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[Matt_gekko88]

http://twitter.com/#...426281243377665

Maybe we should get him a blue-green-red Isetta...
that would work.

Modifié par Matt_gekko88, 27 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[Ender99]

MeldarthX wrote...

http://social.biowar.../3414959/polls/


ROTFLMAO!!!!

I want the Marauder Shields cake!!

[-Kysi-]

God,....I'm finally able to join! Never thought I'd see the day.
Hold the line brothers and sisters!

Btw, this
doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-tolkein-and-your-bullshit-artistic-process/
is a wonderful read!

I still can't wrap my head around why they didn't stick to the original dark energy plot....

[Ksandor]

DJBare wrote...

Just stumbled on this in another thread on these forums,
Reaping the Harvest of Poor Choices
It's quite a read.

This is the most cool headed and concrete review I ever read. Thanks for sharing the link.


"...Topping all of this is off, the entire affair seems to be a vain attempt at symbolism ala the similarly jarring conclusion to 2001: A Space Odyssey rather than offering even the minutest form of concrete closure. As there is no novel to turn to that explains what they were trying to attain and the steaming mess that exists is as disconnected from sense as it is, the endeavor rings hollow as metaphor.

To quote Roger Ebert for a moment: “If you have to ask what it symbolizes, it didn’t.” This conclusion is on the short list for “things that ruin dreams”, right up there with “discovering that Santa isn’t real because your dad dressed up like him and died” and actually manages to steal the disappointment crown from Lost. It’s bad enough that fans have formed a protest group against it, complete with a conspiracy theory and memetic hero trumpeting their cause: forcing BioWare to change the ending. 

Normally, I’d find it wrong to support consumer demand altering authorial intent just to fit the vociferous opinion. Except in this case, the authors simply aren’t justified by the “statement” made. Asidefrom being a hackneyed mess of bad ideas running counter to everything this series has stood for, the sheer tonal shift prevents absorption for someone paying attention the inability to convey intent is the definition of failed art.

For anyone with perspective, I know I’m belaboring a point – a bad ending can ruin all, from prose to play – but the sad fact is: no other professional review of Mass Effect 3 factored this ending into their universally positive ratings for the game, even though many acknowledged it as a problem. Not being one to claim conspiracy is to blame, I’d rather point to the more obvious culprit: ineptitude. A critic that can’t realize that narrative is often as important as gameplay – especially in an RPG – and that poorly constructed endings tarnish narrative quality. especially as it is the last thing the audience sees – is a poor critic indeed. 

The gestalt of Mass Effect 3is an end unjustified by its means, unworthy of defense. During its final moments it commits storytelling suicide, and the taste of decay it leaves in the mouth cripples the otherwise impeccable quality of what came before, poisoning even nostalgia against it. At best and being fairto the game’s other traits, the quality comes out a wash – simply mediocre.

Casey Hudson, the Director of the Mass Effect series, said in a recent interview that he wanted the endings to be “memorable.” I think he succeeded. We will remember it, nay, we need to remember it. After all, those who forget the history of bad ideas are doomed to repeat them."

Indeed. Maybe Bioware should trust professional reviewers in future.

Modifié par Ksandor, 27 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[LethesDeep]

Plummy wrote...

http://www.escapistm...ets-An-Ending.2

Don't know if it's already been posted but.........

Just read this from Yahtzee over in the escapist and i will let you lot make up your own minds from what he says in his extras bit. He does touch on the whole closure issue with a set of still's (like the endings in DA:O) but doesn't think we deserver the endings to be re-written........ makes me wonder if has looked at the Indoc Theory stuff currently bouncing around all over the place.

Oh and also Moviebob has done something about the whole ME3 ending stuff as well on the escapist and i'm sure he will insult our intelligence levels about this whole thing and call us a bunch off whiny children.

Still havent seen much in the way of news about the Cupcakes from the people over at IGN and Penny Arcade.

Yatzhee has never seemed to care about Mass Effect too much, so his article was no surprise. HIs article is of no consequence because it's a "I respectfully disagree" article (well, as respectful as he gets). MovieBob, on the other hand, clearly hasn't done much research. Though really, this also isn't surprising; he constantly forgets games don't work like movies, thinks Uncharted is the best story the Western world could create for this medium, and has weird ideas about the "risks" of consuming (In short, you paid for it, deal with it). Thankfully, the comments are ripping him to shreds.

IGN and PA are staying quiet because we've dismantled all their arguments so far; they're trying to think of some way to continue to counter us in a respectful manner without devolving into using ad homine- oh, wait.

[Nayt Navare]

stucksuburbanite wrote...

Random side note: I just started my femShep playthrough on ME3 and her name is Lola . . . was unaware that Vega called Shepard that. Now the whole "you look like a Lola" thing is weird.

lolz

[cyrrant]

So my friend just finished, and he liked the endings, but from what he's saying I don't think he's really thought about them that much. In fact, he may have only watched one of the endings so far and not bothered to look into it any further. Can we get a pool going for how long it is until he cracks?

