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#6201
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EJ107 wrote...

humes spork wrote...

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It would lead to a lot of Asari- and they have serious issues from inbreeding (look at the Ardat-Yakshi), so it may not be a good thing.


Yup, it'd end up being a planet full of blue-skinned people with oddly shaped heads and creepy eyes. And Liara's descendents.


Sad, but so true :P


I thought a plent of liaras would be a good thing  ;)

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There's a reason games like gears of war 3 ended more happily than they did bitter. Because only few want to follow all 3 chapters of a franchise only to have it end in tears. And gears doesn't have choice. ME having choice makes it completely unforgivable.

There is no obvious reward for your sacrifice in Mass Effect 3. The whole time the series has been teaching you to care about other races and now suddenly all that matters is earth's survival, all the people that helped you basically got screwed, including entire races, like the quarians, completely locked off from their home world.


Yeah ah, you dont think the quarians left some of their people on their homeworld before they send a war fleet to battle the reapers? That was the entire point of getting their world back, so non combatants can be put there.


And just how do you propose they get the required materials to rebuild their homeworld when they lost relay access? I guess we can hope the Geth have truely looked after the planet.

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Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

There's a reason games like gears of war 3 ended more happily than they did bitter. Because only few want to follow all 3 chapters of a franchise only to have it end in tears. And gears doesn't have choice. ME having choice makes it completely unforgivable.

There is no obvious reward for your sacrifice in Mass Effect 3. The whole time the series has been teaching you to care about other races and now suddenly all that matters is earth's survival, all the people that helped you basically got screwed, including entire races, like the quarians, completely locked off from their home world.


Yeah ah, you dont think the quarians left some of their people on their homeworld before they send a war fleet to battle the reapers? That was the entire point of getting their world back, so non combatants can be put there.


And just how do you propose they get the required materials to rebuild their homeworld when they lost relay access? I guess we can hope the Geth have truely looked after the planet.


Mining, hunting and farming would be my guess? And yeah the geth did look after Rannoch, it is in quite pristine condition.

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I can see the Relays Blowing up, but then the Reapers win. That is, unless BioWare wants to contradict itself. Have we already forgotten Arrival? That relay took out the entire system, hence the beginning of the game. Plus there's the lack of sound. Why would only video get captured for the leak?

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cerberus1701 wrote...

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Meh. You got the game for free.


If the conspiracy theorists are to be believed, then you only got "half" of the endings, all of which paint a dark and grim ending instead of the "full experience" just because the company wanted to spite potential pirates and NDA breakers rather than actually reward you.



Well, since I know (and we have seen here) that people wipe their backsides with NDAs it's what I'd do with the game.


Again, it really comes down to which is more believable:

The fact that BioWare/EA/whomever decided "Hey, let's release an incomplete product that, if leaked, will surely ****** people off, but that's okay because we'll have taught people that piracy is wrong!" or the fact that they just wrote a poor script, "marketed" (read: lied through their teeth) it, and probably didn't expect this level of backlash prior to launch.

Again, what possible purpose does it serve to generate negative pre-release buzz over positive buzz? It only stands to hurt them. If piracy is, as you suggest, inevitable, why wouldn't they acknowledge this as a fact and make sure that, when it did got leaked, people spoke highly about it? That it included at least one happy ending, or more than Zaeed-esque dialogue? Why would they reward contest "winners" with a crappy version of the product? At what stage does teaching a few individuals a lesson about piracy trump actually successfully marketing a product?

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I still find it funny they would do something like this after the backlash with Dragon Age 2. You'd think they would be very careful to make everything about Mass Effect 3 as good as possible with many different outcomes based on everything you've done over the series. I imagine DA2 and the crappy endings of ME3 will cause them to lose a lot of customers.

I know if these really are all we get I'm done with Bioware. Unless their new games get amazing reviews from most players, then I may pick up a used copy of them.

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Armass81 wrote...

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

There's a reason games like gears of war 3 ended more happily than they did bitter. Because only few want to follow all 3 chapters of a franchise only to have it end in tears. And gears doesn't have choice. ME having choice makes it completely unforgivable.

There is no obvious reward for your sacrifice in Mass Effect 3. The whole time the series has been teaching you to care about other races and now suddenly all that matters is earth's survival, all the people that helped you basically got screwed, including entire races, like the quarians, completely locked off from their home world.


Yeah ah, you dont think the quarians left some of their people on their homeworld before they send a war fleet to battle the reapers? That was the entire point of getting their world back, so non combatants can be put there.


