living ending too. :pinched:


You know an ending where we were promised our choices, you know, mattered <_< In a game built on choices with cause and effect...

#62165
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silencemayday wrote...

welcome back :) 
and hey, don't worry about it. i do know the feeling, but you weren't a downer at all. 

but, if you ever need someone to rant to or talk to, i'm pretty much always here. :) 

ontopic: anyone got any suggestions for the letter? it's kind of getting out of hand again.. 


Aww well thanks, glad I wasn't being a downer lol.

As for the letter I wish I could help but mine probably just looked and sounded like babbling lol.

Also everyone, I've been playing ME1 and am happy to say I am actually enjoying playing it again, though sometimes when people mention things I start yelling at the TV :whistle:
Forgot how much I hate the Mako though, but I would have taken a million Mako missions in ME3 if it meant getting the endings we were promised!

#62166
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Lord Costantino wrote...

I read that shortly after I posted...we made Wall Street Journal. we got this guys keep holding the line :D


See, I just saw this. Haha. No idea who posted it (it was passed down from someone) 

Then...no news. Gotta wait for April :(

#62167
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toffeetrooper wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 So, I was talking to a friend who hasn't played ME at all, and he asked me if I had liked the ending. Apparently he heard about people disliking it, so I explained the whole situation to him (kind of felt sorry, because once you mention ME3 and ending, I seem to not be able to be quiet until I have pointed out every single problem with it) and he completely agrees with us.
Then he said he was thinking about playing ME, but now won't until the ending is fixed :)



a freind asked me about it today he was going to buy all 3 and all dlc as i'd talked the games up
had to tell him to hold off for a bit as the ending was < insert apropriate word>



Same here.
I already recommended ME1 and ME2 to two of my buddies from my former clan and a co-student at the university.
All three loved the games.
All three asked me about ME3 and told me how they saw the awesome trailers.
The two from my clan had pre-ordered ME3 before.
I told them what I thought of the game as it is now. Every true detail, no exaggeration and no downplay on the good parts of the game.
Of course I asked them if they would mind some spoilers, before, but they said if they were neccessary to make my point, I should go on.
One canceled his pre-order and won't get the game so far. One still bought the game. And my co-student isn't going to get the the game either.

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I really admire people who managed to write long meaningful letters today. I can't overcome a horror vacui, all I do is stare at the blank page, and it's not even march 26th here already.

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Keep seeing a new at&t add with Brandon Keener (Garrus) and i have to stop what im doing every time

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#62170
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Lord Costantino wrote...

You know an ending where we were promised our choices, you know, mattered <_< In a game built on choices with cause and effect...


That's what my friend was saying (he hasn't even played ME games). He wanted to play it because he heard that every decision you make matters, and that it branches out...then I had to break it to him that nothing matters...:unsure:

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WvStolzing wrote...

SkaldFish wrote...

(Apologies if already posted)


Great news! but I have a question:

Shouldn't we keep in mind that these articles (Forbes, WSJ) are appearing in blogs hosted on their respective websites? I mean, these aren't articles that will go into the print edition; and it doesn't seem like the publication itself is taking a stance.

Valid point -- they're not the same as articles that go into the print editions, and we should be careful to remember that distinction. However, large media organizations like Forbes and WSJ take their online content very seriously, and usually put it through an editorial review process similar to reviews for their print content. Look at the "About" widget on the WSJ page:

"Speakeasy is an online magazine covering media, entertainment, celebrity and the arts. The publication is produced by senior editor Christopher John Farley, Alexandra Cheney, Michelle Kung and Barbara Chai with contributions from the Wall Street Journal staff and others."

They're not kidding around. :)

Modifié par SkaldFish, 27 mars 2012 - 01:14 .


#62172
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ajunta_ wrote...

I really admire people who managed to write long meaningful letters today. I can't overcome a horror vacui, all I do is stare at the blank page, and it's not even march 26th here already.


I know.  I missed the letter campaign because I was still too angry to write a thoughtful letter, and now...I just can't think of anything concise and clear to say.  Either it will an exceedingly long letter that they will probably throw away, or I might as well just send a picture of me crying.

#62173
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Geinen wrote...

jerobolod wrote...

Hey guys!! There's a lot more pages here than when I last checked in. I had to kind of take a step back from here for a bit as constantly hammering F5 on BSN was seriously hampering my productivity. One of the things I did was record a podcast with a guy who actually didn't mind the ending of Mass Effect 3. It was...fascinating to hear him talk about it. But I digress...

What's been happening? Is the story about sending Bioware hundreds of cupcakes true? Please tell me its true!


lol its genius

http://bitscreed.com...upcake-cascade/


:pinched: can't believe I missed this! How did I miss this!? I'm on these forums nearly everyday...
*hides alcohol*

#62174
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TamiBx wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

You know an ending where we were promised our choices, you know, mattered <_< In a game built on choices with cause and effect...


That's what my friend was saying (he hasn't even played ME games). He wanted to play it because he heard that every decision you make matters, and that it branches out...then I had to break it to him that nothing matters...:unsure:


Yeah...I told one of my friends to not buy it either until they fix it and they do it right.

#62175
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Debi-Tage wrote...

Geinen wrote...

jerobolod wrote...

Hey guys!! There's a lot more pages here than when I last checked in. I had to kind of take a step back from here for a bit as constantly hammering F5 on BSN was seriously hampering my productivity. One of the things I did was record a podcast with a guy who actually didn't mind the ending of Mass Effect 3. It was...fascinating to hear him talk about it. But I digress...

What's been happening? Is the story about sending Bioware hundreds of cupcakes true? Please tell me its true!


lol its genius

http://bitscreed.com...upcake-cascade/


:pinched: can't believe I missed this! How did I miss this!? I'm on these forums nearly everyday...
*hides alcohol*


Day-um! Words cannot describe how awesome this is.