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[Matt_gekko88]

Noo Marauder-Shields cake.

They would die out of pure awesomeness (and too high blood cholesterol level).

[MeldarthX]

StRaioh wrote...

I finally can post to here. Lurking for... an eternity now. Since the thread started.

Brazilian Countryside Riflemen, holding the line!

*Hands you a rifle* welcome - bar is over there; well stocked - I've tested it - Krogans are still ****ing about there's no nuggets.......though I heard rumors they are looking to make some so becareful; and pizza is ordered......make sure to get some before the Krograns...

They sure do like beer and pizza


HOLD THE LINE

[Bubi7]

Ksandor wrote...
They can't make money by alienating their customers and destroying customer loyalty. In business world new fans are not enough for steady business and income. You can't dare to lose your established customer base. So if they don't care people like me will find another company to buy games and Bioware/EA will lose profit. It is their choice.

You just hit the nail on its nose.. or head
Just look at other companies, let's take a car manufacturer at example:
There are always people who will stick to their car brand, not only because their product is superior to others, also because they like how they are making the car, its design and technology. These people will stick on buying these cars. Now if such a company makes horrible mistakes (not speaking about simple recalls because some electronics ain't working - noone is perfect) their reputation is badly damaged. Now if long-term fans and followers don't want such cars anymore, even other, new potential customers refrain from buying, too.
So in the long term they are even more damaged.
It doesn't take much imagination to reflect that onto the gaming industry....
tldr: if there are long term fans turning away from a company, new ones will most certainly do so, too.

[HITMAN629]

cyrrant wrote...

So my friend just finished, and he liked the endings, but from what he's saying I don't think he's really thought about them that much. In fact, he may have only watched one of the endings so far and not bothered to look into it any further. Can we get a pool going for how long it is until he cracks?

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

I think the less you are invested in the games, the more you like the ending. So how invested is he?

[gabbie]

[quote]MeldarthX wrote...

[quote]chujwamdotego wrote...

Earlier today MeldarthX wrote...

They failed on that exacution though - one of
the biggest reasons; Ipad app - that app should of been on all
platforms; not just Ipad - they had several things you could do on it.  Messages from LI after the game ended which hints your alive and in the hospital. 
Almost no one saw them though.  PR did what they could through Twitter -
but honestly that app could of been used for so much more PR - more
hints - it would of been able to somewhat hold back the tide.

If I read it correctly and this is true - and I have no reason to belive otherwise - then maybe Bioware has this thing planned from the beginning.


[/quote]

Re: "Messages from LI after the game ended which hints your alive and in the hospital"

Sorry, am I missing something here? Is this what happened on the ipad app or what someone thinks should have happened?!!?

[Al-Qiliqi]

I Just wanted to say, that you are all doing a great job! Keep holding the line!

[Ohpus]

Spartas Husky wrote...

jonal11 wrote...

My main Shepard was 95% renegade 5% paragon.

wow u crazy. mine is ... well role playing. 75% paragon, 25% renegade.

My Femshep seems to be 60% Paragon and 40% PMS.

" Common emotional and non-specific symptoms include stress, anxiety, difficulty in falling asleep (insomnia), headache, fatigue, mood swings, increased emotional sensitivity, and changes in libido.[3] "

This is going by the Wikipedia definition based on in-game choices made. No offense intended to RL women.

[LethesDeep]

OK, I said give me a couple of hours and I'd get this all worked out; it ain't perfect, but here it is. For those of you who don't understand this, we got into a Pinky and the Brain / Mass Effect crossover... thing.. around page 2521.

Phoenix NL wrote...

What shall we do tonight Harby?
The same thing we do every night Sovereign, try to get rid of Shepard and take over the galaxy! Mwuhahahahaha!

"They're Harby and the Sov, They're Harby and the Sov. One is a genius, the other's debris. They're ships with no hearts, People are their parts. They're crazy. They're Harby and the Sov, Sov, Sov, Sov, Sov, Sov, Sov, Sov ereign.

Before the cycle's done, their plan will be unfurled, by the darkening of sun, they'll goo-ify your world.

They're Harby and the Sov. Yes, Harby and the Sov. Their genocide campaign, is tricky to explain. To prove their robo worth, they'll burn down the earth. They're crazy. They're Harby and the Sov, Sov, Sov, Sov, Sov, Sov, Sov, Sov EREIGN."

[MeldarthX]

cyrrant wrote...

So my friend just finished, and he liked the endings, but from what he's saying I don't think he's really thought about them that much. In fact, he may have only watched one of the endings so far and not bothered to look into it any further. Can we get a pool going for how long it is until he cracks?

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

Can our pool include - is he drunk?  If not; why not?    

I give him 15 hours - more or less for the questions to start to be asked; doesn't matter if he asks them or if *hints* you do........also remember.......this will be a very trying time...

bust out either the emergancy case of the good beer - or whiskey.......

[Spartas Husky]

Ohpus wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

jonal11 wrote...

My main Shepard was 95% renegade 5% paragon.

wow u crazy. mine is ... well role playing. 75% paragon, 25% renegade.