And just how do you propose they get the required materials to rebuild their homeworld when they lost relay access? I guess we can hope the Geth have truely looked after the planet.


Mining, hunting and farming would be my guess? And yeah the geth did look after Rannoch, it is in quite pristine condition.


And actually he is right about that. Read the locations thing on the ME3 website.

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All fanning the flames aside, people should stop setting themselves up for hopes of having more endings.

This is what BioWare wanted to do with the story. It's not what you wanted, it's not even necessarily what I wanted, but it's a wrap and contrary to what some people say, it makes sense in the theme and mood of the game.

Learn to deal with it or do not shill out money for it. Vote with your wallets if you don't like it. I do like the endings, though I can understand the disgruntled people who wanted a happy ending.

You can't always get what you want Shep. ;)

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GBGriffin wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Meh. You got the game for free.


If the conspiracy theorists are to be believed, then you only got "half" of the endings, all of which paint a dark and grim ending instead of the "full experience" just because the company wanted to spite potential pirates and NDA breakers rather than actually reward you.

   


The endings are real and the facts back it up

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Sia_Sinblade wrote...

All fanning the flames aside, people should stop setting themselves up for hopes of having more endings.

This is what BioWare wanted to do with the story. It's not what you wanted, it's not even necessarily what I wanted, but it's a wrap and contrary to what some people say, it makes sense in the theme and mood of the game.

Learn to deal with it or do not shill out money for it. Vote with your wallets if you don't like it. I do like the endings, though I can understand the disgruntled people who wanted a happy ending.

You can't always get what you want Shep. ;)

What exactly would be the point of telling people, "Oh it's your story, you write it yourself." then?

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CerberusSoldier wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Meh. You got the game for free.


If the conspiracy theorists are to be believed, then you only got "half" of the endings, all of which paint a dark and grim ending instead of the "full experience" just because the company wanted to spite potential pirates and NDA breakers rather than actually reward you.

   


The endings are real and the facts back it up


Your point being? Seeing as you quoted someone who does not question the validity of the endings?

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BigGuy28 wrote...

I still find it funny they would do something like this after the backlash with Dragon Age 2. You'd think they would be very careful to make everything about Mass Effect 3 as good as possible with many different outcomes based on everything you've done over the series. I imagine DA2 and the crappy endings of ME3 will cause them to lose a lot of customers.

I know if these really are all we get I'm done with Bioware. Unless their new games get amazing reviews from most players, then I may pick up a used copy of them.

@ GBGriffin

And there is a small loophole for the optimists out there. Maybe they'd already had much of the script before they truly realized that backlash from DA2, so changed it, and just kept the absolute crap they already had.

As for the 'bad buzz' thing- When your goal is to make money, all buzz is good buzz. They have created increased interest, as evidenced bythis forum, which has grown by 5 pages in the last 30 minutes or so.

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CerberusSoldier wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Meh. You got the game for free.


If the conspiracy theorists are to be believed, then you only got "half" of the endings, all of which paint a dark and grim ending instead of the "full experience" just because the company wanted to spite potential pirates and NDA breakers rather than actually reward you.

   


The endings are real and the facts back it up


...That's what I'm arguing.

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Johnnycide wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

All fanning the flames aside, people should stop setting themselves up for hopes of having more endings.

This is what BioWare wanted to do with the story. It's not what you wanted, it's not even necessarily what I wanted, but it's a wrap and contrary to what some people say, it makes sense in the theme and mood of the game.

Learn to deal with it or do not shill out money for it. Vote with your wallets if you don't like it. I do like the endings, though I can understand the disgruntled people who wanted a happy ending.

You can't always get what you want Shep. ;)

What exactly would be the point of telling people, "Oh it's your story, you write it yourself." then?

Getting people to buy the game.

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Johnnycide wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

All fanning the flames aside, people should stop setting themselves up for hopes of having more endings.

This is what BioWare wanted to do with the story. It's not what you wanted, it's not even necessarily what I wanted, but it's a wrap and contrary to what some people say, it makes sense in the theme and mood of the game.

Learn to deal with it or do not shill out money for it. Vote with your wallets if you don't like it. I do like the endings, though I can understand the disgruntled people who wanted a happy ending.

You can't always get what you want Shep. ;)

What exactly would be the point of telling people, "Oh it's your story, you write it yourself." then?


Oh geelouise...you never wrote your "OWN" story in Mass Effect. You wrote variations of BioWare's story. 