My Femshep seems to be 60% Paragon and 40% PMS.

" Common emotional and non-specific symptoms include stress, anxiety, difficulty in falling asleep (insomnia), headache, fatigue, mood swings, increased emotional sensitivity, and changes in libido.[3] "

hahahahaha. man I laughed hard when Ir ead this one lol.

golden star to u:wizard:
This is going by the Wikipedia definition based on in-game choices made. No offense intended to RL women.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 27 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[DJBare]

Ksandor wrote...

Casey Hudson, the Director of the Mass Effect
series, said in a recent interview that he wanted the endings to be
“memorable.” I think he succeeded. We will remember it, nay, we need to remember it. After all, those who forget the history of bad ideas are doomed to repeat them."

It is unfortunate that no matter what, the endings will be memorable!, even if Bioware manages by some miracle add to the endings and satisfy most of the 80% fans, these endings will never be forgotten, it's scar they will carry for a long time.

[HITMAN629]

Al-Qiliqi wrote...

I Just wanted to say, that you are all doing a great job! Keep holding the line!

[Zwei133]

gabbie wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

Earlier today MeldarthX wrote...

They failed on that exacution though - one of
the biggest reasons; Ipad app - that app should of been on all
platforms; not just Ipad - they had several things you could do on it.  Messages from LI after the game ended which hints your alive and in the hospital. 
Almost no one saw them though.  PR did what they could through Twitter -
but honestly that app could of been used for so much more PR - more
hints - it would of been able to somewhat hold back the tide.

If I read it correctly and this is true - and I have no reason to belive otherwise - then maybe Bioware has this thing planned from the beginning.

Re: "Messages from LI after the game ended which hints your alive and in the hospital"

Sorry, am I missing something here? Is this what happened on the ipad app or what someone thinks should have happened?!!?

I have the app.  I have a note from my LI that corresponds to just before or just after the Cerberus Base mission (some comment about not getting sleep, reason unspecified).  Not one message implies anything about post-ending survival.

Can someone show an example?  I think I got cheated!

Modifié par Zwei133, 27 mars 2012 - 08:43 .

[MeldarthX]

[quote]gabbie wrote...

[quote]MeldarthX wrote...

[quote]chujwamdotego wrote...

Earlier today MeldarthX wrote...

They failed on that exacution though - one of
the biggest reasons; Ipad app - that app should of been on all
platforms; not just Ipad - they had several things you could do on it.  Messages from LI after the game ended which hints your alive and in the hospital. 
Almost no one saw them though.  PR did what they could through Twitter -
but honestly that app could of been used for so much more PR - more
hints - it would of been able to somewhat hold back the tide.

If I read it correctly and this is true - and I have no reason to belive otherwise - then maybe Bioware has this thing planned from the beginning.


[/quote]

Re: "Messages from LI after the game ended which hints your alive and in the hospital"

Sorry, am I missing something here? Is this what happened on the ipad app or what someone thinks should have happened?!!?

[/quote]


Any my point proven - on the ME3 app for Ipad - people reported getting messages from LI after they finished the game - it was all over BNS caused a lot of confusion - sec....

http://social.biowar...index/9901420/1

http://i1203.photobu...ics03/photo.png

As I said - seriously wasted and screwed up PR - if that has been on windows and android.......instead of 1% platform for their gamers - I don't we'd have this PR nightmare we are having now.......

[VonVerrikan]

Nobody really has an argument to use against us, though. I mean what are they saying? We're entitled? The game is art? Neither of those things address the massive problems that need fixing, nor do any counter-arguments address the problems all of us keep bringing up again and again.

My faith in humanity dims a little when people argue against a cause without even bothering to mention the actual problems we're bringing up in the first place.. they're just fighting us like it's the cool thing to do.

[Matt_gekko88]

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

[RatedRRachel]

Don't know if this has been posted, but I  <3 Forbes even more after this...

http://www.forbes.co...ss-effect-fans/

[MeldarthX]

Zwei133 wrote...

gabbie wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

Earlier today MeldarthX wrote...

They failed on that exacution though - one of
the biggest reasons; Ipad app - that app should of been on all
platforms; not just Ipad - they had several things you could do on it.  Messages from LI after the game ended which hints your alive and in the hospital. 
Almost no one saw them though.  PR did what they could through Twitter -
but honestly that app could of been used for so much more PR - more
hints - it would of been able to somewhat hold back the tide.

If I read it correctly and this is true - and I have no reason to belive otherwise - then maybe Bioware has this thing planned from the beginning.

Re: "Messages from LI after the game ended which hints your alive and in the hospital"

Sorry, am I missing something here? Is this what happened on the ipad app or what someone thinks should have happened?!!?

I have the app.  I have a note from my LI that corresponds to just before or just after the Cerberus Base mission (some comment about not getting sleep, reason unspecified).  Not one message implies anything about post-ending survival.

Can someone show an example?  I think I got cheated!

Did you choice Destroy for the first one and have enough EMS to get Shepard breath?