And you do exactly the same thing here.

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cerberus1701 wrote...

So it's perfectly reasonable to believe that the crew wouldn't be separated for long.


Well, not really. The Normandy went into FTL at a vaguely-specified heading for an unspecified amount of time, and got its flight disrupted by BAYSPLOSIONS. The very fact it came out within drifting distance of a star, let alone one with a habitable world, has such astronominal odds that even having that occur is an invocation of Plot Armor of the highest-possible level. And let's face it, the galactic community has way higher priorities than going on a wild goose chase for a ship and crew they have no reason whatsoever to believe even survived.

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Johnnycide wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

All fanning the flames aside, people should stop setting themselves up for hopes of having more endings.

This is what BioWare wanted to do with the story. It's not what you wanted, it's not even necessarily what I wanted, but it's a wrap and contrary to what some people say, it makes sense in the theme and mood of the game.

Learn to deal with it or do not shill out money for it. Vote with your wallets if you don't like it. I do like the endings, though I can understand the disgruntled people who wanted a happy ending.

You can't always get what you want Shep. ;)

What exactly would be the point of telling people, "Oh it's your story, you write it yourself." then?


Because people love to say one thing and do another

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It becomes more and more clear BW deliberately decided on the gimmick approach this time around - with Kinnect and multi player moved the franchise away for the personal experience each of us experience in our own way. Their entire efforts were the Kinnect and Multi as opposed to quality writing or the personal experience that made the Mass Effect series what it has become. The endings seem so contrived and pointless as to defy even SF logic and more magical/fantasy than the rest of the ME series even in fantasy there are loose rules that make sense in that type series.

Yet BW says folks loved the endings - now that is definitely fantasy. Otherwise why is this thread so full of so many who hate what YOU produced BW? Maybe you all aught to try answering that question because here in the real world you get the bitter truth and not some in house truth produced by a bunch of lap dogs.

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Bebbe777 wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

All fanning the flames aside, people should stop setting themselves up for hopes of having more endings.

This is what BioWare wanted to do with the story. It's not what you wanted, it's not even necessarily what I wanted, but it's a wrap and contrary to what some people say, it makes sense in the theme and mood of the game.

Learn to deal with it or do not shill out money for it. Vote with your wallets if you don't like it. I do like the endings, though I can understand the disgruntled people who wanted a happy ending.

You can't always get what you want Shep. ;)

What exactly would be the point of telling people, "Oh it's your story, you write it yourself." then?


Because people love to say one thing and do another


Surprise! All the devs are politicians. lol

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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Reives wrote...

*puts on monocle*

http://en.wikipedia....bler-Ross_model
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance 
We've pretty much seen every one of those here already, even bargaining

Obviously you have never seen real death in real ife - however you appear to be an expert on video game death.  That's really, really nice on paper - but here in the real world it doesn't work like that. Even terminal cancer patients are nowhere near this garbage you posted.


Did you have a poor experience with a bad grief councillor?


Please STOP. WTH?
Actually I'm fighting a stage 4 cancer and there is a chance that ME3 will be my last game. I liked the ME1 and ME2, cause they were as my own fight -against all odds. Please, don't ever,EVER joke about grief. I know you all were probably just goofing around, but somehow it just touched a string in me. And regarding the end of ME3 - I still have hope it won't be so bad :)

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i just don't understand, if mass relays explode, wouldn't that mean that every star system with relay in it would be destroyed, just like in arrival dlc????

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albertalad wrote...

It becomes more and more clear BW deliberately decided on the gimmick approach this time around - with Kinnect and multi player moved the franchise away for the personal experience each of us experience in our own way. Their entire efforts were the Kinnect and Multi as opposed to quality writing or the personal experience that made the Mass Effect series what it has become. The endings seem so contrived and pointless as to defy even SF logic and more magical/fantasy than the rest of the ME series even in fantasy there are loose rules that make sense in that type series.

Yet BW says folks loved the endings - now that is definitely fantasy. Otherwise why is this thread so full of so many who hate what YOU produced BW? Maybe you all aught to try answering that question because here in the real world you get the bitter truth and not some in house truth produced by a bunch of lap dogs.


Because probably no BSN members were at those playsessions? ;)

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fresh101 wrote...

i just don't understand, if mass relays explode, wouldn't that mean that every star system with relay in it would be destroyed, just like in arrival dlc????


IKR!!!

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Could someone post/PM me the video links for the endings?

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aem, try page 247, 248.